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kayjatta
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12 May 2008 : 17:51:57
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| Bunch of hyprocrites if you asked me. This country is so morally backwards. Women are treated like cattle, children are sexually abused behind close doors, and openly gay men are killed, whilst those who do the killing or authorise it, are engaged in homosexuality behind close doors. Having worked in Mayfair - London, few years ago, I got to see their breed and how morally backwards these people are. I am sick to death with the whole lot of them and their neighbours. A bunch of babarrians. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 18:23:15
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| You have so much anger going through your veins, that it is not hard to know what your motives are. You seem to have a problem with everyone. Quit being bitter! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 May 2008 : 18:34:28
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| Mansasulu, what i said do go on in Saudi, so you point is silly. I dont have problem with everyone, only 'bean-heads' like you. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 18:48:52
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Originally posted by tamsier
Bunch of hyprocrites if you asked me. This country is so morally backwards. Women are treated like cattle, children are sexually abused behind close doors, and openly gay men are killed, whilst those who do the killing or authorise it, are engaged in homosexuality behind close doors. Having worked in Mayfair - London, few years ago, I got to see their breed and how morally backwards these people are. I am sick to death with the whole lot of them and their neighbours. A bunch of babarrians.
You just condemned a whole nation...and you still can't see your problem. I implore you to seek help. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 May 2008 : 19:00:02
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But they are morally backwards as a nation as well as their their neighbours. It is in their genes, you cant held me responsible for that. If you want me to take them seriously they will have to change their ways. You 'jam-arab'. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 May 2008 : 19:30:57
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It is moral bankcruptcy to generalize from an isolate or isolated cases. Because a Saudi abused you does not give you the authority to stigmatize a whole nation. Remember this is a country that has some very important pillars of the world's second largest religion, Islam.
Its sad if you have been used by some saudis during the course of ur work in the Mayfair district.Go seek redress !
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mansasulu
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Posted - 12 May 2008 : 19:38:46
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| I think your true colors have finnaly come out. What does Saudi Arabia and its neighbors have to change their ways to? You see, all along I knew you were up to someting. No wonder you do not want to reveal your true beliefs. When you are pressed for answers, you resort to name calling. Please seek help! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2008 : 12:40:58
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Madiba,
who told you a Saudi abused me? You formed an opinion without first asking me. I tell you right now - no Saudi have neither abused me nor used me. I'll rather drive a stake through my heart if that ever happens.
Only fools [in the context of your posting -] allow themselves to be used, and I am no fool. Therefore, I dont need to seek redress. Also, please dont hi-jack this topic with 'Islam' again. Kay's posting [the website he referred us] - touched on the morallity and ethics of this nation [Saudi]. My posting was to response to the issue [their ethics and morallity] - based on my experiences and well known facts about these people and their cousins. In no way did I mention 'Islam'. You are so obsessessed, and I find your obessession rather frightening. It is not healthy Madiba.
Mansasulu,
my true colours have always shown. I have never hidden what I really think, that's why some people hate me for that, and others love me for that. Those who love me for that, believe in what I say but they do not dear say it, in case people like you and Madiba pounces on them and accused them of all sorts. I on the other hand, dont care less what people like you think of me. If you read all my postings, you will see for yourself that I have never held back, especially if it is material to the issue at hand.
As regards to your question 'what does Saudi Arabia and its neighbors have to change their ways to? I thought that was obvious from my original posting on this issue, but apparently it is not to 'bean-heads' like you. So I will try and make it as simple as I possibly can with examples - for yourself and your like.
1. stop abusing children. I know there are other countries that abuse children, but the Arab world is the biggest abusers and these children are treathen with 'hell' if they ever speak out, most of the time by family members. Other nations have laws and systems in place to deal with this problem, Arabs dont. There has never been in the last 50 years or so an Arab living in the Arab world who has been convicted of peadophilia. Source: Dr Huda Abdullah Qattan at King Faisal Specialist Hospital.
