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Momodou
Denmark
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 Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 20:19:19
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
He not only be castrated but put into solitary confinement for the whole length of his sentence.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister Omega, the man might be out within the next four years because he will never serve the full 10 years. The mother is already out and moved to another location in the country to decrease the risk of the children meeting her on the street. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 20:59:16
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That's definitely a travasty of Justice. The mother needs to be sterilised and forbidden to have any contact with children. If she is mentally ill then she should be locked up in a secure mental hospital. It seems that the Danish authorities are condoning this type of behaviour with such lienent sentencing. Where is the deterent aspect of it?
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inez
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 21:53:55
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These things are happening all the time every where, mostly we hear/read about it in Europe. It won´t stop unless the punishment will be really hard, harder than now. No money in this world can give those children their life or trust back again. My personal opinion is to not only to castrate them with a very slow knife, but also to let them bleed until they loose their lives, in public!!!
People who do this to children, specially parents, have lost their right to even be human beings anymore and should not be allowed to walk around free. And it´s not any excuse for the mother being scitchofrenic...I know people with that illness and they don´t harm their children that way. I guess the parents met eachother at mental hospital...I do feel that mothers even have a bigger responsibility and they should be there for there children in first place, if they notice the father is not behaving as a father should, they need to take the children awáy and protect them. If children can´t trust their parents, who can they trust? |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 14:25:26
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| so right sister.they may have become mad together. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 18:03:11
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| this one you can stone to death, the loss of innocence cannot be forgiven |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2007 : 00:24:02
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Originally posted by Alhassan
Cornelius,
I am entiatled to my opinion. I shall not accept you calling somebodys posting crap. I expect you to behave like an adult. Remember this forum is not a religious one. I suggest the adminstartor to delete all religious matters here. It just confuses us. Furthermore, we are not at all intrested in the teachings of the tora. I belive in the Quran period.
These religious postings do not contribute something possitive. All those intrested in religious discussions should create a new forum, or for the Muslims try Islamiccity.com ,for the Jews you can log on to Israel.com or what ever.
I do not take these religious confussions lightly. You can say what ever you want ,but cut the religious crap. Every time you reply you quote the tora. I suggest you get to the point, and stop looking for converts or starting unneccessary arguements here. We know you are Phd and educated. Stop beating about the bush with the Tora.Today you are Mohammed tomorrow you are cornelius.
I personally am fedup with this crap.
Al Hassan,
I was born Cornelius and I do not hope to die as Mohammed.
The fakir is not arguing out of the poverty of a malnourished mind.
I also have personal views on what is/was child marriage in Islamic/ Islamized culture which is one of many loci in which such has been practiced.
Ethics is a vast area and whether the subject is the value of life, the death penalty, circumcision, abortion, castration, or suicide bombing, God's TORAH is my authority.
This does not mean that every discussion on morality or ethics is necessarily a religious discussion.
As you may or may not know (I cannot take everything for granted with you) at some time Turkish jihadists used to castrate their foes, even after they had killed them, “So that they do not enjoy in paradise – or jahana….”
Eunuchs that were stationed to take care of their bosses' harems were subjected to castration, which is forbidden in Islam.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=CASTRATION&meta=
Al Hassan, do try to be more tolerant. ( I am capable of ignoring what you say - I do have much better, literate, educated and enlightened Muslim company to enjoy in discussing any topic under the sky, so please understand that I'm only trying to accord you some respect, by even responding to this your trite piece of nothing)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Castration+in+Islam&meta=
I read Thomas Nagel’s “Mortal Questions” about a quarter of a century ago. In the hope that it will broaden someone’s outlook just a fraction, that’s why I post the link, but you may well do without it:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Thomas+Nagel+%22+Mortal+Questions%22&btnG=Search&meta=
Many black men were lynched and castrated in US history, simply because a white woman complained to her husband, that the Negro was looking at her in a funny way…..
Since there is always the possibility of misjudgement and miscarriage of Justice, we ought to reserve the right to disagree and even point to your authority, beyond idolatry and the man-made law. Yet we must all obey and be obedient to the laws of the land in which we live.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=HIstory+of
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I'm sure that Torbjorn Tännsjö,
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Torbjorn+T%C3%A4nnsj%C3%B6&btnG=Search&meta=
who chaired this philosophy lecture that I attended would himself not object to a review of diverse views on the subject matter of CASTRATION or female circumscicion or even prostitution.
http://www.paideia-eu.org/index.php?link=5&sublink=3&event=97 |
Edited by - Cornelius on 25 Feb 2007 02:10:20 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2007 : 20:41:29
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Did everyone suddenly turn ultra right wing on this forum? I cant believe these postings!
