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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 08:31:47
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Yes, I think that is it.GIGOLO! They would be VERY offended to be called a prostitute. I think it is a two way relationship where both get something from it. It is not an abuse of power, the men go in with their eyes wide open. They seem to enjoy themselves!!
Somehow the situation between the old men and VERY young girls seems different. That is more a power thing and borders on abuse. Especially if the girl is forced into it by Gambian family. Seeing these very young black girls with western men makes me feel very uncomfortable and sad. The girls look so vunerable and unhappy.
Or is it just because I am a middle aged english women that I think it's ok for women to do it, but not for men?! 
I think there is a BIG difference between a 60 or 70 year old white man with a teenage Gambian girl and a 40 or 50 year old white women with a Gambian man in his late 20s or 30s. Or am I wrong? Let me know what you think!!!
A long term relationship statistically stands the most chance of success if you are well matched: ie similar age, race, religion, class, political persuasion, financial background.
So a mixed race, mixed religion, mixed country, big age gap,big financial gap relationship is really up against it!!!
I wish good luck to anyone brave enough to give it a try. You might be one of the lucky ones it works for!  |
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Eve
Gambia
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 11:33:12
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If u really wanted to see the emission, i can re copy it again and sent it to u, but make sure that you show it out, so that they know whats they talking about the Gambia.
And how are u, it's been a while now. Kisses |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 11:48:27
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Yes, I think that is it.GIGOLO! They would be VERY offended to be called a prostitute. I think it is a two way relationship where both get something from it. It is not an abuse of power, the men go in with their eyes wide open. They seem to enjoy themselves!!
Somehow the situation between the old men and VERY young girls seems different. That is more a power thing and borders on abuse. Especially if the girl is forced into it by Gambian family.Seeing these very young black girls with western men makes me feel very uncomfortable and sad. The girls look so vunerable and unhappy.
Or is it just because I am a middle aged english women that I think it's ok for women to do it, but not for men?!
I think there is a BIG difference between a 60 or 70 year old white man with a teenage Gambian girl and a 40 or 50 year old white women with a Gambian man in his late 20s or 30s. Or am I wrong? Let me know what you think!!!
A long term relationship statistically stands the most chance of success if you are well matched: ie similar age, race, religion, class, political persuasion, financial background.
So a mixed race, mixed religion, mixed country, big age gap,big financial gap relationship is really up against it!!!
I wish good luck to anyone brave enough to give it a try. You might be one of the lucky ones it works for!
Gambiabev,
I read what you say and I must admit that I agree with most of it an old white bloke with a TEENAGE girl is distressing but an old white bloke with a 30 plus age girl? why should she not be termed a Giggolo? she has the same thoughts as a man dos'nt she? I know men and women think differently but in this respect I think they think the same,or am I wrong,I would like female input into that question,can you tell me what a Giggolo wants out of life, a stable relationship,to be looked afer by someone who has more money or what I should be interested to know that as well. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 12:07:22
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Eve I haven't watched the TV programme but I've seen Bumsters in action. Really this is one big hustle driven by poverty with the hope to become rich overnight or emigrate and earn some easy money and return home and do something.i.e build a big house compound start business,etc etc.
So yes the Bellgian film exposed Gambia's dirty laundry but it's symptoms are that of poverty. Maybe 10-20 years ago it was done in a more subtle way but now it's in your face as soon as any tourist goes to the beach nigtclub, hotel or just ventures out they are confronted with the hard sell of some GIg or Bumster. But you see the industry seems to be damned when they have soliders patrolling the beaches or they don't. My question is if these guys are classed as Gig's and not prostitutes for sleeping with older women what are they classed as when they are sleeping with men for gifts and favors ie four wheel drives, big houses etc etc?
Lemon Time you mention sex for gifts what type of gifts the penultimate one a ticket?
What is the difference between a Serria Leonean refugee prostitute with a mini skirt just literally covers her butt holding her hands up in the air in the middle of a dance floor for hire and a Bumpster or playboy hovering around hotels and beaches as escorts. The Gambia Tourist Industry has become synomous with the sex industry and unless these youngsters are given wider opportunities the practice will get worse. And unfortuantely those who are in a position to clean up the industry seem to be completely oblivious to it, are tuning a blind or have their heads buried in the sand.
