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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 16 May 2008 : 11:26:36
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Originally posted by MeMe
Tamsier, I too found it a bit disappointing that the administrator didn't lock the topic after his/her own posting but allowed another post to appear - that's a bit one-sided (in my book).
Anyway, I've felt for a long while that there's no point in posting on this site anymore as it's not possible to have a meaningful discussion with people who have a it's black or white and no grey areas in between view on life ie they're right and you're wrong! Here's some of the things I'm talking about ....
- A survivor writes a book about her experiences and posters say it's been twisted for 'entertainment/sensationalism'.
- Someone starts a thread about under-age children being married of and posters start going on about a 'western' adult woman marrying a man who was I think more than 50 years older than her.
- Mention is made that there were (are?) Arab slave traders operating in Africa and lo we now see posts talking about UK/US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yes, all of the above are worthy of discussion by their own merits and that's what we should be doing ie can we discuss the likes of Sudan and Chad without resorting to name-calling, tit-for-tat postings, etc. The world is a frightening place and we all carry baggage from the past (and the present?)but surely the way forward for us all is communication? Without that we humans are totally doomed.
Please lets start 'talking' to each other with respect and an open mind.
Thanks!
OH YES LOTS OF DIVERSSITY! THEREFORE "COMMUNICATION; 'TALKING TO EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT AND AN OPEN MIND!", GOOD INTERACTIONS, EXCHANGES OF IDEAS, TO SHARE & LEARN FROM EACH OTHER.
Furthermore FOOD FOR THOUGHT & VERY APPROPRIATE UNDER CULTURAL FORUM:-
In a book on CULTURE, POLITICS, RACE & DIASPORA - courtesy of The Thought of Stuart Hall (Edited by Brian Meeks), these REASONINGS STATED ON THAT BOOK as quoted are very useful to us (for EDUCATIONAL/KNOWLEDGE PURPOSE);
"Cultural studies is to construct a political history of the present, and it does so in a particular way, a radically contextualists way.
Thus it seeks to avoid reproducing the very sort of universalisms (and essentialisms) that have, all too often, as the dominant practice of knowledge production, contributed to making the very relations of domination, inequality & suffering that cultural studies tries to opposed politically, analytically and strategically.
In other words, cultural studies as a project seeks practices capable of embracing complexity and contingency, and of avoiding any sort of reductionism"
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 May 2008 : 12:26:42
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Originally posted by Santanfara
no surprise there toubab. cus you will agree with the story that appeal to you. if any one wish to comment on issues be ready to be challenged. that doesn't mean contributors are harse or negative. it means we see things differently. we cannot change each other's way of analysing and seeing things. even gambians here don't agree so please ,carry on and post what you wish. expect counter arguements. all along i thought the westerners no that better.
inez, give us the title of the book. it doesn't matter whether it is written by a muslim or christain or dinka animist. there are opporutinist to cash in. is all recorded stories true, just because it is written in a book doesn't make it accurate. arab slave trader. or yes i heard that some were before..
Hahahahaahaha, my point exactly when it comes to the Bible, Koran and other such BOOKS!!!! How funny that you want it both ways ... |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 17 May 2008 : 15:11:11
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exactly, that is your choice meme. some people have morality that change according to circumstance ,some will rather we live as our percieve ape ancestors. that no laws or socail order. no religion or limits.
i would rather follow revelation and the orders of God than follow my own feelings and thinkings. no one wish to make you accept their faith but be ready to accept others rejection of the call to freedom from God. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 May 2008 : 19:38:37
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Originally posted by MeMe
Hahahahaahaha, my point exactly when it comes to the Bible, Koran and other such BOOKS!!!! How funny that you want it both ways ...
WITH EXCEPTION OF HOLY QURAN!. There is ONLY ONE ACCURATE QURAN COMPILED DURING LIFE TIME OF PROPHET MUHAMAD (S.A.W) & UNIVERSALLY READ & RE-CITATIONS IN SAME TONE FOR ALL MUSLIM UMA RITUALS! Thats why IT IS CALLED "AL KHAMIL" (A COMPLETE BOOK) AFTER ITS COMPILATION.
