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jammin
Jamaica
149 Posts |
 Posted - 11 Nov 2006 : 23:14:28
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I CAME ACROSS THIS FACT AND AM WONDERING WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN GAMBIA. ARE THEY INTEGRARED IN THE SOCIETY, OR ON SOME KIND OF HOLIDAY? PLEASE ENGLIGHTEN ME.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2006 : 08:45:09
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| I should imagine they migrated to Gambia when they thought home was too dangerous to be? |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2006 : 19:11:16
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they are part of the community and arrived because of the war in sierra leone, it is an interesting fact that some africans nationals cannot return home ,
one no papers/passport they left their homelands quickly
political refugees, looking for a peaceful place to spend their money
economic refugees same as polical refugees.
I asked one women if she would return home, she said yes but it would be hard because she had a life in Gambia and her land in sierra leone belonged to someone else.
two they have settled in gambia and are unsure of what to expect when they return home.
they get second hand news and are not sure of their status/situation if they could manage to go home.
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jammin
Jamaica
149 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 05:17:32
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@jambo are you suggesting that the leoneons have been totally integrated into the gambian way of life? i have a particular interest in this matter. I see that your location is in Gambia and therefore i assume you might have a more intimate knowledge of their situation.These are some of the questions i would love you to answer:
1) can they work within the country, or do they require a permit?
2) what about marriages? do they cross marry? ie. Gambians
3) do you believe that they contribute to the bumsters and prostitution problem?
There are other question i would love you to answer on this particular matter. however i will await your your response to this one. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 12:07:37
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not sure about question 3, what is that got to do with being sierra leone , a lot of west african nationals are prostitutes and bumsters in Gambia. If you are in Gambia go and visit Senegambia and other tourists areas and see for yourself, it is not hidden.
1) has been mentioned in the education section some are teachers, they have set up businesses in lots of trades.
3) marriage is between two people it will cross all nationalities, at lot will depend on religion.
why have you a particular interest in this matter. Not intimate knowledge, but can be an observor, people watching is great, also red the newspapers. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 12:57:25
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During British rule Gambia at one time was administered from Serria leone. There have been quite along history of Gambian and Serria Leone marriages. I personally know quite a few people whose parenrs are Gambian and Serria Leonean.
This wave of immigration is because of the war. Gambia took in a lot of Serria Leonian refugees. Yes Serria Leoneans are allowed to work in Gambia, and yes some work in the tourist industry as barmaids.
The major cause of bumster and prostitution problem is poverty not Serria Leoneans. Why the negative divide and rule questions tagetting Serria Leoneans they are Africans who belong to the AU and ECOWAS why shouldn't they be in Gambia?
Many Serria Leonians have experienced terrible effects of war with all the brutality that goes along with it, plus more, and Gambia extended its arm of humanity and rescued a lot of Serria Leonean refugees especially when they were kicked out of Guinea Conkary. Gambia was also instrumental in broking peace to end the war by getting different sides of the Serria leonean militia to sit down at the negogiation table and sign a peace deal.
Peace
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 14 Nov 2006 13:05:39 |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 15:31:03
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| thank you sister |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 18:16:36
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There are no aliens in this world of ours.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=What+Sierra+leone+and+the+Gambia+had+in+common&spell=1
25% of Sierra Leone's most qualified teachers are now working in the Gambia.
Sure, Africa and Africans must unite - not just by marriage - and teachers are making their own contributions.
The conditions of service in the Gambia are so enticing that in fifty years from now, you'll hear many an urchin saying " My grandfather/ mother is from Sierra Leone."
I have a few Gambian friends ( e.g. Baxt) who were born in Sierra Leone and others raised in Sierra Leone.
In Sierra Leone, I went to school with a few Gambians (have named them before.
Sadly Charles Jow, and John Ndow who were either a year or two ahead of me in School, are both in the Hereafter.
I last met John Ndow in 1970, in Accra, Ghana when he was on a WAEC conference.
At that time Musa Gaye the present Finance Minister of the Gambia and I were students at Legon....
