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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
 Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 08:09:23
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Institutionalized racism, the commonly known and seemingly state ratified mode of racism in Sweden, is exhaustible and can potentially wear out all forces and targets. Racism inherent in a society’s system cannot be easily contested and subjected to a whitewash defeat. Therefore, all immigrants in Sweden share a common experience and a common disgust with the national Swedish “dish” of racism. When racism becomes an intrinsic part of a system, no group goes unaffected. In Sweden, Swedes refer to their kind of racism as “structural racism”. As the name implies, racism in Sweden is a societal structure and a part and parcel of the Swedish society.
Sweden, a fast growing multi-racial society still holds fast to its system of institutionalized racism. Sweden as most Swedes pretentiously want to see it, to them, is still homogeneous. The Swedish system needs a general overhaul to reflect the multi-racial society it has been transformed into. Sweden, to the dislike of racists, has now become a multi-racial society and so it’s going to remain. This is a reality that opponents of multi-racial Sweden are forced to face up to. Institutionalized racism in Sweden needs a farewell party and instead welcomes a multi-racial society.
Racism engraved in the Swedish system has a broad expression in many aspects of the society. Immigrants in Sweden face signs and symptoms of racism from all corners and levels of the society. Discriminations on grounds of race and religion are hot and topical issues of discussions amongst immigrants in Sweden. All immigrants in Sweden have different stories of discriminations to narrate. The Swedish language being used as a tool to discriminate immigrants is a common experience of all immigrants.
The Swedish language, as almost all immigrants realized, is blessed with a unique dialect. To speak Swedish, with pure Swedish dialect, is an impossible endeavour no-matter how long immigrants have been resident in Sweden. The pure Swedish dialect belongs exclusively to native Swedes. Immigrants’ kids’ usually born or brought up in suburban towns in Sweden, like their parents, do speak Swedish with a distinct dialect. Immigrant kids, born or brought up in exclusively Swedish areas, usually very few of them, are blessed with a dialect free Swedish. Nature has endowed the Swedes with the possibility of distinguishing immigrants with both eyes and ears. Detected by both eyes and ears, immigrants endure the task of Swedish discrimination.
In telephone contacts with authorities, the private and public sectors of the Swedish establishment, immigrants normally exposed by their immigrant Swedish dialect “ID cards”, become recipients of Swedes unpleasantness, unlike the preferential treatment usually dish out to their fellow Swedes. Studies based on research, published regularly, reveal that immigrants receive undue treatment from Swedish authorities compared to native Swedes.
Despite structural racism in Sweden, the immigrant population is rapidly on the rise. Every fifth inhabitant in Sweden is either an immigrant or has immigrant background. Swedes together with other Scandinavians are the only whites with kids together with nationals from every corner of the globe. You name any country in the world; there is surely a citizen from there with a kid or kids with a Swede or a Scandinavian. Swedes production of kids with citizens’ world wide, has, so far, failed to impact upon Sweden’s institutionalized racism.
On long term basis, Swedish racism will drastically diminish or vanish when the population gets to the extent where every other Swede will be of immigrant background. But until such a time that this becomes an unavoidably reality, Sweden will gladly continue with its institutionalized racism unabated. Bamba.
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 08:30:28
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Thank´s Bamba! This is very true. Been saying this for years. Like I mentioned once before, there is a saying "Sweden has the best educated taxi drivers and cleaners in the world."
Because even if you are a doctor, you wont get a job here if you don´t speak "correct" swedish or have a foreign name, and you also have to re-educate yourself since only a Swedish university degree will do in this bloody country.
If you are american, that is great -you will be welcome everywhere. But anyone from a 3rd world country gets discriminated, even if you´re born here but your parents are non white. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 09:11:14
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Do you have equality of opporunity in work in law in Sweden? In uk this is very strict now. In some jobs when appropriate there is even positive discrimination for a certain group eg hindu speaking if it is a job to serve that community.
Perhaps things will slowly change when the immigrant poulation starts to become middle class and takes over many of the establishment jobs? In Leicester the immigrant population is over 1 third of the total population and this is reflected in government jobs.
The pace of change is slow.... but lets hope with each generation there will be more mixing and more understanding. This should lead to a multi cultural society where everyone is accepted and has the same opportunities.
I dont know any swedish people......but in general do they think their race is a superior race? Sounds a bit like the Nazis in Germany. It is very sad if that is the case.......
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 10:03:11
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| Gambiabev, equal job opprtunities in Sweden:- heaven NO! It would be utopia for any immigrant in sweden to concede equality in all spheres. Swedes blue eyed and blonds are superior, all diseases they (Swedes) contract usually come from others, if such a haughtiness tells you anything about them. Bamba. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 10:41:36
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| I dont know how they can justify this in todays world. |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 10:48:57
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| Racial superiority is an illusion and one can never justify illusions, or? |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 14:49:11
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To make it short: During 1935- 1976 (!) about 60 000 swedes were sterilized by force by the Swedish government. The people sterilized (against their own will)were the ones who didn´t fit into the society: criminals, mental and physically disabled, alcoholics/drugaddicts, uneducated single mothers etc, and those who didn´t match the "good aryan race" like gypsys for example.
The socialists were practising these laws after racebiology measurments. People were actually measured after noselenght, eyecolor, hair etc. and judged thereafter just like in nazi Germany.
The social democrats are still in power and it was only 30 years ago since they stopped the forced sterilizations of the "outcasts".
So, some of these people are still alive and in the system, making decisions!
