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kayjatta
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kayjatta
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 Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 09:43:48
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| I am sure this is not new, especially to many of us from SeneGambia, but nevertheless very interesting... |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 09:49:23
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Originally posted by kayjatta
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_re_af/begging_for_islam
kay, it is sad practice what the senegalise kunasi socall marabouts do. begging is haram in islam unless in between meal times when one cannot afford to buy himself food. but to trap poor children and make them baggers is a grave sin, no wonder this marabouts are only interested in using the islamic image to deceieve just like luciano once sang ''the preacher man'' he said ,the preacher man uses the bible in hand and then do contrary to what it teaches''. the phinomina is serious and the authorities need to stop it once and for all. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kayjatta
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 10:03:06
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| Very correct. The parents should take part of the blame too, I think? |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 11:34:16
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| Any one with any sense of humanity must realise that this practice is entirely WRONG why have not all Imams condemmed it as such? am I just ill informed, do Imams condem the practice? is there any published condemnation from any Imam? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 11:36:20
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| Did any one read Amina Sowe Faal's book Beggar's Strike? Does it have an application here? |
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mbay
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 12:25:11
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"If you do the math, you'll find that these people are earning more than a government functionary," said Souleymane Bachir Diagne, an Islamic scholar at Columbia University. "It's why the phenomenon is so hard to eradicate." 
"I'm sure my mother is still alive," Coli reasoned. "When I left her she was well, so why wouldn't she be well now?" Underneath his bright eyes is another worry. Will she be angry that he disobeyed his teacher?
I just cant hold back my tears! Mothers have no wright of saying something that's is splitting their hart. including this case!!!
A judge tells the parents they will be jailed if they send their children away to beg again. They have to sign a statement promising to protect their boys from traffickers. Most are illiterate, so they leave a thumbprint in blue ink next to their names.
"You sent your kids to hell," the judge says. "You can't say that because you are poor you're going to allow your kids to be abused."
I dont think that this will stop the mink of the mammonism even with the menace of the judge.
Soon after Coli left, his marabout traveled to Guinea-Bissau. He angrily demanded to know why Coli had run away.
and we have to call this type of people a teacher, teaching of what?
thinking of nothing but his lucrative business!!!
Ashamed, Coli's father promised to make up for the boy's bad behavior. [/i]
He is sending the marabout two more sons.
So what to do next ? Unicef. child affair branches, Governments. forget them , The only way is from the home but when parents/Fathers behaves hart less then some kids have no choice but to follows the blind path. As we know they are innocent kids, Knowing nothing about our brutal world.
Kids.May Allah be on your side.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 12:47:28
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| Amina Sowe Faal's "Beggars' Strike" among other things illustrates the need Senegalese society, in particular, has for beggars. In as mush as they are (despised-may be not so) SeneGambian people tends to need beggars as intermediaries between them and God. When people ask something from God, they often do so by way of charity to a beggar. This illustrates the society's tacit acceptance and sometimes encouragement of begging. This issue is the conflict in "Beggars' Strike" where the tourism ministry's attempt to get rid of beggars from the streets of Dakar in order to boost tourism conflicts with the politicians need to give out charity in order to win elections and more... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 16:32:16
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Yes all very well but all this seem to be just an excuse, true though it maybe, surley IMAMS should make it quite clear to everyone that this practice is wrong, and those who do it are mislead,GOD does not want beggars just to make people feel better by giving charity through an intermediary for him.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MeMe
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 16:49:07
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| And would these be the same Imams who never seem to speak out about suicide bombers?? T1020, you'll have a long wait for this .... |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 19:47:01
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| there are many imams who speak against all forms of violence. and there are many who also do speak against this form of opression. the imam hold no power to legislate in senegal. senegal is a secular state so the power to stop this kind of abuse lies in the hands of the authorities. the abuses that took place in the churhes can only be fully stoped by the authorities. men of religion can only comdemn the selfish behavour of the marabouts in kunase.this people are not necessaryly imams don't comfuse the two.marabouts are spirual men so they claim but not necessaryly imams. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 21:17:40
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Thank you for taking part in this topic,I hope that we all understand that "marabouts are spiritual men" its understood that Senegal is "a secular state" and as such the "authorities"are responsible,it remains a fact though that if Imams condemmed this practice their word would be listened to.I think that it is only fair to mention that in some branches of Christianity abuses have taken place,which until VERY recently have been ignored by religious leaders.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 01:41:36
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| True the authorities have a big role, but other power brokers such as religious leaders as well as the general societies open need, acceptance, encouragement or care-free attitute to begging and beggars; are huge factors too. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 13:25:09
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Originally posted by kayjatta
True the authorities have a big role, but other power brokers such as religious leaders as well as the general societies open need, acceptance, encouragement or care-free attitute to begging and beggars; are huge factors too.
Kay.......Wouldn't disagree with that at all,other posters dont seem to want to join in,early days yet I suppose.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 22 Apr 2008 13:27:49 |
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