So you see due to circumstance/ fate people travel and there's no telling when we will meet again, Mr. Gaye and the How-do-you-do will still be like McQueen’s “God or Bad?”
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/louis+armstrong/what+a+wonderful+world_20085347.html
Well, Sierra Leone and the Gambia have so many things in common apart from Cricket, a common Court of appeal, Exams Council…..people…. two principals of the School I attended in Sierra Leone, (The Prince of Wales School which was opened by the Prince of Wales himself when he visited Sierra Leone in 1925) were Gambians: Mr. A.T. Thomas – the father of Aman Thomas and Mr. W. F. Conton, the author of “The African”- he also taught me English in the fourth form.
So you see how things, even teachers go around…. And no questions, “What are/ were Gambians doing in Sierra Leone?”
News is that the present Prince of Wales will be visiting Sierra Leone towards the end of this month as I had dreamed and spoken of two years ago - and of course he will visit the school that bears his name. N.B. The Prince of Wales school was the only school in Sierra Leone which did NOT teach religion in my time……
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Prince+Charles+to+visit+Sierra+Leone&btnG=Search&meta=
Welcome to Sierra Leone and don’t nobody axe, “What is he doing there?”
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 18:39:49
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| Well said, Pro Cornelius."Ar say Jammim left Sierra Leone alone bow eh ehh na wala". |
There is no god but Allah |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 18:39:53
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1)Most foreigners including S/Leonians in the Gambia required a resident permit renewable yearly for fee of about 700 dalasis in around the year 2000.
2)Yes ,they do marry outside their community. I have a S/Leonian friend who married a Gambian woman and has kids with her.Another dear friend of mine , a Nigerian married to a S/Leonian woman and has a kid by her.
3)They may contribute to the problem of bumsters and prostitution. Sometime in 1998 I was having an evening at Senegambia Beach with two friends and the ladies who showed up at our table to "chat us up" that night were all S/Leonians , but that does not mean the blame should be put squarely on them. Gambians equally contribute to these social problems.
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jammin
Jamaica
149 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 23:33:47
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i am deeply sorry that my questions were so misread. they were nothing more than that.... Questions!! i have no issue with Sierra Leoneans being in The Gambia. my questions were design to elicit reponses that could enlighten me on their current status. As i also have said, my reasons for asking is of a personal nature. your comments would assist me in making a particular decision, and this is why i asked.
i take this opportunity to ask you good people to enlighten me as much as is possible on this particular subject. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 09:18:59
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WHAT ARE SIERRA LEONEANS DOING IN THE GAMBIA?
At first I thought that the title was disingenuous but I was as curious as Jammin when I read Jammin’s posting ” I CAME ACROSS THIS FACT AND AM WONDERING WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN GAMBIA. ARE THEY INTEGRARED IN THE SOCIETY, OR ON SOME KIND OF HOLIDAY? PLEASE ENGLIGHTEN ME.”
Jammin, your concern is much appreciated and I hope that it carries over to the attention of the authorities in the Gambia and Sierra Leone, to try to make things better for them - for us. In the absence of a good social network, social security for the impoverished, perhaps assistance to repatriate those who are suffering all the pains and anxieties of separation from their families, and of course there are a number of orphans among us and we know what the Quran says about orphans. Rasulullah, salallahu alaihi wa salaam was one.
Some enlightenment has followed that enquiry (Jambo’s, Sister Omega’s and Kayjatta’s) and as a Sierra Leonean you can well understand how interested I am in the plight of Sierra Leoneans and Gambians, wherever we may be.
What is absolutely clear is that large numbers of Sierra Leoneans – about a million- have been made refugees outside of Sierra Leone, mostly in Guinea - because of a war that became increasingly cruel as it spread across the country and eventually engulfed the whole country. It lasted eleven years and no one could stop it before 2002.
To give you an idea of the Human cost – the cost in life, property, the death of morality in the absence of security, and the sexual slavery that was part of the war, brothers and sisters’ keeper, just take a look at this (remembering that the Gambia is only $600 million in debt…..)
