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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04 Sep 2006 : 00:29:58
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| Thanks for clarifications. Therefore Yellow and Blue banners are UDP/NRP alliance. What is the effect of "party-led" in these platforms especially during the nominations? If there was an allinace for five parties that existed, for e.g UDP/NRP/PDOIS/NAM/PPP, will there be a five colour banner for each individual party's representation? Also what features or requirements can translate them into a party-led alliance? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Sep 2006 : 01:57:16
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APRC and NCP alliance sets the precedence of "party-led alliance" but to the disadvantage of the weaker party i.e NCP whose demise is being questioned on topic Gambia: Has the NCP been completely wiped out from the Gambia's politial map?" under http://allafrica.com/stories/200609050854.html
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2006 : 22:36:34
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| I haven't seen any effect of UDP/NRP Allinace as a better alternative based on the legal points and structures. Before I conclude on this topic. The UDP's yellow banner represents the banner for so-called UDP/NRP alliance just like APRC green banner for APRC/NCP alliance. Darboe dominates and Hamat the looser. Thanks and no further comments! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2006 : 19:54:41
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NRP is DEAD and "Vote YELLOW BOX ONLY" as previously stated above and under this link as follows:
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1802 P1
In addition to update this topic to counter the flimpsy excuses citing legal issues as justifications for not joining NADD by Lawyer Darboe and Co. under "Gambia: The Truth Shall Set Him Free" http://allafrica.com/stories/200609120811.html
Therefore the TRUTH SHALL PREVAIL! |
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Bronx
USA
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Posted - 13 Sep 2006 : 21:43:26
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Kobo,
What is all this obsession with the ARC? The truth according to who? You? Pleaseeee.All the parties to the ARC are relevant. The flag bearer and presidential candidate of the alliance belongs to the party with the yellow banner. Hamat is not running for president, but the NRP remains a legally constituted party in the Gambia. How you can conjure up conspiracy theories out of the blue is mind boggling. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Sep 2006 : 02:34:49
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Originally posted by Bronx
Kobo,
What is all this obsession with the ARC? The truth according to who? You? Pleaseeee.All the parties to the ARC are relevant. The flag bearer and presidential candidate of the alliance belongs to the party with the yellow banner. Hamat is not running for president, but the NRP remains a legally constituted party in the Gambia. How you can conjure up conspiracy theories out of the blue is mind boggling.
What is NADD under its MOU? Is it not ARC? The truth according to the author of the above article and the weakness of Lawyer Draboe & Co. citing their legal reasons for not joining NADD until nomination day soliciting for alliance, double standards and failed campaign strategies to dismantle APRC and dislodge Jammeh's presidency. Is that obsession or no other than hard facts, reality and THE TRUTH. What difference does it make if NRP is legally constituted likewise all other opposition parties that sacrificed their individual parties and became defunct for an National Alliance and to sacrifice individual pary identities UNDER ONE UMBRELLA in the service of the nation? Refer back to first sentence of this topic and read again the article Gambia: The truth shall set him free" and reconcile the legal points and see for yourself the intellectual dishonesty and total disorientation of Darboe & Co. camp. Don't you realised that you are riding on a cart with a punctured tyre? Backing out from NADD is that punctured tyre. You are taking on NADD as your main rival but the incumbent and APRC are the rivals for ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES (i.e. UDP/NRP Alliance and NADD
together). "Together we stand divided we fall!"
Jammeh said even if a million alliance he won't go. THATS THE TRUTH IN SIMPLE TERMS! Therefore the article and scenarios under Gambia: The truth shall set him free" from the tenacity and clutches gripping it, in my opinion are valid and appropriate under these circumctances. |
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maple
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Sep 2006 : 03:34:36
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| Kobo i think the wordings of the end of you 1st paragraph betrays your stance. What happened happened, dboe is not joining nadd and nadd is not joioning darboe period.lets pray for a violent free election for the gambia. |
"Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear" Paulo Coelho. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2006 : 05:15:37
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Marple!
Hope am communicating to a genuine, intelligent and reasonable person with due respect please!
