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bread man
300 Posts |
 Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 18:27:06
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I see so many postings that are anti Jammeh, but who are these people that only have negative opinions about our dear leader? When was the last time they step foot back home? What do they know about Jammeh? Nothing!!!!! They are just sitting in the comfort of their big living rooms in Europe and America with a computer and a big brain full of grudges for our developments. Pls, instead of argueing about Jammeh´s bad administration, come back home and see the support he has. Be also aware that his support is not just out of the blues, but within a justified arena of development that the Gambians are seeing. I was in The Gambia during the campaign period up to the elections and he is the one the Gambians wanted. The results spoke for themselves. Now, why not join in helping develop The Gambia. If you are an economist he will welcome your ideas. In whatever you are qualified, be sure to extend your ideas and he will listen. I promise.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 19:09:17
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Breadman. Thakns for your courage to speak up for what you believe in but be also prepared to hear what others have to say.
Its true he won and i fully accept the results that he is our president for the next 5 years. That is democracy. I don’t think any one hates him. Opposing ideas about the way forward is a healthy recipe in a democracy. Unfortunately many of his supporters think the opposite and have coined the termed " saboteur" to any one who shares a different opinion. I think Gambian politics has not matured enough for MPs to criticize their own parties. Ask Duta Kamaso about that.
In parliamentary politics, there a position called the CHIEF WHIP whose role is to keep the cabinet informed about feelings among the governments backbenchers and see how those who disagree with their party in parliament could be brought in line. You may call him the shepherd in parliament.
As to economic jobs talk to Dominic Mendy, Koro Ceesay, Ebrima Ceesay, Batchi Baldeh, and many others who wrote the blue print of Vision 2020. May i remind you that all those who drafted that vision 2020, have all been fired but who are now top international civil servants benefiting other people instead of their own people. Some are in South Africa helping develop energy which NAWEC so badly needs, others are with the United Nations etc. It seems that those dismissed, tend to land in better jobs. Perhaps, perhaps, it’s a blessing in disguise and may be every one should pray to be fired by the government.
Even God has enemies and he creates life and yet he has remained tolerant and provides sustenance to every body irrespective of whether one worships him or not. By the way, probably less than ten percent of Gambian Muslims pray all the five daily prayers at the exact time including myself but i still ask for help from Him.
Gambling is very common in our country which boast of 85% Muslim. The GNL is a legitimized Gambling corporation. I have found many people with long KHAFTANS OR TURBANS buying tickets. In fact this morning, I found one asking for the prize of the QUINTO along Kairaba Avenue on a HOLY day like Friday and during Ramadan. I could not but laugh.
Lets pray for Jammeh to be a bit tolerant to other people as we are all Gambians and only differ not in goals and objectives about where we want to take Gambia, but in modus operandi.
I believe every Gambian should be patriotic and love his country to be the best. But that includes being able to criticize and stand up for one’s beliefs. If we agree on that, then we should be able to sit down and listen to each other, praise where one does good but caution if there is a mistake.
In the United States, some people express this by burning the National Flag. The Senate recently tried to band the right to burn the flag as a protest and failed. By burning the flag, one sends the message that what is happening was not in the name of the Country and therefore shame on the decision makers.
If i make mistake, let me know and i will apologize, but also allow others to point out other people's mistakes. It is part of humility to understand that we are human and therefore not infallible.
Like the Wollofs say: KU BOT BOOKI, KHAJJ BOW LA. A better example is, SO BUGEH DON MBAHANA, DANGA NANGO DON DALLAH.
The first quote means if you carry a wolf on your back, expect the dogs to bark at you. The second quote means, if you want to be a hat and don on our heads, then you must first be prepared to be a shoe, to be trampled upon.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 19:19:19
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Kons i agree wit all but one of ur points. That's about the sacking of certain people. Its not only the BRAIN that's needed BUT their HEARTS. Ask Batchi and Dominic why they where sacked? Remember when Batchi was sacked , Dominic was his minister or secretary of state, wen the energy portfolio was still at Trade Industry. No way for STICKY FINGERS or DAFA NGAW(he/she is smart).
