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Serekundajock
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 26 Nov 2007 : 23:20:02
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Never said that companies supported government taxation,turk. The government here are collecting more environmental taxes and seem to be doing nothing with it.
With more increases on the way. Big companies make money out of these environmental policies with new products. Maybe they are cheaper to produce. I doubt if anyone here is going to see the benefit of it.
To my knowledge only one economist has ran a country he failed miserably. I am sure the country was Austria just after WW11. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 02:29:44
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| Serekunda. Majority of business are against environmental policies because, their production cost/taxes increases. I am looking forward to see any reference that supports your unique and interesting opinions on environment. To be honest, other than industrial corporations and some neo-cons, I have never heard something similar to your opinion. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Jack
Belgium
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 08:30:14
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Turk, that attitude is the same all over the world.
Majority of businesses (businessmen) only look at short term. Making as much as profit as can, as fast as can. Environmental laws (but also social laws) increase their costs and reduces their profits.
But if something is going wrong in society they are the first to blame the government. |
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Serekundajock
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 17:01:00
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| Costs are passed on to the consumer. Contradicting opinions to global warming are not really heard here as it is not popular. If an expert can produce evidence to the contrary then it is generally not heard. These opinions do not suit the UK government at the moment so politicians do not seek them. No budget for this kind of research as it does not get votes from the public. All I ask is do not believe all you here. For example Nasa took satelite pictures of both poles for 10 years that was in the ninties. It showed that the ice did melt quite considerably, but the ice always returned. There is money to be made from environmentalism and big companies are rarely altruistic so the benefit is to them. What about hybrid cars apparently hydrogen cells cause a great deal of pollution in there manufacture. Anyway I am off to Gambia in 4 weeks. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 18:59:40
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| Environmental costs passed on the consumer? Who else is going to pay? Contradicting opinions to global warming not heard? Why? Which groups hide them? Corporations? How come any facts proving that global warming not happening do not suit UK government? If you ask us not to believe the global warming, provide us alternative. Enlighten us. So far you fail to provide any facts or reference supporting the opinion that global warming is a big conspiracy for some interests groups like 'government' and 'corporations who want to pay more tax and sell more environmental products'. And please explain again, if hybrid car idea is for Environment or against. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Serekundajock
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 20:48:56
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Dear Turk, Jack suggested that companies would have lower profits due to enviromental laws.
Therefore costs passed on to consumer offset this. Government chooses not use contradicting facts. They are generally the ones who fund studies of that kind. Scientists that disagree with the government policy on this are not the flavour of the month here. On that basis if the government put forward contradictory views then it would not allow them to raise taxes. So what you are saying is we are meant to believe everything a government says, don't think so. To turn it on its head you prove to me that global warming caused by the human race exists. Hybrid car is good on paper but very polluting to produce. So is it environmentally friendly. Lower tax band here for what in the long run maybe a more polluting car before it turns a wheel. I will say it again I never said corporations wanted to pay tax. But what you are saying could be a good idea for a government to do. They come up with a policy say the environment, get manufacturers to make new expensive to the consumer products. Government says every home should have one. We all buy it and bingo more tax in the coffers from industry and end users. But if I am right where is this extra tax going from the environmental problem that does not exist. I never asked you not to believe in global warming just because I dont, you can. The alternative could be there isnt global warming. The Earth is very old and we know very little about it. How do we know that it wasnt going to heat up anyway. Wars generally boost western economies we already have one on the go, coming to an end now. What if government thinks of another war of some kind, one that does not kill people would be good. Lets pick the environment. Creates more jobs keeps them in office because the environment has been made to be a concern with the voters who are believing what they are spun. Furthermore opinions like mine are gathering ground here. I am not alone. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 20:30:08
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jock
So are you saying that 'global warming' is a conspiracy and it does not exist? So far you fail to provide any reference to opinions like yours that gathering ground. If you are not alone, show us others. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Serekundajock
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 21:29:19
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Check these out Turk, Telegraph.co.uk three articles The Deceit behind global warming 4/11/07 and Scientists threatened for 'climate denial'11/03/07 Climate Chaos? Don't believe it 5/11/06. You keep repeating yourself but never bring a shred of evidence forward to prove it does. Tried to send the links could get them to work more your field I think. I am saying it might be a conspiracy. Not to long ago scientists were saying the Earth was cooling down and we would have an ice age and thousands would die. Can't they tell the difference between hot and cold. Think this was around the 1980's.
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