NADD is a BABY of SAVE THE GAMBIA DEMOCRACY PROJECT (STGDP) and they will handle the post implementation review of the project (NADD) and the failures of the protocols.
You don't have the mandate to decide that UDP/NRP is not joining or vice versa for NADD. Politics is a dynamic process and the political landscape has drastically changed. Therefore new strategies would eventually occur. Your suggestions really contradicts what Lawyer Darboe wished to happen during nominations day as he attempted to seduce and blackmail NADD in abandoning their principles to rally and gave him support. To remind you that we have not reached a stage where "REAP WHAT YOU SOW" will be the norm for the opposition parties AGAINST UNITY UNDER ONE UMBRELLA, BETRAYAL AND DOUBLE STANDARDS and what was tabled under the auspices of STGP'S NADD, its principles, its objectives and the raison d'être for the creation of NADD; on which they endorsed when sanctioned to work for AN ALLIANCE FOR REGIME CHANGE.
The NOBLE Extracts from NADD MoU Preamble
"We, the undersigned representatives of opposition political parties, who seek to establish an alliance, are fully conscious of the duty, that wisdom and honour bestow on us, to explain to the people, from whose consent we must derive the authority to preside over the affairs of the nation and to generations yet unborn, the exceptional circumstances which compelled us to assemble and take these decisions that are here engraved or entrenched in this Memorandum Of Understanding"
Refer NADD MoU at http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=209 P1
Thanks and listen to the echo drums of APRC's carnival and Jammeh's show biz and leave NADD alone. NADD was made in United States by Gambian intellectuals, other humble denominations with a national character to the calling of STGDP as a:
NAtion's
Development
Deal
HAPPY NEW ERA!
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2006 : 10:26:26
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Marple I overcited your comments on "lets pray for a violent free election for the gambia."
For your information its already late to cry foul, woolf or crocodile tears. The election process has fulfilled on face value all the characteristics of a democratic government within the normal limitaions of Jammeh's administration and IEC. We have gone through a sries of process ranging from civic education programs, voter registrations, mobilise the media, signing of MOU between all contestants and registered parties, proper nomination process, campaign platforms provided, The GRTS air time and radio allocated to each party equitably, to noteworthy each major party is bragging of sweeping the elections, independent observers in the country and come day of elections people will vote freely and listen to the results. This was another shot and another platform to put the incumbent to PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY, THE ECONOMY, POVERTY,DEVELOPMENTS AND AGAIN THE ULTIMATE TESTS OF GAMBIAN DEMOCRACY OVER A DECADE AFTER MILITARY TO CONSTITUTIONAL RULE
On 22nd September, 2006 is PEOPLES VERDIT and another good shot for GAMBIANS! Therefore post-election ANY ATTEMPT TO DESTABILISE THE COUNTRY MUST BE DEALT WITH MERCILESSLY!
HAPPY NEW ERA!
PEACE! |
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
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Posted - 16 Sep 2006 : 20:55:40
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| The Gambia has already been destabilized by the current regime. It is time for the people to take back their nation! |
Justice must be served as impunity brings more repression and corruption! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2006 : 08:40:24
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Originally posted by Aku_pickin
The Gambia has already been destabilized by the current regime. It is time for the people to take back their nation!
Aku Pickin! On your concerns I must observed that only ENEMIES OF PEACE AND PROGRESS can attempt acts TRAESONABLE ACTS OF DESTABILIZING the NEXT GOVERNMENT AFTER THE ELECTIONS.
There were ample time for preparations and mobilisation of resources for this elections next week. Everybody had their chances and shot in this democratic election for ELECTION 2006.