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 19:45:42
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Kons i agree wit all but one of ur points. That's about the sacking of certain people. Its not only the BRAIN that's needed BUT their HEARTS. Ask Batchi and Dominic why they where sacked? Remember when Batchi was sacked , Dominic was his minister or secretary of state, wen the energy portfolio was still at Trade Industry. No way for STICKY FINGERS or DAFA NGAW(he/she is smart).
MAWDO AACHU HACKEH
HACKEH ALA. KO ALLAH YAFFATA.
But you see the energy portfolio has moved many times and infact to statehouse and yet no results. But there are areas in the gambia that get 24 hours electricity. Until those houses have black out, dont expect improvement. Well i dont know what Batchi or Dominic did, however, there is a saying in schools of management that "if no none seems to meet your standards, then it is time to review yourself and goals".
Whilst he has 1.5 million Gambians to choose from for positions, not all the 1.5 million are of quality. Therefore the process has become a hit and miss affair. Many of these have spent years to noture experience and skills which cannot be gained overnight. More haste less speed. A masters Degree in UK rakes atleast 30, 000.00 pounds equivalent to 1.5 million dalasis.
Unless you begin to see its impact financially, then you will not see the magnitude. Like the mandinka's say"
NI YEH LA WOULO FAA WANDI WOULO YEH, FELEH BAYE LOONG, IBUKA SUBO SOTO. (If you kill your hunting dog for someone else's dog, on the day of hunting, you dont have meat.) |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2006 : 01:39:47
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Bread man I agree with you. We need repartriation, there are tones of Gambian graduates in US and UK enjoying the cool weather eating big mac, and have no intention to go back. Should we adhere to their western ideology which is full of contradictions. The answer is definately nooooo. Jammeh did a lot, I was not aware of the developments, until when I went to Gambia last June. Any sector you talk about in the Gambia had significant improvement. What next do we want? I had been an opposition sympathizer before but thats a history now.
Time for us to face the reality. I am confident that anyone Jammeh hired and then fired, then the person must have done something that is not in conformity with the rules. What hold them to speak out if they feel that they were wrongly fired. United we stand divided we fall. Lets work together for the betterment of our motherland. Zero torelance on false accusation, anyone who tramps the law will be dealt with according to the law. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2006 : 10:15:31
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We APPLAUD the MASSIVE DEVELOPMENTS but as victims of system and haunted by STATE TERROR AGENTS TO TRAMPLE OUR HUMAN AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, political harassments and political criminilisation of CITIZENS, ARBITARY ARRESTS AND DETETIONS are the issues and other APPREHENSIONS we want RE-ORIENTAION on them and properly insitute or improve the democratic structures IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL UNITY. Its not about opposition party politics but LIBERTY, HUMAN DIGNITY, A DECENT LIFE AND RESPECT FOR CITIZENS RIGHTS!
FUTURE is the PAST! Its a NEW ERA and we have to learn from the past to improve upon the WEAKNESSES and the role of LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HUMAN RIGHTS to make ALL CITIZENS STABLE, SAFE AND SECURE in the motherland. Motherland is DEAREST!
MANY FAMILIES HAS BEEN SHATTERED AND HOPES TORN APART ON THEIR BELOVED ONES!
God belss Gambia!
PEACE! |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2006 : 13:02:52
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Despite the fact that I am pro Jammeh now, but there has been gross voilation of human rights under his regime. Jammeh needs to re-consider the judiciary system which should be independent and free of baisness. Jammeh should also learn more about ethics. He lacks that too, and needs orientation. His public speak are never correct is all geared towards insighting fear on us. He must stop treatening the citizens.
Why is that pro Jammeh supporter are not arrested, torture, humiliate or detain like the opposition supporters. Does it mean that they are above the law. No man is above the law and Jammeh will face the commission to explain to the Gambian masses how he acquire his wealth. I learnt that July 22nd 1994, he had less than $10 in his account. So how suddenly he is richer than the state.
Jammeh you need to clear that if you want transparent in the system. Clean your house first and then go from there.
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
162 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2006 : 16:12:10
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I have been to the Gambia and though I've seen improvement in the infrastructures, there has been a decline in the standard of living of most Gambians’. A lot of people have resorted to asking for money if they feel you could be of assistance to them.