I wonder if the mother was frightened of the man? Perhaps she was being abused by him too? Perhaps she was his victim as well? Perhaps she is mentally ill. If these things are true why would you punish her? She needs treatment and support to rebuild her life. If she was well and met a good man she may be capable of being a good mother.
The man in the case is clearly a very sick man. These men dont respond well to treatment and are always a threat. I think he should be locked away for life. |
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 00:42:09
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Originally posted by Cornelius
[blue]Al Hassan,
I was born Cornelius and I do not hope to die as Mohammed.
The fakir is not arguing out of the poverty of a malnourished mind.
I also have personal views on what is/was child marriage in Islamic/ Islamized culture which is one of many loci in which such has been practiced.
Ethics is a vast area and whether the subject is the value of life, the death penalty, circumcision, abortion, castration, or suicide bombing, God's TORAH is my authority.
This does not mean that every discussion on morality or ethics is necessarily a religious discussion.
As you may or may not know (I cannot take everything for granted with you) at some time Turkish jihadists used to castrate their foes, even after they had killed them, ?So that they do not enjoy in paradise ? or jahana?.?
Eunuchs that were stationed to take care of their bosses' harems were subjected to castration, which is forbidden in Islam.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=CASTRATION&meta=
Al Hassan, do try to be more tolerant. ( I am capable of ignoring what you say - I do have much better, literate, educated and enlightened Muslim company to enjoy in discussing any topic under the sky, so please understand that I'm only trying to accord you some respect, by even responding to this your trite piece of nothing)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Castration+in+Islam&meta=
I read Thomas Nagel?s ?Mortal Questions? about a quarter of a century ago. In the hope that it will broaden someone?s outlook just a fraction, that?s why I post the link, but you may well do without it:.......................
Uncle Corne.
Momodou didn't tell us whether 'castration' is part of the Denish law.
If it is, as the law may apply, nothing should stop it from being done to the man.
I understand the people's frustration on the issue, but if that is done on him, and not part of the law, then what justice are we preaching in this forum.
What ever the law says regarding the magnitude of the crime he committed, should be what should be done to him.
and i condemn his incest sickness and subjecting his blood kins to abuse. his actions can never be right in any court of law. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 00:43:32
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| Or may be a modification of the current Dennish law at hand. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 06:35:07
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i was not following this topic apart from the very begining but i saw coni making reference to me about some thing am not aware of .i am not aware of any of us campaigning for denish people to change their law for the man to be casterated .all we are doing is just having an imaginary discussion . there is currently no liberal political party in the globe . each party can be right wing ,left or centre depending on public opinion so the so call right wing party are only arrousing public sentiment .the bantaba is an interesting forum but i don't think the denish people read our discussions to shape their opinion. taking things out of proportion is bad for a healthy debate.
gambaibev , now an again we see mothers been accomplice to child molestation all over the world so trying to defend some demented mothers is an injustice to every caring and good mothers. if she is sick ,then she should have seek help .the law will protect her .remember demark is a develope country ,they have all the mechanism to defend the right of the child and the mother. i can't recall the acult movement in u.s where the the mother figure sleep with her adopted children ,with the cult leader. she end up hiding in protugal .this kind of crimes should be punish severely.issues like terrorism and so on take huge amount of media space but crimes aginst children some times go unnotice why ? because one can be sensasionalise the other can hardly be.
to coni ,i choose not to google the web-page you brought for my attention ,nowadays you don't know were a web-page takes you. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 07:57:20
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| i don't know these things shock me so much but i hope he goes to jail for life where other prisoners can rape him repeatedly. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 12:50:30
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Santanfara,
“Don’t be afraid, be a man!” That’s what my first Swedish dentist (Värnhede) told me in ’72 as he asked me “Are you a communist?” after I had surrendered my gaping mouth to him. I shook my head vigorously at the sound of the electric drill.
My Sierra Leone dentist (dentist Cummings) also told me the same one Easter Monday when I went to his home in pain. No anaesthetic, too deep in Easter jollification and slight insobriety, he took out his pliers and told me what you are now reading: Be a man!
What you say is true: “Nowadays you don't know where a web-page takes you.” But you’ve got to be brave, even when you open your front door in the morning.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enSE205SE205&sa=X&oi=
spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Castration+complex&spell=1
There is so much of a hue and cry about paedophiles that it leaves me wondering HOW MANY ARE THERE in some of the communities in which we live?