FOR THE OPPOSITION I would refere you on highlights of background information under these extracts and links:
Background information
Events leading to the rationale, advocacy and promotion of mobilizing resources and joining forces together by major opposition parties can be derived from these sources and other various highlights as follows:-
1. Extracts from NADD MoU Preamble
We, the undersigned representatives of opposition political parties, who seek to establish an alliance, are fully conscious of the duty, that wisdom and honour bestow on us, to explain to the people, from whose consent we must derive the authority to preside over the affairs of the nation and to generations yet unborn, the exceptional circumstances which compelled us to assemble and take these decisions that are here engraved or entrenched in this Memorandum Of Understanding
Refer NADD MoU at http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=209&whichpage=1
2. Extracts from Tribalism and political history in the Gambia
By Dr. Sulayman S. Nyang Howard University
The collapse of the Jawara regime could well be explained as the culmination of many social and political crises which were not effectively contained or settled by the Jawara regime. If there was any serious debate among Gambian intellectuals through the press and in various fora around the country, the Kukoi Samba Sanyang coup and the Yaya Jammeh coup would not have taken place. I am making this assumption because I believe the leadership, both the government and the opposition, would see the negative consequence of a collapse of an embryonic but imperfect democratic order. Apparently, the government and its loyal opposition were not listening, and even if they were listening, they were acting on what they knew about the situation. ……………..etc, etc, etc.
Whenever logic breaks down, and we have difficulty dealing with serious and real problems of social and political life, it becomes an easy way out to resort to irrationalities. In the special case of the Gambia, parochialism in political life has a long and unfortunate history…………….etc, etc, etc.
Sectionalism based either on ethnicity or religion in Gambian politics goes back to the 1950s ……………………etc, etc, etc.
In concluding this brief piece on the ethnic or tribal question in the Gambia, I would like to say that the various battles fought over positions and privileges should be taken as lessons learned from the common past. In order to build a better and brighter future, the Gambians must learn a new language of inter-ethnic cooperation and competition. This is to say, they must learn to compete freely and fairly……..etc.
As Henry Kissinger said sometime ago, "Even the paranoid has real enemies." Let us remember this while working energetically to create a political culture of tolerance and goodwill. QUOTE ENDS
Refer on Dr. Sulayman S. Nyang’s paper on detailed topic under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=834&whichpage=3
3. Political Education for Democratic Transformation of the Gambia
By Dr. Abdoulie Saine (Culled by Dalton 1)
At a time of growing political activism among Gambians worldwide, the need arises to both underscore and enhance political education in the Diaspora and in The Gambia to push further the country’s democratic transformation. There are at least two important reasons in the quest for political education for Gambians at home and in the Diaspora. The first is the need to create critical awareness of political phenomena by facilitating an open and balanced discussion and analysis of a range of opinions and problem-solving scenarios. The second is awareness, or increased consciousness of positive political values pertaining to liberty, justice, equity, respect for the law, and enhanced personal and collective obligations for the public good. ? It seems these trends in The Gambia and the Diaspora, as reflected in media outlets are on the increase and must be deepened.
Critical political education must be distinguished, however, from the more common Civics version that tends to support, reinforce and legitimate the existing political system in The Gambia and elsewhere. ? The latter emphasizes factual knowledge of existing institutions of government, while its teaching method(s) devalue the discussion of controversial issues such as the distribution of wealth and power in society. ? Most post-colonial states in Africa, including The Gambians have developed a hegemonic and an intolerant notion of political education based on a narrow state-driven/ elite agenda. It is used as an oppressive political instrument to further the official ideology of the state and the class it represents. This type of education has fostered dependence and authoritarianism and enabled dictators to prey on the poor and poorly educated masses.
In the best tradition of political education, citizens and in particular students are taught critical thinking skills, the relevance of historical context(s), provided the tools to assess information from different perspectives so as to arrive at a conclusion(s).Political education must also have as one of its central missions the cultivation of tolerance and the ability to present and defend ones position in a logical, precise non-abusive manner. ? Such education must also recognize that opposition or a difference of opinion is not treason. ? Citizens and students, specifically, must be educated to have an intellectual awareness of the political system and the inherently political nature of public life and relationships within the state. ? Ultimately, the quality of The Gambia’s future democratic culture will hinge on the level of knowledge and education its citizens receive.
Yet, it would be nave to expect the dominant classes, especially those whose interests the state represents to develop a kind of education that would enable the mass of the population to perceive social injustice issues. The media, together with other civic and opposition political organizations, and intellectuals must provide critical and when possible, alternative explanations to the prevailing official perspective/ideology.
