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anna
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 Posted - 12 Nov 2007 : 23:06:31
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So - a matter of supply and demand. Yes Turk, you stated 'another factor', so there are other factors, surely (wow, you are a terrier).
I am not interested in reading the Wikipedia article about female sex tourism, but one of the sentences you quote strikes me: the men used by tourist women - who is using who? Consenting adults!
Bev, gigolos do not necessarily engage in prostitution. Mostly they act as 'companions', so the women can go out to the clubs accompanied by a young Gambian who knows the ropes.
Back to the topic: how come this phenomenon of bumpsterism started to be so big that it is seen as having such a negative effect on tourism and why does the Gambian government/police think the bumpsters have to be treated as criminals?
I have to tell you the truth: personally i feel more harassed and irritated by the blind father/grandfather with his hand on a child's shoulder, who persevere and stand in front of you looking sad until you know there is nothing to do but dive in the big bag to find your wallet. Sometimes 3 or 4 per day! Will they be allowed to beg on the beach? Poor children, they should be at school or play with their friends.
Ergo: maybe there would be no excess of bumpstering and no blind-fathers-and-begging-(grand)child if the Gambian government came up with some sort of social security system.
Does anyone here know Alaghi, the deafmute man with his exercise book in which you can write your contribution for his school for deafmute children? Man, i always have fun with this guy, i have seen him on the beach for more than 5 years now - no school has been established so far. We both start waving from a great distance, he's happy to see me again and i am happy too - for me he 'comes' with being in the Gambia. He sits on my sunbed for a while, we chat (sort of) and i buy him a soft drink. He knows full well i will not write anything in his exercise book again, ever. It's like this with the bumpsters too: you chat, make a joke and they know very quickly i am not going to be their 'customer' so they move on, no hard feelings. It's just a 'job' - but some of them could do much better. But they go on doing this hoping to catch a 'big fish' (which doesn't necessarily have to be a wealthy sexstarved 50+ white woman, Turk - but preferably a nice couple or group of people who will hire them as 'guide', arranging 'real Gambian' excursions for them and taking them to places 'they would not have been able to visit otherwise'. Some tourists are gullible and the bumpsters are taking advantage of that. Believe me, some of these bumpsters really succeed in giving some tourists the time of their lives. |
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turk
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Posted - 12 Nov 2007 : 23:28:22
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Anna
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So - a matter of supply and demand.....Consenting adults!
Of course. Sex for money is the oldest profession. But you are off the target. The reason I am bringing 'the women who is looking for love', because I found it unfair for bumpsters alone pay the price. Those come to gambia for sex may bring some EUROS but it also brings social problems. Such as
- Tension. A gambian soldiers are using force to some adults who want to have consenting relationship.
- Gambian youth losing their hope and only hope will became getting some white women to get out of gambia. Or selling their soul.
- The exposure of ugly capitalism and consumerism.
I already indicated one alternative. Making harder for those who want to come gambia for sex. For example, visa. Visa officers easily give visa for those families who want to go gambia. Canadians must get visa before going to Gambia. If a single man or single woman going gambia, visa officers ask the question "why". If someone is visiting a boy friend, wife, husband, lover an invitiation letter would be helpful. Or someone is volunteering, a letter from the organization would be helpful. And a Gambian visa officer, just like british visa officer in Gambia, or at the immigration trust the 6th sense to screen those who are going to Gambia for sex. I am just brainstorming here. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 13 Nov 2007 : 00:04:56
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Turk, do yourself (and us) a favour and stop the brainstorm (sometimes i think your brain is out of control, though i must admit: you're sharp. Is it the middle of the day or the morning over there with you or what. Please man, it's almost midnight here and i had a hard day's work). NO, it's bad enough Gambians and other Africans have to go to all this trouble to travel abroad. Everyone should be able to travel to wherever they want to go. It's better to strife for them to be able to visit our countries without visa procedures instead of wanting westerners to comply to these procedures when we want to visit them. You are starting at the wrong end.
You know full well why the balance is now in our 'favour': (unwanted) immigrants scaring western governments.