However there are OVER THOUSANDS OF INTERPRETATIONS, DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT ON NEUTRALITY, CONTRADICTIONS & DISTORTIONS OF THAT ACCURATE BOOK!. WHAT WAS MEMORIZED IS WRITTEN AND ENDORSED WITH THAT TITLE OF AL QURAN OR LITERALLY A COMPLETE ACCURATE BOOK!
"According to the traditionalist view, the Qur'an begun with Muhammad's claims of divine revelations in 610 AD. The verses of the Qur'an were written down and memorized during his life.".
More reference on above quote & OTHER USEFUL INFORMATION; courtesy of wikipedia:-
i) Origin and development of the Qur'an under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_and_development_of_the_Qur'an#.22Created.22_versus_.22uncreated.22_Qur.27an
ii) Qur'an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 May 2008 : 00:51:20
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So, people can doubt the validity of the book Inez was talking about but ..... the above are still BOOKS by any other name ..... books which were compiled hundreds of years ago so who here can say that they are real/pure sensationalism/providing manna to the masses/whatever? This retoric isn't convincing me and, as for Wikipedia, it's not really a reliable source (anyone can post there, kinda like Bantaba  )
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It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
Edited by - MeMe on 18 May 2008 01:01:43 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 May 2008 : 15:43:52
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Me-Me
Wikipedia..........I agree totally with your words ,
" as for Wikipedia, it's not really a reliable source (anyone can post there, kinda like Bantaba ) "
Is it factual?,of course not.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 00:51:02
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I condemn tamsier stereotyped view on arabs in general. She is linking lack of moral/ethics to saudis further arabs and possibly all muslims. That is plain racist attitude.
Besides, mr. tamsier, you already ok with 'racist' labelling by saying
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I have yet to see one from that society. what I see is hypocrites, murderers, rapist and peadophiles, and i can go one and on. These are just few of the reasons I hate them, now if that makes me ignorant or racist, then so be it.
Why bother opening this 'for the record' topic?!?!
Anyway, but view on arab usually changes. It depends on the interests. For example, during arab rebellion towards ottomans, british government praised arab as heros, freedom warrior. Than they decided them not worthy to have 'freedom' then they colonize them. While they may think arabs are fundamentalist/ignorance or whatever, they would like to do business with saudi, qatar, kuwait, UAE ignoring all the principles like having democratic values, human rights etc. In UK and USA today gulf countries are leading foreign investor. More 10,000 brits work in Dubai.
INEZ
Just clarification that :
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It is important to distinguish the Sudanese Arab from other Arabs of the Middle East. Sudanese Arabs are descended primarily from the ancient Nubians. In terms of racial origin, it is not clear what specific racial or ethnic group the Nubians originated from. Over a period of centuries, Arab immigration into the Sudan, intermarriage among Nubians and Arabs, and the introduction of Islam and the Arabic language, Arabised the Nubians into the Sudanese Arab of today. In appearance, the Nubians are similar to some Ethiopians and Eritreans; at one point, they shared a common history with the latter (See ancient Kush, and Axum).
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 14:53:47
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Originally posted by MeMe
So, people can doubt the validity of the book Inez was talking about but ..... the above are still BOOKS by any other name ..... books which were compiled hundreds of years ago so who here can say that they are real/pure sensationalism/providing manna to the masses/whatever? This retoric isn't convincing me and, as for Wikipedia, it's not really a reliable source (anyone can post there, kinda like Bantaba )
YES ANYONE CAN CHALLENGE ACCURACY IN YOUR OWN TERMS. ALSO YOU MAY RAISED YOUR ANY OBJECTIONS & QUESTIONS OF VALIDITY TO WIKIPEDIA. "ITS ONLY GOD WHO IS PERFECT!"