Gambians at home and in the Diaspora (and especially those that live in the U.S., Europe and other democratic societies) must continue to cultivate in themselves and others the democratic values of debate and tolerance. ? We must learn to disagree calmly without necessarily being disagreeable; because to be insulting in a national conversation is to have lost the argument and perhaps your ability to convince and influence. Tolerance and respect for ideas and debates over ideas are democratic values we will need as we attempt to nudge Jammeh’s government, the opposition and The Gambia in a more democratic direction. It is these values that in the end would make The Gambia that we all love a more stable and economically prosperous place to live.
In sum, we must educate ourselves and others politically because education without social responsibility has little or no redeeming value. Thus, political education has to be committed to social justice and rooted in humility in order to improve not only ourselves and our families, but The Gambia and humanity as a whole. QUOTE ENDS
Refer on detailed topic under
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=834&whichpage=6
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=843&whichpage=1
4. Option for an alliance proposal
(Culled by Biraan)
Issued by Musa Jeng – Save The Gambia Democracy Project (STGDP)
STGDP, once again is sadden that the coming together for a unitary alliance continues to be a challenge. As Gambians continue to look for a way out by coming up with different proposals, the political protagonist continue to either stay muted, or make statements that are not helping in bringing about reconciliation. The biggest cliché: I am open to the idea of coming together, is expounded by all the parties concern, as long as it is in their terms. As for all of us in the Diaspora, the very engine that was driving this locomotive of the alliance has found ourselves getting caught up in partisanship. There is total agreement that there is a need for the parties to come together, saying it thousand times more is not going to make it happen. There should be an honest and meaningful action from the players to give ourselves chance to broker a deal. It is paramount that coming together is fundamental, but most important is how we come together. This can have a direct impact to our chance of winning!
Below, is a proposal from STGDP that was sent to both NADD and UDP-NRP couple of months ago? As we continue to wait for their responses. All of us in the Diaspora, especially the very people that have a played a pivotal role in this effort should come back together and make this thing happen. Folks, months ago when the opposition leaders were arrested and taken to Mile 2, there was a phone conference attended by over sixty individuals. We were brought together by anger, frustration but also a belief that collectively we have to do something. I am appealing to everyone who was on that conference call, that we can make it happen and now is the time to at least play our last card.
We have been there at the beginning, and continue to go through the difficulties, the nuances, the political jockeying and have gotten to know the players. We can definitely give it another shot. Below is the proposal. We have tried to come up with something that will not only bring them together, but will also the how that can bring everyone on board enthusiastically to give us a chance of winning.
April 18, 2006
The Secretary General
NADD
Banjul, the Gambia.
After engaging Gambians all around the world, with all shades of political and partisan persuasions, STDGP has concluded that pursuing a coalition is an effort that cannot be given up on. The commonality that every Gambian that we spoke to has is that a coalition of opposition parties is the sure way of bringing an end the president Jammeh’s rule of tyranny. We went further and sounded party leaders from NADD and UDP-NRP, and there is still a commitment to a coalition as a strategy to contest the October 2006 elections.
Fellow Gambians, STGDP still held the belief that it is incumbent upon all of the players to give Gambians what they want – the opportunity to vote against tyranny. As we all begin to deal with the political realities with the NADD concept as a strategy to remove tyranny and replace it with democracy, STGDP refuses to give up and will never give up on the idea of a coalition and we hope our proposal and suggestions will be considered with honesty and be given your quick and utmost thoughts as time is running out on all Gambians hungry for change. We would still like to engage the opposition in finding a way out and a common ground that would give us the opportunity to build the forces of change through coalition of political parties.
This will be the proposed way forward to bring about a one team political opposition, which will run against president Jammeh in the upcoming October 2006 General elections. This proposal attempts to find a compromise, by dealing with what is regarded as the BIG ISSUES: who becomes the leader of this cooperation and under what political entity will this cooperation operates. This is not to say that these are the only big issues, but we thought it is important to highlight some of the critical issues. The political reality as it is, we have the NADD Alliance and the UDP-NRP Alliance. Both parties need to give, demonstrate flexibility and focus on the big price: the removal of president Jammeh. Below is a foundation of a frame work that can be a start up to bring the forces together and once again your utmost cooperation will be highly appreciated?