"Exposure of ugly capitalism and consumerism' - Turk, you know as well as i do that most Europeans who holiday in the Gambia are hardworking people who have saved up to go for a holiday there and they have to keep an eye on the day-to-day-holiday-budget. You don't see many big spenders there and if i had more money and if i didn't have a Gambian partner, i'd go to a luxury resort in Mombasa first and have a week's safari after that to see some wildlife.
I understand you worked for one of the 'most prestigious UK companies' and you urge your wife to have an education and a career - so what is wrong with capitalism all of a sudden?
Hey, it's 00.02 out here - going to bed, have to get up at 06.00 again in order to earn some dough.
You're going off topic again and i refuse to go along!
That is not what this thread is about.
Don't exaggerate: nobody is asking any bumpster to 'sell his soul' - when you put it like this you seem to regard the Gambian youths as weaklings, unable to think for themselves.
As if you are asking for their protection: don't bring any euros there, because it will make them unstable. Do you know what you are saying??
Here you do not seem to be advocating human beings treating each other as 'equals'.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 13 Nov 2007 : 00:25:43
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Anna
Thanks for the compliment but I am married :) It is morning, I had my caffein and on fire. But again, it think it is midnight that is why you did not get my point. You are talking another issue. I am not pointing unfairness of visa issue for africans, that has nothing to do with this topic. It is fair European governments to have visa for african or turkish who go to visit europe and became illegal immigrant. I am telling you visa can be used as a tool by gambian government to discourage those abuse gambians.
"Exposure of ugly capitalism and consumerism' point. Again, you really need your sleep. Go to bed, have your sleep. But I am really lost how you think it is a conflict that my profession and encourage my wife to pursue a career and capitalism . I have never said I am NOT capitalist. I was focusing on ugly capitalism/consumerism which is the equating of bumpsters' happiness with the purchasing of material possessions like soccer jersey, nike sneaker, slicky mobile phone or money or consumption.
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Here you do not seem to be advocating human beings treating each other as 'equals'.
Come again? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 13 Nov 2007 : 00:40:25
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Originally posted by turk
toubab
How is it disturbing? I made a connection of bumpster and those who come to gambia for love (And I said "-some not all- ) as you make connection with the poverty. Anna suggested that is a hijack and I found it to be unfair. I believe there is a connection. Also, he found my idea of something can be done by Gambian immigration to prevent/making harder for these people to come to gambia 'crazy' than I justify my idea actually make sense by european government to screen out some gambians who want to come to europe. The only reason I mentioned visa problems because anna suggested that my idea was crazy.
Anna
Thanks for acknowledment. Back to the subject. Do you really read what I am posting? I said one of the reasons.
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but there is another factor for this problem.
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They are factos too
There are several reasons for bumpster, and one of the many reasons is tourists who come to gambia for love. Let me provide you some link that connects the female sex tourism and 'bumpsterism'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sex_tourism
On this link, it states:
There are "de facto" tours, however, such as airplanes bound to the Gambia in West Africa full of British and Scandinavian women seeking affairs with beach boys.
May I point that article mentiones 'affairs with beach boys', 'The men used by tourist women.......Marlboro men (Jordan), bomsas or bumsters (the Gambia), sanky pankies.......Today, many other destinations are popular, including Morocco..... everywhere with beaches....and a surplus of underemployed men.
Turk,I was disturbed by your vitrolic posting in response to Anna's posting,weather anyone else was I dont know ,Bantaba is a place for exchange of views and discussion about a topic that has been posted for discussion,as you have found it is very easy to extend that topic into some other subject You are able to post your own topics for discussion.
I thought that you could come up with a better source than Wikipedia,which can have entries added by anybody who may or may not have access to proven facts,I may be doing Wikipedia a disservice but thats what I understand to be the case,if thats incorrect I am open to correction. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 13 Nov 2007 : 00:49:49
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Good night Children everywhere,sleep tight ! (Netherlands and Australia! )
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 13 Nov 2007 : 01:12:13
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toubab
Sorry, I am really really really missed where I was harsh on Anna unfairly. Do please give me reference. Quote me. I think you were over-sensitive. You admit that I have valid points. Anna pointed that I was on target in terms of visa idea. Besides, she was suggesting that I was hijacking the topic, which is not case in my opinion. My contribution, indeed, is related to the topic.