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 01 Sep 2006 12:13:54 |
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jambo
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 18:41:49
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sister omega, yuou are right that it is in your face and also very loud. they will sitting opposite the hotel and follow you and you walk from the hotel to the market. i defy anyone to walk from sengambia hotel to main road and not be followed, new people that is.
I did have a feeling that last time there was gang mentality, they hang around groups. Its the look of them that is hostile as well, cannot remember the last time i saw one well dressed.
In the past you met your gigolo/friend in the hotel, restaurant, club, tour guide, driver whatever, you never were approached on the beach or street and i think thats what has changed the visability of it.
also the numbers before one or two, just smilng, waving saying hello, now they approach you or follow you. And if you ignore them they shout at you.
If people on the bantaba complain why don't the locals run them off the streets, they do not enhance the place at all.
This kind of thing is not new but it has to be stopped or conrolled.
watch the next tourist season and see if another country does not follow belgium leads and picks up this side of gambia tourism.
It is not just the cheap end of the "tourism market" which i resent, because people who stay in 2* hotel spend more in the local community than the 5* tourists. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 00:43:24
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Jambo there does need to be a balance between local youth having access to the beach and Tourists enjoying their holiday.But what I see emerging is the sand sea and sun cannot be isolated from the socio-economic political environment which these youth have to navigate on a daily basis. Their reality is poverty coupled with responsibilities of an extended family of which they need to contribute to. The Bumpsters are marginalised and petty traders also rely on Bumpsters to bring them customers for their businesses. The pressure becomes more intense through the tight monopolises of foreign tour operators who deter their clients from free accessibilty to invest in the local economy by shopping locally and spending their money within the local community. This systematic sabotage of foreign exchange starts on the Monarch flights where hostess insist on passengers spending their change on the planes under the pretext that they don't have enough change for paper money which is farsical. By the time ten passengers buy drinks of cause Stewardess and stewards have enough change to give passengers. It is not unusual for passengers to have no coins when they land at Banjul to tip Porters etc.
By the end of March 06 the tourist season had dried up and the few tourists around Fajara, Bakau, Kotu etc were spending less money on the beach and traders were really struggling. Although there has been a rise in Spanish Tourists many of the Traders complain that they don't spend as much money as the British Swedish and Germans. There is also a language barrier. Nevertheless the Craft Market licence traders still have to cover their overheads. This was even more difficult due to the extensive fire at Serrekunda Market burning millions of dalsis of merchandise which help to stock up tourist markets, and the embargo caused by the border closer between Gambia and Senegal that seriously damaged other sectors of Gambia's economy. During the rainy season many beach traders have to sleep on the beach because they don't have enough money to tavel to and from work on a daily basis because money has dried up. Not all the people in Tourist have the luxury of having family land upcountry to cultivate during Rainy season, and therefore they try to maintain friendships with tourists to assist them when they have no income. I think it's important that the Tourist industry and other agencies meet up with all the Gambian Stakeholders included and encourage their participate in finding sustainable solutions to the impacts of tourism which they face.
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Edited by - kondorong on 02 Sep 2006 00:59:39 |
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 10:01:25
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For the record Babylon I have never 'bought' sex from anybody. I don't have to. And I'm not sure why you chose to imply that I did just because I said I saw nothing wrong with it. When I was travelling around with my mates (who are still good mates now, 15 years down the line) the sex thing wasn't a main issue. Perhaps because we were all the same age, in our 20s? We all just chilled out as mates and as a consequence, there's a bunch of us who're turning 40 now, Gambians and English, some of whom live here some in Gambia, some got together and got married with kids,and we reminisce like any bunch of old mates, about the old days, because we've all known each other a long time.
But who are we to judge what other people do? There's so much earnest moralising going on here. What business is it of anybody's, what an individual does? If people go round having sex, well SO WHAT? They are all adults. Never make the mistake of thinking that just because you don't do something, or don't like the thought of something, it is 'wrong' because to my mind, that sort of judgementalism is the worst 'wrong' of all. |
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 11:49:54
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Itīs not wrong to moralise over prostitution or buying another human being.
