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turk
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 Posted - 23 May 2009 : 04:50:46
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What is the difference between you and me? Are you smarter? DId you read more? Do you have more educational background? Do you have Phd? DO you have more international experence? Do you have more life experience? Are african problems different from other third world countries? There are no books, articles information available to others on world/african issues? Is information only available to you? Why would you be more qualified than me on speaking on politics or african affairs? Oh, because you are african? Am I genetically not qualified to know about the issues on Africa? That is why you are more qualified? Did you know YOU are the major reason why africa is failing.
Instead of appreciating I am giving you my perspective which would be from another angle, you are getting personal.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 23 May 2009 04:57:30 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2009 : 14:33:39
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Originally posted by tamsier
Turk,
I see the argument for a mid-term Saharan Federation then ultimately a United States of America. However, there is somewhat a version of this in Africa e.g - the ECOWAS. I also aknowledge the fact that, African are perhaps the richest in terms of language - with their diverse languages. This shouldn't be viewed as a disadvantage but an advantage. After-all, several countries with different languages and culture sit on the UN.
Sorry I am lost in terms of language differences being advantage. What is the advantage of Gambia having several languages? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2009 : 15:34:43
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Turk
In general or in this context? |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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ebou4th
USA
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Posted - 23 May 2009 : 19:55:20
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Turk
To answer some of your questions; the difference between you and me is: I grew up in Africa, lived through the suffering, I have my entire family living in Africa, what happens in Africa directly affects me. This is exactly why you do not understand some of the stands that the Diaspora takes, unlike you I am an insider looking in.
I would love to know how I contributed to Africa’s falling. Do not make an allegation that you cannot back with facts; you are exposing you self. Please stay on the topic and answer the question.
Let’s keep it intellectual, when you make a statement please back it.
The bottom up approach cannot work in Africa because the people you are talking about do not have the resources, skills and education to uplift them selves to a higher standard of living. I do not know if you read and fully comprehend my article, the intent of the article was encouraging a radical new wave of thinking.
It is my belief that the Diaspora should start taking stock in Africa’s development but on the other hand African leaders should utilize the limited resources to uplift the people. Economics is the study of how society chooses to employ resources to produce goods and services and distribute them for consumption among various competing groups and individuals. If the limited resources are squandered by the leaders how will progress come by?
The bottom is in the pit and it is going to take serious changes in the attitudes of the fortunate and leadership to pull the bottom out of the pit.
Stay on the topic.
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“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2009 : 22:03:00
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Tamsier
In the context of Unity of Africa and development of Africa.
ebou
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I was staying on the topic, you are the one question my qualification as I was contributing to the topic. You did not stay on the topic. You change the topic from Africa to my qualification on providing opinion about Africa. You say you are 'insider'. Well I am outsider without the bias you would have. Diversity in debate would be a value. Your contribution not being open minded would be one reason Africa's failure. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 23 May 2009 22:34:16 |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2009 : 01:05:35
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Turk,
Tribalism is one of the great curses of Africa in this modern age, were everyone thinks that after independence, the other tribe has the lion share of the pie. In Africa, many tribes has their own language. To bring about unity, they must learned to appreciate and value each other. By learning from other people's experiences, language and tribal custom, they can move together as one. You have been to Gambia before and if you cared to observe properly, you will find that other tribes can speak another tribe's language and understand their customs. This is the reason why Gambia and Senegal have never had tribal genocide as you tend to see in other African countries. Yes! we do have some subtle tribal prejudices but they have never escalated to genocide - eventhough their are several different tribes in Senegambia. If it is good for UN to have people from different cultures and languages to sit on the UN why isn't good for Africa? |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2009 : 04:15:28
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First of all, I have no idea why you are comparing UN versus such African Union. UN is organization. Proposed African Union is a country. They are completely different.
You are telling me having multiple languages/ethnicity could be problematic. This is disadvantage. And you are giving an example where there was never genecide in Gambia due to multiple languages. So far you did not tell me any advantages of having multiple languages.
Having multiple languages has many disadvantages. What is the language of Education? What is the official languages where people get service from Government? TV? How do people learn languages academically? Who is going to finance the publication in different languages? How do people learn different languages? Medicine prescription? Street Names? These are all obstacles for unity. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 24 May 2009 04:17:22 |
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