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kiwi
Sweden
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 Posted - 17 May 2007 : 14:26:07
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Dua Khalil Aswad was only 17 years old when she was killed. Her family and the clan they belonged to were members of a religous group called Yeazidi. She fell in love with an arab boy, a muslim. As that was not accepted by the clan she was stoned to death by hundreds of men, including her own brother and cousins, with police standing around and watching.
All over the world women all killed in the name of honour or religion. In more modern societies they are masked as a suicides.
Watch the video, if you like.
http://ballyblog.wordpress.com/2007/05/04/warning-uncensored-video-iraqis-stone-girl-to-death-over-loving-wrong-boy/
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jambo
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Posted - 17 May 2007 : 14:58:59
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| this shows what an uncivilised world we live in, was the boy stoned or just the girl |
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2007 : 15:49:35
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| I havenīt heard anything about his faith. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2007 : 16:17:50
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| i thought he was a muslim, what is yeazidi, |
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kiwi
Sweden
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jambo
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2007 : 00:52:45
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I read about this in the morning and I was shocked. Never before have I seen actual footage of when some poor woman is killed this way, these "hounor killings" happen in Sweden too and I can only ask: are these people or animals?
These animals must be in total lack of respect of human life and may they burn in hell for that!
And why the hell do we allow these kind of crazy men live here in Sweden? They should be deported to a far away deserted island!
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Santanfara
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Posted - 19 May 2007 : 05:21:47
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Originally posted by jambo
i thought he was a muslim, what is yeazidi,
you though wrong . there are people from dominated islamic countries that have cultures of honour killing which is a fact but this people don't use islamic principles as there barometre '' it is some thing they carry along from before islam which they find hard to throw away ''. whichever communittee engage in this cruel and barbaric practice is wrong and should be comdenmed for what it is .
now turning to the religious issue , no religious group or groups in the world advocate for the killing of innocent girl just because the girl married to a different race or tribe or was impregnated by a different race or tribe .
this acts are rooted in cultures .the topic what is culture may explain how complex culture is .
people may not be happy how women are in islam but that should not blurre there judgement as to the fact that islam did not advocate for this kind of behaviour. so jambo i though you are a level headed individual whose lack of islamic undestanding allow him to be bais unnecessaryily without prior research .now if i say the molesting of young boys by priest is in catholism ,would i be right or wrong ? ofcourse i would be wrong .just because some priest do it doesn't make it part of the religion .secondly the unaccountable number of fetoes aborted dayly in west ,what would you say to that .this things happen freely .the unjust killing of a baby is unlawful .the death of the young girl is despecable ,but after we comdenm the killers lets us also see within our communittees what sort of acceptable civilise method of killing is permitted .like the abortion of fetoese . this fetoes are babies .yet this babies are killed uncountless number of times all over the world including the non-desert world .
the killing of the elderly by nurses ,this are all acts that contravene human decency . the delibarate targettiing of civilians in war situation are all pass-off as collateral damage by the educated civilise and most democratic country's.yet where are the cry's for that ? i am not appologying for this savage acts by this criminals but lets not use a sweeping language against a whole kurdish communitee.. this men will answer to the justice of there maker ,which will not fail .
if the world can brought them to justice then they should be equally be punished . i feel for the mother of the girl .may her soul rest in peace.
honour killing happens in sihk communitee ,in hindu communittee,in some yamani communittee ,some section of pakistani communitee ,some egptian communittee,and very rearly somalian communitee .
this are nonsence reason they made up to kill the women .the men is hardly heard off .some men do get killed or ran away .this is not honour but dishonoured and injustice. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 19 May 2007 : 10:29:46
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The main problem is that these murderes who kill their own family members walk free and are not punished for their actions. The men who do it are proud of it and gain "honour" and the society they live in backs them up and let them get away with it! That is why it is allowed to continue.
As we clearly can see in the Dua Khalil Aswad case, the police just stood by and watched and did nothing because it is considered a private matter of the family!
Santanfara, there are many things wrong in the west but how can you compare abortion with honour killings, just to point out that we are no better than these monsters who kill their young daughters? I dont see the connection and why you brought it up here?
Most women here in the west do not see abortion as an "easy way out" of a pregnancy or use abortion as birthcontrol, but is often a very difficult and sad choice. And when they have decided to end an unwanted pregnancy she does not deserve to be judged and spitted on by some pro life activists (who in most cases also are dominated by religious MEN!).