This new cooperation will exist under the entity of NADD/UDP-NRP Alliance, more like the Rainbow coalition in Kenya. Both entities shall remain independent with their political programs, platforms, manifestos and internal agreements. This will be a loose alliance out of which a candidate will become the presidential candidate, only to run under an INDEPENDENT TICKET.
A. The real focus of this alliance is a strategic move to contest the upcoming election with one presidential candidate.
B. Both the NADD and the UDP-NRP Alliance have already chosen a leader – and one of these individuals will become the leader of the cooperation, and by default the other will become the vice presidential candidate.
C. In each of these alliances are compositions of individual parties: UDP, NRP, PPP, NDAM and PDOIS. All of the leaders of these parties are to participate fully in this cooperation, and to play a vital role in the formation of a new government after the presidential election is won.
D. This is only cooperation between the two alliances, and will not address or govern other internal agreements within alliances outside of the cooperation.
E. As part of this program, the presidential candidate who will be running under the independent ticket will be one of the leaders from the two Alliances, and by default the other leader will be the running mate and the Vice president. In addition, under the arrangement all the other three executive leaders will hold cabinet offices in the new government to be determined by all the parties.
F. A constitutional amendment is recommended so that the president cannot dismiss as he wishes without the participation of all the leaders.
G. After one term of five years, the president, vice president and cabinet members can then run under their own party banners.
We are looking forward to hearing from you very soon.
Yours truly,
STGDP
CC: UDP - NRP
Therefore “……………….Which way forward” Aku Pickin?
A HAPPY NEW ERA FOR PEACE AND PROGRESS!
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
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Posted - 18 Sep 2006 : 03:33:12
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Kobo, thanks for the information. The way forward is the defeat of the the current regime. It is up to the people to make a wise choice this coming week. I cannot fathom why any sane person would want the current leadership in power for another five years. I certainly hope that those accepting monetary gifts from the APRC realize that it will not solve their problems in the long term.
I hope and pray that all Gambians make the right choice and send a clear message to Jammeh this Friday. That we have had enough of him and his corrupt regime!
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Justice must be served as impunity brings more repression and corruption! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2006 : 13:04:55
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Aku Pickin. Thanks for seeing the light. Thats the MESSAGE AND RAISON DETRE for NADDs existence through STGDP who sanctioned all opposition party leaders, intellectuals, genuie people from all walks of life, (from all races and tribes) and other humble denominations to mobilse themselves before election 2006 to challenge and free a humble nation from these tenacious remarks from a so-called hardliner, dictator or tyrant from its dragon clutches;
"if you want to be a president of The Gambia, I can assure you that you will have the longest years to wait. Billahi Wallahi Tallahi, if you want to be the President of this country, I can swear to Almighty Allah, you must be more patient than a vulture, because I am not giving you the power now. When am I going to hand over The Gambia to you? And before that I will not hand over The Gambia. The day we achieve what is enshrined in Vision 2020, ...............You have at least 30 years to wait. Do I raise any eyebrows? Yes, the British were here for 400."
The faithfuls are under the banner of NADD. What they wanted was for AN ALLIANCE FOR ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES TO RALLY UNDER ONE BANNER AND NADD even finally offered and compromised Lawyer Darboe to lead NADD AS AN ALLIANCE FOR REGIME CHANGE but UDP/NRP alienated Halifa & NADD to the dishearthen dissapointments of many from their plights under Jammeh and APRC! However am please to declare NADD has won in the debates through Bantaba forum to command and lead on WORD IS BOND, RESPECT, TRUTH AND INTEGRITY!
NADD is well spirited but decapitated by the breakaway UDP/NRP (betrayal of WORD IS BOND! "Jamfaa!") and there is no doubt that APRC is gaining the edge with a sweeping MASSIVE VICTORY for Jammeh for another term.
HAPPY NEW ERA!
PEACE |
Edited by - kobo on 18 Sep 2006 14:45:13 |
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jambo
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Posted - 18 Sep 2006 : 13:46:11
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KOBO are you alright, so much politics your postings are on a roll.
I hope you are taking time out for yourself.
Gambian politics could drive a person insane.
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