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=sv&q=+How+many+paedophiles+are+there+in+Europe%3F&btnG=S%C3%B6k
All manner of vile reports of children being violated, some reports so unimaginable - and could you believe it that to work in a school in Sweden you actually have to get clearance from the police, that you are not a paedophile? Yet in spite of this, many a time it is the very people who have obtained such clearance who turn out to be paedophiles - so it would seem working with children is their paradise and happy hunting ground.
Of course if any of my daughters or my son had ever reported such, the reaction would have been unimaginable, even for this forum. Same with FGM.
The history of CASTRATION:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=A+history+of+castration&btnG=Google+Search
Apart from the Danish example that is our subject matter, here are a few others. The newspapers report such depravity every day of the year:
http://www.google.se/search?rlz=1T4GGLJ_enSE205SE205&hl=sv&q=Paedophile+reports&meta=
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enSE205SE205&q=Press++reports+%3APaedophiles&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
Like murder, castration is an act of violence against human decency (and integrity) in this case the beheading of a virile male member – of course there is what is called a “castration complex” – there is even “penis envy”…….
One thing is certain: We don’t have this kind of barbarity in Africa South of the Sahara and if we did, it seems that most people would just line them all up for execution…….
Some years ago I got a call from a Ghanaian friend living in the North of Sweden. Have you heard, she asked, and told me that a Swedish tourist (a paedophile) had been clobbered to death by an angry mob, in Ghana. They had found him in congress with a little Ghanaian boy and street justice had taken its due course. He will not return to the scene of the crime.
It is basically a question of common sense and decency that touches our most basic human values and in our hearts we know who and what is a human being, what childhood is, just as we know the Golden Rule.
However I should think that Muslims would enquire as to what SHARIA LAW requires..... as you know the gates of Ijitihad are still open to the Imamiyya and to substitute the kufr of Sodom and Gemorra is idolatry:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=sv&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Sodom+and+Gomorra&spell=1
Al-Hassan,
Since you don't belong to the non-reading generation, here's the good news:
Academi is selling off their books at 30% .
There's also a book sale at HEDENGRENS.........just in case you want to respond to the command, IRQA!
I have made my reservations at the latter (2,500 Kr.)
After that I'm going to see Imam Saidu Taal.
It’s now 15.15 ……
Perhaps - if I'm lucky, you will be there? |
Edited by - Cornelius on 26 Feb 2007 15:18:22 |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 16:04:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius
Al-Hassan,
Since you don't belong to the non-reading generation, here's the good news:
Academi is selling off their books at 30% .
There's also a book sale at HEDENGRENS.........just in case you want to respond to the command, IRQA!
I have made my reservations at the latter (2,500 Kr.)
After that I'm going to see Imam Saidu Taal.
It’s now 15.15 ……
Perhaps - if I'm lucky, you will be there?
I am sorry to tell you that I am busy at work until about 18.00 hrs.
I work outside Stockholm and travel to SAAB Linköping. I am sorry but one day we shall meet Cornelius or Mohammed.
I do not go to buy books only when they are cheap. I buy them when I need them. The price does not matter for me. Otherwise I am a member of some book klubs and can order through them. Readers Digest or the Time. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 17:56:35
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All people working with children in the UK have to have police checks. This is a good thing, it is an attempt to protect children. In the past many people such as scout leaders and priests abused children. Now it is more in the open.
In the Gambia I wonder if it happens less? Or is it talked about less? In 1950s Britain it wasnt spoken of, but it did happen.
Usually, but not always, it is men that do these things to children ( straight men). We need to listen to our children and pick up if they are upset about something. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 20:22:14
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| coni ,being a man goes with taking responsilities for your actions. i am not afraid of any thing that i can control . i bought a computer just yesterday which was having some information that shouldn't have been there. so would some one just take my words for breaking the law. some web-sites are listed under surf-control ,and i don't have the time or energy to engage busy bodies. i will choose which link to read and which not to read. thanks. the whole casteration issue is just a mere discussion which will hardly lead to any thing. gambiabev ,abuse of children could happen in the gambia ,human are one family ,we are all subsestible to pervasions .the issue is why do people go so low in fullfilling their desires? yet many things previously considered as an abominations are openly accepted as normal . this is human characteistics. no one is perfect but a little self-restrain is what is needed. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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