As the name of the topic is "Embarrassment to Gambian", that is exactly what it is. An embarrassment. Listen to what the Gambians in general have to say about you and what youīre doing in their country and respect it. Is that so hard to do? You, the immoral white women/men who are down to this foolishness do not seem to respect the Gambian culture or the people (or Islam) by making this Embarrassment possible. You are mainly responsible for the prostitution in the Gambia and giving the decent toubabs a bad name.
If there were no clients the shop would go bankcrupt.
Your behaviour would make most decent Gambians say La illaha il Allah! |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 15:22:19
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| Hey its heating up,chillout you two.peace and love to you. |
There is no god but Allah |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 17:11:56
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Lemon Time, not heating up... I just think itīs sickening with this nonstop, careless white "HEY I`LL DO WHATTA HELL I WANNA DO!" attitude that so many tourists have. When you travel to a foreign country, especially a muslim country like Gambia, try and behave (even if some ppl find it hard to do)and show some respect for the culture or stay home!
Or go to Ibiza where noone gets shocked over your lack of morals and promiscuous style. And Donīt forget 2 bring extra many condoms so you wont spread your diseases. |
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ranga
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 18:18:31
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Taking a step back, it appears that this story has touched a raw nerve in this forum. It certainly appears to be an embarrassment to Gambians. I wonder why the questionable behavior of a few has become an embarrassment for Gambians at large. In contrast, I don't see Belgians becoming embarrassed! Is it so prevalent in Gambia that it is an issue to be fixed? What am I missing?
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T.K. "Ranga" Rengarajan
Founder, Geoseed Project
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Newfy
Western Samoa
462 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2006 : 02:37:45
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| Heres what I see or understand from this discussion, there is the undercurrent of the dynamics of "race", "age" and gender working here in this topic on the sex industry. If prostitution or being a gigolo was between same 'race' and 'age' group would the reaction by bantaba forum be different because Im pretty sure that kind of stuff goes on as well, its just not as visible perhaps?? |
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ranga
USA
149 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2006 : 07:57:55
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| Newfy, that makes sense to me. Thanks! |
T.K. "Ranga" Rengarajan
Founder, Geoseed Project
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Sep 2006 : 09:41:58
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Newfy I think young girls the world over have been used by men of the SAME race as prostitutes since time began. In some countries it is legal, in some countries polygamy exists(partly as a way for a man to have sex with more than one women!), in some countries it is turned a blind eye to and in some countries it is illegal.
The issue in Gambia is that local girls are now being used by male tourists. But people on bantaba should expect us to believe that a Gambian man has never been to a prostitute before tourism came!! |
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jambo
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Posted - 03 Sep 2006 : 18:53:56
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tanga i think it is becoming an issue because of the type of tourist it attracts, it is not that it has never happened just that for some tourist it is becoming a "thing", if you get my meaning. Over the past three years as Gambia has opened up to more tour operators and "it becoming discovered" then some tourists are looking for the fun, fast and furious tpe of holiday, drink beer, and play with the locals.
gambia has always had tourism but it was the relaxing,quite, adventurous tourism, it was a big trip to travel to Africa.
now its easier.
my problem is this the answer lies in the hands of the Gambian tourims chiefs and security. Stop the prostitution in public end of story, if a place in europe has an area that is known for this type of thing and the police close it down it becomes invisible and that type of person stops going to that area.
during the AU summit, the government sent out a warning to prostitutes, criminals and other low life to stay out of Gambia, the tourist areas where great and the restaurants, bars, markets still did business.
if someone wants sex they will find it, but the police are aware of it and DO NOT DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT. THEY HAVE THE POWER.
Secondly if you think that aiming the tourist market higher that prostitution will go away they should think again another 5 star hotel will attract more of these individuals. it does not matter were they stay it will happen.
they should also stop the foreign sex trader being there, Serra Leonones, Nigerians, Senegalese, Guineans all work the area.
Stop the pimps. THE POWER IS WITH THE POLICE.
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