Sierra Leone:
http://allafrica.com/stories/200611140862.html
http://www.concordtimessl.com/
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=the+war+in+Sierra+leone%2C+1991-2002&meta=
The history of African migrations as a result of all types of upheavals is mostly a very distressing one. The very genesis of Jamaica – a part of Africa Diaspora – most intimately connected with Sierra Leone – to which many Jamaicans returned and from which place and Ghana, many Jamaicans originally departed.
I am sure that Sierra Leoneans feel as at home in the Gambia as in Ghana, Nigeria, and neighbouring Liberia and Guinea where the colonial borders do not separate the ethnicity of the Mandinka, the Fula the Vai from their Mandinka, Fula and Mende brothers and sisters in Sierra Leone.
With the resurrection of the Mali empire we would know that we are at worst provinces of that empire…………
ONE PEOPLE
I am very pressed for time just now, but I’d like to take up a few aspects of our current dilemma: the problem of widespread prostitution of Sierra Leone refugee women in the Gambia - despite the all pervasive Islamic and high state of cultural morality that embraces all Gambia – a morality that has to some extent been corrupted by the tourist trade – and I tell you that before the advent of missionary colonisation in Yorubaland, there was no word for prostitute in the Yoruba language either.- although today “Ashawo” is a the universal Nigerian lingua franca for “the world’s oldest profession.” In the aftermath of the slavetrade and the Biafra war.
When I arrived in Ghana in January 1970, Nigerians- mostly Yoruba traders were being deported from otherwise most wonderful Ghana under Kofi Busia, (with the black star in the centre, representing the freedom of Africa). I changed my hard earned dollars to help them. In January 1983 more than a million Ghanaians were deported from Nigeria. The mobility and freedom of movement within ECOWAS notwithstanding……
My time is up now and I would like to continue with the focus on the problem of prostitution and what can be done about it – the commercial and sexual exploitation of women –the mothers of creation, is un-Islamic and we should do something about it. This morning Swedish newspapers report about the problem, and in this country, SWEDEN, the buying of sex has been criminalised…….
Later…..
Aligator……
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Edited by - Cornelius on 15 Nov 2006 10:41:08 |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 17:26:54
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so Jammin, have the answers to your question helped you with your decision, or would you like more be a sport what the "particular decision you have to make" |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 18:16:20
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| How about Sierra Leoneans marrying Europeans? My sister married a Sierra Leonean she met in the Gambia when she was living there for some time. He was working as a waiter in the Gambia, even though he had a good diploma in Hotel Management from S.L. They came back to Holland 7 years ago and my sister's husband now has a degree in Business Administration from one of our Dutch universities. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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jammin
Jamaica
149 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 18:34:57
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ok. i was contacted by someone in gambia on the possibilities of relocating to jamaica. i have been seeking out the requirements at this end. i was given a story by this individual, and so i wanted to verify the authenticity of the claims. since i am not in Gambia and my knowledge of the country is very limited i thought it might be a good idea to seek the counsel of "experts" in that field.
I have discovered this. Gambia give to the refugees a "CARD" a kind of identity paper, but my friend says he has a Sierra Leon passport which he got five years ago.
I want to believe he is telling me the truth, but i also know there are people out there whoy will abuse your trust.
So am sure you can now understand, as i am deliberating the matter the more information i have, the better a decision i will make. |
Like a colossus He doth bestride the Narrow World |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 18:43:48
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quote:
Originally posted by jammin
ok. i was contacted by someone in gambia on the possibilities of relocating to jamaica. i have been seeking out the requirements at this end. i was given a story by this individual, and so i wanted to verify the authenticity of the claims. since i am not in Gambia and my knowledge of the country is very limited i thought it might be a good idea to seek the counsel of "experts" in that field.
I have discovered this. Gambia give to the refugees a "CARD" a kind of identity paper, but my friend says he has a Sierra Leon passport which he got five years ago.
I want to believe he is telling me the truth, but i also know there are people out there whoy will abuse your trust.
So am sure you can now understand, as i am deliberating the matter the more information i have, the better a decision i will make.
Gambia has no asylum laws and therefore refugees get a Card from UNHCR. |
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