What am trying to tell you is that:-
i) There is only ONE ACCURATE QU'RAN; WRITTEN IN ARABIC; COMPILED FROM INSCRIPTIONS AFTER ITS REVELATIONS FROM PROPHET MUHAMAD (S.A.W); CONTINUOUS TEACHINGS & STUDIES THROUGH RECITATIONS BY FIRST FOLLOWERS OF MESSAGE OF ISLAM DURING LIFETIME OF PROPHET MUHAMAD (S.A.W).
ii) It was PROPHET MUHAMAD (S.A.W) WHO APPROVED IT AS ACCURATE & A COMPLETE BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE!
iii) Its a BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE FOR STUDY, TO BE READ & SHARE MESSAGES OF ISLAM TO "YA BANI ADAM!". "YA BANI ADAM!" = ALL CHILDREN OF ADAM; WHETHER BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW, ARAB, AFRICAN, ASIAN, JEW, BELIEVER, NON-BELIEVER & ALL DENOMINATIONS OF A UNIVERSAL WORLD RACE!
iv) The HOLY QU'RAN INCORPORATES ALL MESSAGES OF THE PROPHETS & IS A LETTER ADDRESSED TO INDIVIDUALS FOR GUIDANCE TOWARDS "ALLAH! (CREATOR & MASTER OF UNIVERSE!); AND THE MOST EXALTED NAME & ONE TRULY TRUSTED IN THESE WORDS "GOD BLESS YOU!"
v) THE VERSES OF HOLY QU'RAN ARE NOT SATANIC VERSES! WICKEDNESS, SATAN HAS NO PLACE IN ISLAM!
vi) EVERY INDIVIDUAL TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR DEEDS!; AS TAUGHT BY PROPHET MUHAMAD. "REAP WHAT YOU SOW!"
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toubab1020
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 15:35:38
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KOBO, you are "shouting again" (INTERNET CHAT SPEAK)
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 16:03:25
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| Yeah, upper case to me is shouting but I'm not sure what red upper case would be Anyway, the shouting is wasted on me because Kobo still hasn't replied to the point of my posting .... the teal colour is my laid-back mode, by the way |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
Edited by - MeMe on 19 May 2008 16:04:52 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 16:14:40
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Apology & would follow norms & conventions. Meme can you please tell me your points on level of accuracy or validity What are you looking for to tackle your point Quran incorporates a whole range of subjects including doctrines, science & philosophy.
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Edited by - kobo on 19 May 2008 16:44:28 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 17:12:31
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| Thank you Kobo. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 17:22:47
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Not looking to tackle anything here, Kobo. Just found it amusing that when Inez posted about an autobiography she'd read that had deeply touched her, another member of the Bantaba started going on about how this person's story had been sensationalised if you like and how you can't really trust the written word because publishers,book sellers,etc have their own agendas and stories are twisted in order to increase sales. So, if you follow that reasoning for any/all books then what of the Koran, Bible, etc?
Anyway, my point was (is) that you can't have it both ways .... a book is a book is a book 
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It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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fee_sweetie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 17:51:43
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Like Hello!!! Mum do you not get it, the Qur'ran is not classed as a book!! ........
WITH EXCEPTION OF HOLY QURAN!. There is ONLY ONE ACCURATE QURAN COMPILED DURING LIFE TIME OF PROPHET MUHAMAD (S.A.W) & UNIVERSALLY READ & RE-CITATIONS IN SAME TONE FOR ALL MUSLIM UMA RITUALS! Thats why IT IS CALLED "AL KHAMIL" (A COMPLETE BOOK) AFTER ITS COMPILATION.
However there are OVER THOUSANDS OF INTERPRETATIONS, DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT ON NEUTRALITY, CONTRADICTIONS & DISTORTIONS OF THAT ACCURATE BOOK!. WHAT WAS MEMORIZED IS WRITTEN AND ENDORSED WITH THAT TITLE OF AL QURAN OR LITERALLY A COMPLETE ACCURATE BOOK!
Doh, really do you not read others posts!!! Kobo has spoken and hey if it is on Wikipedia then it must be right!!!!!!
Good luck trying to put ure point across, it's almost like trying to part the red sea( or whatever happened in the not so acturate bible )
P.s the blue writing is my favourite colour.. |
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you'd have good people doing good things + evil people doing evil things but for good people to do evil things it takes religion"- Richard Dawkins |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 18:08:31
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Yes very tranquil the blue colour!
And my greetings to your son MARLEY JOSHUA SMIT- the next Prime Minister of The UK!!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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