Agree, wiki is not about proven facts. But that is the most accepted reference. Here some info about the wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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jambo
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Posted - 13 Nov 2007 : 10:22:18
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turk, how can you stop a person going on a two week holiday, how would applying for a visa put that in writing.
your suggestion would not work, because they only have t say a "holiday", pay for a package hotel with meals and the visa is granted. secondly who would administer this, on the gambia side or the european side.
If you make it difficult for people to obtain visas, they will not visit gambia. I have never met a male/female who came to Gambia just for that purpose, most had "friends" they were supporting, those that got lucky when they arrived were targetted by someone who suggested lets go for a "drink". easy pickings.
my problem is this, were are the jobs for these bumsters, surely the government could be more pro active in creating industries. It is not representative of Gambia to have bumsters sitting on the beach, waiting for a European that they want to talk to.
Like I say look at how other countries dealt with the problem I would not like to see that in Gambia.
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 13 Nov 2007 : 10:39:43
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Thanks for the compliment but I am married :)
Huh  Did i propose? I know you are married Turk, and i wish you all the best! I'm in a happy relationship myself, thank you.
I refuse to go along any further with your conviction that 'the white woman' or tourism are responsible for the phenomenon of bumpsterism, as if we gave the bad example. Just like i cannot help it that the young Gambians in the Kombo's want to wear the latest fashion in T-shirts and sneakers. Some of them look as if they stepped straight from a videoclip. Are they copying us? No, they are copying someone they saw on their own or somebody else's tv. Yes, there is consumerism in the Gambia, but not because of tourism - it is called 'progress', welcome to the 21st century.
Why is my sister-in-law calling us now to tell us now she wants a mobile with a camera in it? Beats me and it's driving my partner crazy - but now i have to keep myself in check and not go off topic any further.
So, anyone know Alhagie? He is my favourite 'bumpster'. I donated once 5 years ago, but no school is emerging. We laugh a lot together, but he knows i see through his tric. He is just begging, using his handicap. Still, i would hate it when they would put him behind bars, don't want to think of torture. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 13 Nov 2007 : 10:54:17
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Turk,we could go on and on ad - infinitum going back and forth I give my opinion that I think that you have been at least very rude in your implications to a poster,Bantaba is not a war zone its a place to exchange ideas and thoughts about posted topics,it is very specialised I admit being related almost exclusively about Gambia and her problems,people are individuals and as such hold different views but very strongly worded postings are upsetting to many people,you will see that I started a topic called Very quiet now why ? the postings therin show why.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 14 Nov 2007 : 00:56:37
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| Toubab. Let us not go on and on. Be more specific. Quote me. What was the response in this post that was very rude to anna. I want to see. I mean you might be right. I maybe have been rude. I want to see so that I can apoligize to anna. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2007 : 07:02:08
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Hey Turk, why not try and be less of a terrier today? Anna here will not be happier if you come up with an apology or not. I'm sure Toubab was not talking about a particular word or phrase you used. It's just that you seem to like a more or less agressive debating style, but then you were told so before by others on this great Bantaba. You know what: i am not easily put off and you will always find me here - it's just that i sometimes think your style is tiring and a bit like a child that wants to have his way. Bet you are having great fun down under behind your computer, convinced that you are outwitting us all everytime. Fine by me, i will not even try to take the illusion from you. But stop hijacking, because you are doing it again: making a debate into something personal.
Now, since i just got up it must be time for you to go to sleep and tell us after that how you think these bumpstering beach boys should be dealt with. Maybe this thread can have a rewarding result to give us all food for thought after all.
Sleep well! |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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turk
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Posted - 15 Nov 2007 : 05:00:26
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| turk is not happy with your objectivity. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Nov 2007 : 12:06:36
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Turk
Think you have met your match here and from ,a woman, oh dear!  when will you realise that ALL men are controlled by their women and not the other way around as you would like us to believe.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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