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 16:16:00
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| Babylon, get this straight, no decision making boby can succeed legislating against "attitude". Attitude is embedded in racism. The practical effects of attitude exceeding the boundaries of the law can fall under certain legislative clauses. Therefore, racists have to change attitudes to see other humans as equals for a harmonious co-existence. The type of government in place is inconsequential under a racist climate. |
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twinkly
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 16:17:48
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Wow, sounds like home.
This brings back memories again why we left Switzerland.
Gambiabev, equality of opportunities does not (yet) exist in most european countries.This is why I am surprised when people cuss the UK.
Of course no where is perfect.But the UK is leading the way.
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 17:12:31
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| Babylon, I dont disagree. Let me add onething, racism operates on a master plan and is in the breed. Coming generations of perpetrators of racism will be forced to see multi-racial co-sxistence as a necessity for the peaceful survival of all races. The process is already on but slowly dragging on. Let's see it as a process of successive slow graduation. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 17:20:31
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Nowadays there is a law against discrimination, but I doubt that it helps the arabic man who had to change his name into a swedish name for a chance to get to a job interview, and still didn´t get the job because of the way he looked.
I am convinced that there is still an ungoing racist attitude in our system, and the politicians and employers are very much responsible. That is why the law of discrimination is useless, nobody follows it and the employers always have some bad excuse (that sounds good) why they didn´t hire the arabic man.
It is not the attitude of your ordinary Joe or neighbour that is the biggest problem, but the ones on higher posts who rule this society. The institutionalized racism. If they can´t change their attitudes, what kind of opportunities in life will there be for our immigrants and their/our children?
It will turn out like in France. Riots will brake out. Yepp Twinkly, you made the right decision moving to UK. Atleast it´s better there than here.
But there is some hope, atleast we have our minister for schools Ibrahim Baylan! =) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 22:23:27
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For the law to be effective there needs to be high profile prosecutions by the state against those that break the law.
The UK is FAR from perfect. But MOST people do believe in equal opportunities and multicultralism.
I was in Venice last year on a day when the Senegalese street traders were marching about their lack of rights. I was puzzled as to why they werent in France..given the common language and colonial link. They said even though it was very difficult in Italy, they thought France was MUCH worse.......they respected Uk and its attitude to migrant workers. In Uk most people have a highly developed and rather old fashioned sense of fair play.
To those of you not in UK or USA or Gambia I am interested to know how you ended up in the country you are in..were you born there? DId your parents move there? Do you go for education or for work?
Which countries are the best and worst? Would you like to return to Gambia or do you have reasons not to return? Have you found ways of helping Gambia from a distance? I realise this is alot of questions all in one place! But i am very interested to see what happens to the educated middle class Gambians.....long term , for the future of the country I believe Gambians need to invest their time and skills in their own country. The middle class is what drives countries forward....and they are missing in Gambia........
I understand it is difficult to return to the Gambia for many reasons and I understand it will involve great personal sacrifice...but it is my view that that is what will make a real difference to your homeland...... |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 09:08:46
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Gambiabev, you have excellent and very refreshing views not to mention your thought provoking questions. Allow me to answer your questions in numerical order.
#1. On the question of Africans migration to Europe and America, the answer is tacit. Humans run to where the pasture is greener. Euro-Americans are Europeans that moved to America for better lives. The same goes for Australians and New Zealanders. European immigrants are today the masters and rulers/owners of the regions they once moved to for better lives. The tragic history behind the usurp of European settlements in the Americas, Australia, New Zealand and south Africa can be laid to rest his time, more on this issue later. Remember, there were indigenous natives living in these areas when the Europeans came. The Arab Berbers of North Africa are Arabians. Their forefathers brutally usurp their present North African countries from black Africans. Ancient Egyptians were blacks. But today, Arabs with the help of white historians have revised the black history of Egypt making it an Arab history. More on this issue later. Migration, moving from one place to the other for better lives, hallmarks human history. Migration/exodus of all races is as old as humans on this our planet earth.
#2. The undeniable reality of brain drainage in black Africa should be blamed on the despotisms prevalent in various black African countries. No-one wants to go back home to be murdered for writing a sentence or two or for being vocal against a despotic regime. The current government of Ghana is doing everything in its efforts in creating conducive atmospheres for the “return home” of qualified Ghanaians abroad. The rest of black African governments should follow suit.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 10:00:44
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Yes the issue of what happened to indigenous populations is another MASSIVE issue. People went from uk and elsewhere in europe in search of a better life for their families...in much the same way as Africans today would like to come to the west.
They were 'settling' the country....but there were already local populations. I have been to a Native American reservation in USA. It was very sad to see these people being used as a tourist attraction and their life style and crafts etc being treated like a museum.
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 11:49:06
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Which countries are the best and worst?
I know it is popular among some people (mainly intellectuals) here in Europe to sometimes sit and zip red wine and curse USA, and me too don´t like their role of playing the world police. There is still lots of racism especially in the South and other issues they need to deal with.
But the fact is that the black middleclass in the USA has grown steady for the past 30 years. They have good education, good economy, own their own houses.
I really do believe that educated people can succeed and get a good life in that country no matter what colour, if the will is there. There are many more opportunities there than in Europe, in that stance USA IS superior if you ask me. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 15:25:23
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Yes that is true, there is a well established black middle class in USA...... but then also an underclass........ Perhaps the best and worst of worlds..... EDUCATION and family aspirations seems to be the key and it is possible in USA for a black person to be successful.
In the deep south there is still ALOT of racism, almost apartied. |
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