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kondorong
Gambia
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 Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 21:30:56
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Am sorry Njuks but the constitution does indicate who is an adult and as such who is a consenting adult in a relationship. In effect, the constitution tells us who we can marry otherwise it is considered rape.
By the way, i have no political ambition. I am not saying that we cannot marry non Gambians but if you seek the highest office in the land, then you partner has to naturalised and become Gambian. That is still not requiring you to divorce him or her. By being a naturalised Gambian has no effcet on love. Love is personal. It makes no sense for the partner of the President to be seeking and applying for a visa like anyone else. That is a diplomatic crisies and there are legal issues involved. Who will ensure that the partner follows the law.
Why should one's partner refused to be identified with your people. The first family are in a priviledged postion that no other citizen enjoys and as such we can only accord such priviledges to gambians. We pay our taxes to provide for them and if anyone wants to to be part of that then you should be genuine enough to identify yourself with the Gambian people. To continue to maintain allegiance to another country while being priviledged to national security information and even influenec the what, when and how we live as gambians is certainly not acceptable.
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 21:37:06
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There is a reason why we call our selves independent. Sovereinty is at stake otherwise we should remove the borders change the constitution and allow any one to run for office. There are rights but there are responsibilities expected of citizens. Merely being born gambian does not and should not entitle you to do everything. Those rights must not encroach into the rights of others and exercising those rights must not deny me the right to exercise mine.
Just that. yaya is an exception because he rules by might.
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 21:39:01
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| Kondorong, let me say as Youssou Ndour says in on of his popular songs, "is true". |
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Edited by - bamba on 17 Apr 2006 21:41:28 |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 21:59:28
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 very convincing but i guess we will not agree on this one. my opinion doesnt count anyway.
having a nationality or passport does not guarantee true attachment to a country or its people, as this is also reversible later. you can, for example have a British passport( ) but associate yourself more with The Gambia. people who wish to engage in spying will do anyhow.
the evidence doesnt point to your arguments either, Senghore had a french wife i dont think that was a security threat! Krumah had an Egyptian wife and she wasnt a threat either. Mandela a Mozambican wife etc (not sure if they married whilst he was president)
anyway, i know you accept that the Rule of Law applies irrespective of nationality, so i dont see the emphasis.
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Edited by - njucks on 17 Apr 2006 22:01:24 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2006 : 22:53:14
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No your voice counts. In a democracy we argue for one purpose i believe. That is how we can improve our society and yours is as important as anyone else. Hopefully if you convince me, i will accept your ideas.
What is more important in a debate is to go there with an open mind and be prepared to see right when one is wrong. I strongly admire your debating spirit and this is what we need in parliament. I hope they see the spirit on the bantaba.
You see Knrummah was not seeing Ghana but Africa when he said in 1957 "... that the independenec of ghana is meaningless without the total liberation of Africa...". Ghana for Knrummah was Africa and untill his overthrow, every African was welcome and there were no restrictions, No IDs asked in Ghana. This was the main reason why he was overthrown because many were scared to share the wealth that Gahan had. He was spending public money for the cause of Africa union. This is in line with his believe and as such he married outside Ghana to proof that. In the case of Mandela, he married after his presidency i believe. he was dating her after divorce from Winie.
In the case of Senghore, he was a French not an African. Everything about him pointed to Paris. I know this will generate some response but the idea of Negritude never materialised under his rule in Senegal. You just need to look at public policy in Senegal to know that. Senegal is closer to France than any African country. Their lifestyle, customs and traditions have really evaporated. You will be suprised when you look at even local administrative structures.
So, evidence is really not pointing to what you are trying to let me believe.
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 18:33:38
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Hei maneh yaya is far worst than Idi Amin i could compare him with Hitler.
Lemon Time, Jammeh may be everything you want, but Hitler or Idi(ot) Amin - no, these were heavyweights. Compared to them Jammeh is still a flyweight. And I am sure Gambia will not allow him to promote to a higher weightclass, if this should be his ambition.
The problem with you Sagittariuses is your propensity to exaggerate. Didn't I, a clearminded Gemini, tell you five million times you should stop that?
By the way, did you know that on the 13th April the EU sent this to the Gambian government:
Declaration by the Presidency on behalf of the European Union on Gambia
The European Union (EU) strongly condemns the attempted coup to remove the government of The Gambia on 21 March. We reject any effort to overthrow a democratically elected government. We welcome the fact that the Gambian people responded with calm and restraint.
Whilst acknowledging the prerogative of the Gambian authorities fully to investigate the events surrounding the coup, we are concerned that some of those detained have been held without charge beyond the 72-hour limit required under Gambian Law. The EU urges the Gambian authorities to adhere to correct procedures and to respect the human rights of those detained, to disclose their place of detention and to ensure their safety and well-being as well as access to legal counsel.
The EU notes with concern that the Independent Newspaper was forced to close following the arrest of the Managing Director and Editor. We urge the Gambian authorities to clarify the reasons for this action and we remind them that respect for a free press, as part of the right to freedom of expression, is integral to ensuring that citizens can exercise their full democratic rights. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 00:47:03
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| Oh lol you Geminis are always off the topic.bravo sereTATA.laugh |
There is no god but Allah |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 08:09:02
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That EU statement is very interesting and sums up my concerns too.
Lemon tree. Serenata seems a typical Gemini...she can cope with the serious topic and the fun all in the same conversation!! |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 08:11:12
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| SORRY I mean Lemon time! not tree! |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 10:45:13
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| Its ok to call me lemon tree cause i nearly call u Britishbev and yea serenata is something else,after all we all love the gambia. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 12:00:16
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| These days I feel as if I belong half in England and half in Gambia! |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 14:00:09
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Originally posted by gambiabev
That EU statement is very interesting and sums up my concerns too. Lemon tree. Serenata seems a typical Gemini...she can cope with the serious topic and the fun all in the same conversation!!
You have a clear sight, Gambiabev  . And as I am a double Gemini (Sun and Ascendent in Gemini), my husband was very clever to marry me - he got 4 women at the price of one!
The EU statement makes me think, too. It is like an 'official' acknowledgement that something is severely going wrong in Gambia, but maybe this can be of help for the detained persons. |
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jambo
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Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 14:51:38
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| serenta, the information you gave abut the EU was very interesting, Can I visit the web page where that is printed. regards |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 16:38:14
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Sorry, I just looked at the EU page, but couldn't find it. Yesterday it was still among the press releases, but today - gone.
But you find a Word-document under: ue.eu.int/ueDocs/newsWord/en/cfsp/89238.doc |
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Momodou
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