A woman has the right to choose over their bodies and decide wether she wants to go through a pregnancy or not. Abortion has existed ever since Adam met Eve, and to make it illegal riscs the health and lives of many girls and women who will do it regardless. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2007 : 10:56:30
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| The pakistani community in Uk has many honour killings. Usually men kiling women who dont do as they are told. They use it as a way of controlling women. Young women are frightened of making free choices, such as about who they go out with. This may be part of culture in Pakistan, but it has no place in modern Britain. |
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jambo
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Posted - 19 May 2007 : 13:03:06
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santanfara, i am level headed and I stand by what I say, was he stoned, no only the women.
this is a culturally situation and not a religious situation then it has different results, but it is still barbaric.
this is about control. I ask questions, that is part of research, you might not like the questions but I am entitled to ask.
i quote you
you though wrong . there are people from dominated islamic countries that have cultures of honour killing which is a fact but this people don't use islamic principles as there barometre '' it is some thing they carry along from before islam which they find hard to throw away ''. whichever communittee engage in this cruel and barbaric practice is wrong and should be comdenmed for what it is .
so the answer he is not a muslim. my point is this they share a religous belief but not a culturally, then it is a country/society issue. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 01:02:38
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This is utterly disgusting and abhorrent for anyone to be subjected to such inhumane merciless tortureo fall in love is not a crime to stone, kick and beat someone to death; witness it and posted it onto the internet is. What honour was Du'a's family thought they were protecting only reveals their depravity, barbarity and Satan worship.
May Du'a rest in perfect peace.
Peace
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Santanfara
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 12:32:04
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babylon ,i did not want to reply to your comments but that may imply i was indicating what you accuse me of. .i did not made any appology onbehalf the parents or any one that took part in the horrific murder of the young girl .i made it cristal clear that what they did is wrong and has no place in human society .but you picked some of my comments and left others and then you conclude that i was making an appology for the parents . secondly i did not have any hatred for the west or the people of the western world .i was on numerous occasition defending the records of the western government and her people acheivement in human development and love and respect for its citizens and other resident .you were assuming i dislike the west by highlighting certain issues which should also be discussed . i always say if we from the third world can respect each other and love and care for each other our condition will not be the sorry state it is today.
i repeat '' i did not appologise for the murder of the young kudish girl '' . all i was doing is add that after we comdenm her brutal death ,we can also turn our energy on other forms of death taking place arround us. if you deem that to be appologising for the death of the young girl ,so be it .
what is grafic and painful always reaise human sentiment every where in the world ,but also other forms of civilise brutality are taking place which hardly raise any eyebrows .this is what i was implying .i even name the places this kind of barbarity take place ,i don't know what else you want me say sister ! .i even mension that rampant abortion take place in every part of the world .i can provide statistics if you want .in india every single day 4000 baby girls are aborted . the mothers face difficult decision in taking that decision is your defense ,well i hold difference of opinion on the killing of innocent babies .if you think i am a religious fanatic because of that ,i will happily take the batch.why do people terminate those life's ? some are necessary for medical reasons but others are not .if we want to talk about males taking decision for women which is seen as backwards and oppressing ,lets do some thing about . but for bev to be always wipping up hate words against men i don't think that will change any thing.
men are bad ,evil ,conrol fricks,selfish.arrogant,silly,shortsighted ,oppressive,uncaring,inhuman etc etc. yet we can't do without each other. men are also loving in others ways ,they too care in a little way. we don't all have similar life experiences so we can't say all men are evil and bad.
this is the campaigm of the lesbians ,but looking at them as well they too dominate each other and control each eventhough this is two women relationship .they are even more jealous and aggressive to their partners in cases of disloyalty . men are evil bev but it is not in our genetics .you are a british i assume and reading the crimes of the past books,i find many dangerous women there too .may be you name them for us. men carry out the most horrendious of crimes ,but it is not all men that do that . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 13:36:03
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jambo,
I share your opinion. This case is a matter of culture and not religion. Although she is a christian. This act is purely culture in the areas where ever they exist. |
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 13:57:09
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Santanfara, your posting was very much appreciated, especially as you seem to be the only male member to be concerned. I think it was clear from the beginning that your condemned the cruel killing of this young woman as well as you do it generally. Like you said the act was due to a cultural habit and not islamic, but there probably was some religious feature in it, though not advocated by islam.
I donīt think men generally are (quote) bad ,evil ,conrol fricks,selfish.arrogant,silly,shortsighted , oppressive,uncaring,inhuman etc , but sometimes the pressure from the society makes some men behave this way. We need more men like Santanfara to rise their voices and say We do not t accept any honour killings, it has to stop . Any killings for that matter.
Abortion and helping elderly to end their lives are two important issues to discuss but should not be mixed with honour killings.
There are reports telling that The Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) condemns the murder of Dua Khalil Aswad, aged 17, who was stoned to death on 7 April in the town of Bashika near Mosul, Nineveh governorate.
There also are reports saying that authorities in northern Iraq have arrested four people in connection with the case.
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:18:38
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Santanfara, I didnīt mean to be disrespectful in any way just wondering why you brought up abortions when we discuss honour killings? For me it is two different topics.
I know you donīt support honour killings (who does?) and I did not accuse you of defending it, I hope you didnīt take things personal. It is easy to misunderstand eachother in writing and think one is being aggressive just while that is not the case. So chill donīt be mad at me  
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