2. Stop being hypocrites by condeming openly homosexuals - especially when they themselves are doing the deed. For example, couple of years back, I was moving houses so I hired a removal van. The driver was an Arab. No problem so far, until we were on the road and he started to chat me up. I immediately stopped him and told him I am straight and not to chat me up again. He immediately stopped and apologised. I have no problem with gay men, one of my best friends was gay, but I am not interested. After he apologised, there was no problem and we started chatting friendly - and he began to tell me that he got a wife and kids. This was a surprised to me, so I asked him, how can you be gay if you have a wife and kids? To my horror, he told me he is not gay and infact hate gays, but his behaviour is normal in the Arab world as long as you do it quietly and dont flaunt it, you are ok, if you flaunt it, you will be hanged. I will later witnessed first hand what this guy told me during my visit to Saudi [my first and last holiday visit]. I witnessed two gay men being publicly hanged for just being who they were [gay men]. Those men who were woeing the two men to be hanged with their disgraceful taunts were doing it themselves. This I would further find out from one of those animals in the crowed - a dirty fat Arab. Not that I have any problem with fat/big people, because some one can be big and healthy as well as beautiful, but this fat arab was a ghastly man. Any way, he told me 'they were foolish to get caught - they must die. He would not do it in the woods were the chances of getting caught are high, but would take the guys in a hotel and pretend they were his friends or cousins'. I have also seen how they behave during my time in Mayfair, were they hire rent boys, drink alchohol, and everything, that Islam apparently forbid, but on Friday, go to the mosque to pray to Allah. If this is not hypocritical I dont know what is.
3. Women are treated like cattles - even brain deaths like you know this, so there is no need for me to give examples here, but if you require one I can give it.
These people are a ghastly race and I make no apologies for that remark. If you want to run around them like a dog, go ahead, but please dont expect me to join you. I do not and will never bow to this lot. I would rather die. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 13 May 2008 12:50:45 |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 13 May 2008 : 13:30:50
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Going backward is better some time than going forward without Orientation.
Look at the third world nations, One can see why some (like we African)are still seesawing between forward and backward (two steps forward and one steps back)In fact for the African it is one steps forward and two steps back because of having lost the sticking points, We left the fish in our hand and trying to concentrate the one under our feet, How can it bee?.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 13 May 2008 : 14:51:45
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Tamsier, clearly you are really demented. You meet a couple of people who tell you they are gay and yet still hate those who openly flaunt their homosexuality and you condemn a whole nation and a whole region for that matter.
What happened to nations have the right to formulate laws as they see fit? If homosexuality is against the social, cultural, and religious ethos of Saudi Arabia why cant they impose penalities as they see fit? To you it seemed barbaric, and that shows how ignorant you are. Perhaps, you should read what happened to the people of Sodom (Prophet Lut story)for you to understand why homosexuality is punichable by death in Saudi Arabia.
All over the world, children and women are being abused and you think this is a problem confined to a certarn part of the world? I bet you did not hear about the child abuse scandal that rocked the catholic church in the United States. It does not matter if there are laws meant to protect them or not. The mere fact that children and women all over the world are being abused is merely unacceptable. What is unacceptable however is for you to just condemn a whole race just because you "hate" them.
Seriously, there is something severely wrong with you. You are full of rage, cant accept people for who they are and what they want to be. As always, it is easy for you to point fingers and never admit that you have a problem. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2008 : 17:01:46
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Mansasulu, you are the demented one who needs help - [Mr I do not care about my ancestoral homeland but only my religion]. If you read my posting properly, regarding how they treat gay people, you would have found out that these people you are so trying to protect were the same people who told me this is normal behavior in the Arab world - coupled with what I have seen with my own two eyes, at least I have 'primary evidence' that you do not have. Before you start typing, try and get my posting into you brain [if you have one] before responding.
You talk about laws, although I do not like their babaric ways against women, children and homosexuals, but even if I take your point regarding: homosexuals, how come those who made their laws are at it as well. The only difference between them and the people they hang is: those who are hanged are open and honest about it or are caught in the act by those who also do the same thing in private hotels.
You said I am ignorant because I find the way they kill gay people [most of whom have never raped any woman, killed anyone, abused any child] babaric, if this is what you call ignorant, then I am glad to be ignorant. You of course supports this, and I can think of one fitting word to describe you and your like, and believe me, it is not 'IGNORANT'.