Most of the buildings I saw built i.e. Hospitals and new multi story buildings in Fajara, Kotu e.t.c. sat vacant at the time (less than one year ago). Not sure what the status is now.
I also witnessed the constant harassment that the security forces and the police meted out on the general public with their pointless roadblocks every couple of miles. Even driving by the police stations such as the one in Manjai-Kunda warrants being stopped and questioned. The only way out is to bribe the personnel even though you have done nothing wrong. I must have spent D3000.00+ on bribing security personnel during my 6 week visit. What a damn shame.
My overall assessment of the situation on the ground is the positive changes do not outweigh the negative. Corruption exists from the top all the way down to bouncers at local bars. Please have a look at this article which shows how Corrupt Government Officials undermined TRUE development projects that would have created jobs, with kickback demands:
http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Home/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/1067/Breaking-NewsShocking-Revelations-AT-The-DC-EAW-Court--With-GG-Famara-Jatta-faces-court/Default.aspx
Very sad indeed.
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2006 : 18:08:48
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you real get the point.the gambia infakt the whole africa need visionary man like yahya.the rest are just a P O L I T I C A L Y-SELFISHNESS.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2006 : 01:22:55
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Originally posted by mbay
you real get the point.the gambia infakt the whole africa need visionary man like yahya.the rest are just a P O L I T I C A L Y-SELFISHNESS.
Breadman and Mbay I can bet Jammeh (in some quarters a hardliner!) is the AFRICAN DREAM if he decry with courage to eliminate INJUSTICES, ARBITARY ARRESTS, DETENTIONS AND TORTURE BY UNPROFESSIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS OR CRIMININALS DUE TO BLATANT ABUSE OF CITIZENS HUMAN AND CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS OR AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF DISMANTLE STATE TERROR AGENTS DOING THE DIRTY JOBS AGAINST HIS OPPONENTS WILFULLY UNDER HIS INSTRUCTIONS OR WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT!
Its a NEW ERA and it is incumbent on him to ARREST THE SITUATION, do a proper housekeeping and ensure that law enforcement agents observe professional ethics and high standards to guarantee BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS to its ABIDING CITIZENS and liberalise freedom of speech and association. APRC is an alliance for re-orientation (RE-THINKING!) political ideology and hope all patriots would appreciate these constructive critisms without fear or favour. Opposition parties are also key players within a democratic structure of governance.
That would accomplish the ARICAN DREAM, PEACE AND STABILITY for the NEW ERA for the 21st Century!
God Bless Gambia!
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2006 : 04:12:18
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LEGAL ISSUES AND HUMAN RIGHTS RECORDS OF PAKISTAN; A Plea For Mercy: Campaigners rail at Musharraf as Briton faces execution tomorrow under http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article1772359.ece
QUOTES EXTRACTED:
"Pakistan has a very high execution rate, and decisions are arbitrary," said the organisation's Sarah Greene. "This case remains on a knife edge."
The case reflects international concern about the human rights record in Pakistan, where some 7,000 people are on death row and, according to a recent Amnesty report, "torture and ill-treatment are endemic; arbitrary and unlawful arrest and detention are a growing problem; extrajudicial executions of criminal suspects are frequent."
DEMOCRACY VARY FROM COUNTRY TO COUNTRY? IS THERE ANY HAVEN WHERE A PROPER DEMOCRACY EXISTS? Brought it up to compare and contrast with Gambian democracy in qquestion!!! Don't know where this world is heading to? All that glitters is not GOLD!
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2006 : 16:43:43
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| You see brothers and sisters, Gambia is as democratic as it possibly can. We cannot import the western way of democracy that has only to do with character assassination and rude attacks towards our leaders. Our religions ask us to respect our elders and leaders so let us take our own tradition as the base of democracy. Only in that way can we accept the will of the people. Jammeh is not just an elected president for the Gambia but a man with a good vision for the Gambia. Lets give the man a genuine chance to develop our country. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 02:22:31
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Breadman its high time we address the SYSTEM. Its not that we are against Jammeh it is the SYSTEM that maintains LAW AND ORDER. It is CRIMINAL to trample on a citizens human and constitutional rights. Since you or any member don't want to be subjected to HARASSMENT, ABUSE AND ARBITARY ARRESTS AND DETENTIONS, SECRETE TORTURE, VICTIMISATION, ARSONS against opponents by the Police, Soldiers or N.I.A or UNLAWFUL ACTS BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS, I expected you to support for change in attitude and approach to tackle certain citizens who are unfortunate to be the victims of the political system!