As regards to child abuse, didn't I say I know it goes on in other countries as well, but at least their are laws to protect children unlike the Arab nations. This is another proof that you just rush and type without first reading properly somebody elses posting and register it in your brain. For the record I have heard of the catholic church scandal in the US. This proves my point. I am not the biggest supporter of America, but love them or hate them, at least their are laws and open media to deal with these animals. This scandal you will not here in Arab nations, the biggest 'peados', because it is hushed up, followed by threats, families themselves perform such acts and cite 'honour' in order to conceal their dispicalbe behaviors which is rampant in their society. Therefore, it was America's legal system and honesty in this regard, which led you to have the benefit of hearing it, you cannot say the same for Arab nations. As far as how they treat women, well, I dont even need to comment. Anyone who is honest enough can tell you.
Perhaps the only thing in your posting I agree with is : 'the mere fact that children and women all over the world are being abused is merely unacceptable'. However, as statated above, in other parts of the world, people are prepared to condemn these people, i.e. those degenerates that behave disgracefully and right so, but criticised the Arabs, and you are accused of being anti islam from people like you. Well as I said before, I dont care. You and your kind can accuse me of anything you wish, I am not bothered by it. If speaking the truth makes me anti islam then so be it.
For the record, neither do I have a problem nor am I full of rage Mansasulu. Just because i dont like Arabs - for obvious reasons, you accused me of being full of rage. Stop being silly. Some people like some people and hate others, I hate Arabs, period deal with it. It is call human nature. As long as I have never killed one of them or attacked them [which is totally against my nature unless their is justifiable reason], I am free to express my opinion about them when issues like this come across. It is you who have a problem. You, the one who would rather blaspheme against your own ancestors and motherland than to allow anyone to report the dispicable and disgracefull behaviour of the Arabs. If I have a problem, then you must have a big problem. Serf.
Further, it is 'you who cant accept people for who they are and what they want to be'. You, the one who supports such savagery against homosexuals and when caught out you cite religion. At least I am honest about the kind of people i cant stand. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 May 2008 : 17:41:10
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Mansasula I am totally shocked by your postings.
A homosexual has the right to exist and be free the same as any other person. To be hanged for your sexuality is barbaric.
Remember nearly all crime against women and children is committed by straight men, often fathers, husbands or uncles.
The LAW of a country is important because it sends out a signal of what is socially acceptable. Children should be protected in law.
Laws are to do with the consenusal view of a nation. The majority conform. Of course there will always be those that dont. But then the law can punish them.
The only point I dont agree with Tamsier about is that I wouldnt condemn a whole nation. I think there are good and bad in all countries. I am used to living in an open and free society so I do find the Arab hypocracy difficult to accept and comprehend. If you are bisexual live as a bisexual and at the very least your wife deserves to know so she can protect herself against AIDS.When a man is living a secret life in this way his wife is very vunerable.
How many women would choose to live with a man that is bisexual? Whether he ahs sex with a man or a women it is still an affair. The hypocracy is very difficult to stomach!!!   |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2008 : 18:20:18
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| Finally some one with a brain, eventhough Gambiabev does not agree with one of my statements, at least she sees sense and the bigger picture. I find it easier to accept Gambiabevs criticism [who can see sense] than brain-deaths like Mansasulu, who would still continue to rant about religion etc, when common sense is slapping him in the face. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2008 : 18:21:26
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Gambiabev, with all due respect, Tamsier condemned not only a whole nation, but a whole race. So let us not try to minimizes the severity of views. He says he "hates" Arabs and I cannot believe you did not find those views shocking as well. His views are very troubling. If history serves us right, Hitler hated a whole race as well. I am staunchly against homosexuality for obvious reasons and so does the people of Saudi Arabia. I refer you to the story of the people of Sodom as well.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2008 : 18:27:25
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| Mansaulu, I cannot believe people like you actually exist. You cite Hitler and then went on to say you are staunchly against homosexuals for obvious reasons. You are a man with two faces. I find the way you defend the arabs rather distasteful. Just a question, do you have an Arab master? |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 13 May 2008 18:31:06 |
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