Hope you have an idea of what has been happening in the PAST and we should strive to avoid as much mistakes as possible for the NEW ERA! Don't you aggree that DIVIDE AND RULE POLICY does not suit us as GAMBIANS with our traditional living in PEACE AND HARMONY! |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 19:13:57
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Originally posted by bread man
You see brothers and sisters, Gambia is as democratic as it possibly can. We cannot import the western way of democracy that has only to do with character assassination and rude attacks towards our leaders. Our religions ask us to respect our elders and leaders so let us take our own tradition as the base of democracy. Only in that way can we accept the will of the people. Jammeh is not just an elected president for the Gambia but a man with a good vision for the Gambia. Lets give the man a genuine chance to develop our country.
Ebra
You are really funny. What religion are you talking about which says we should follow our leaders? If you mean Islam, then you are really wrong. In Islamic jurisprudence, laws are not made by leaders but based on Shariah law, which is believed to be a Divine code of conduct just like the Ten Commandments of Moses. Going against the Ten Commandments means going against God not the leader.
Don’t try to confuse us. If you don’t understand Islam, i would advise you to learn more and stop making false statements. That is why the first Holy revelation says: IQRA BISMI RABIKA LAZI KHALAKA, KHALAKAL INSAN MIN KHALAK. (READ IN THE NAME OF YOUR LORD…) The prophet even asked Muslims to seek knowledge even if it were to require them to travel to China which 1424 years ago, was an almost impossible journey out of the Arabian Desert.
However in the Gambia, such a situation does not exist because our legal code is not based on Shariah. Gambian law changes all the time whenever the majority wants to change it through elected representatives.
So the system that allows for such a government comes about through a democratic process, which in itself can only survive through divergent views. So if you are saying that we should just follow leaders then you are effectively saying that we should do away with democracy.
Opposing views is the bedrock of any democratic system, which requires citizens to be commanders of their destinies and vote in people who will legislate in the interest of the majority, but who are accountable to the electorate. In fact in a democracy, if any one should listen and follow, it’s the leaders not the citizenry.
Unfortunately in Africa, it’s the citizenry who listen and follow rather than elected representatives. No wonder the objective of every child born on the continent is be a PRESIDENT FOR LIFE. It is an entrenched societal expectation to succeed at the expense of every one else. A typical traditional saying which is well common in the Gambia is: FULANG DANNA, FAADING DANNA. (This translates: the one who has succeeded and is ahead of his age mates and his half brothers.)
Talk to Gambian griots that are the custodians of our culture. In fact to hear this said, attend a naming ceremony or some social function and someone who is a “big shot arrives” with an air of arrogance. He or she is met at the gates and escorted by Griots saying such words. You might lose your seat if that person has none. Some willingly give up their seat even though he is late or some are forced to give up their seat. No wonder many young men risk their lives as boat people trying to reach fortress Europe because at home they do not matter. So next time you hear of stories of people venturing the high seas, think about their frustrations. The very saying quoted above is a common scene all over the continent, and therefore, when any one becomes president, it is termed as though it were his/her “turn” to enjoy for life.
It is in fact one of the very basis for leaders to perpetuate themselves in power for life. It does not teach humility but personal advancement. It will not be a surprise that the “big shot” has close family who are struggling to put food on the table whilst he dishes out money at such ceremonies.
I think we should stop blaming the presidency, which is a microcosm of the society in general. Unless we change our societal norms to be more responsive to the need of the community, we will always be producing endless self-centered leaders in Africa. It does not matter who would have won the elections, it would have almost been the same old thing. Old wine in new bottles. After all, it’s the wine, which is important, and not the bottle.
Regarding our traditions, unfortunately we had no democratic institutions in the Gambia. Our chiefs, Village heads, religious leaders were never elected. It was always hereditary and they stayed for life. So both the religious and traditions you quoted are out of place.
I stand to be corrected.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 19:38:09
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good link kobo
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