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Bronx
USA
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 Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 23:44:33
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Kayjatta wrote:
"READING AND UNDERSTANDING THE TEXT OF THE LAW ( THE CONSTITUTION ) IS A RIGHT AS WELL AS A DUTY OF EVERY CITIZEN".
I can understand the right of citizens to read and understand the constitution, but where do you come off with the duty part though.In a country with a literate population such as ours, how do you make it a duty for every citizen to read and understand the constitution. Men you are killing me. Furthermore reading and thinking that you understand the constitution doesn't make one a lawyer. That takes training.
You went on to say:
"AS FAR AS THE NADD , UDP/NRP ALLIANCE IS CONCERN I AM TIRED OF ARGUING ABOUT IT , BUT I STILL THINK DARBOE'S SELFISHNESS AND GREED IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE DISARRAY."
There you have it...grade A hypocrisy. You claimed you are tired of discussing the NADD breakup, but in the next breathe took a shot at Darbo. If your saint Halifa is selfless why don't he abandon NADD and join a more powerful alliance? You guys are just mad that your little project that is PDOIS is called out by Darbo. Halifa is as selfish as they come. How did he become mainority leader when Sidia is serving his third term in parliment.He has this charade going that he is not interested in position, but his record doesn't jive with the rhetoric. It reminds me of Dick cheney. He was task with finding a running mate for bush and he end up selecting himself. Halifa pulled the same trick. Halifa sallah ain't no saint. The sooner you guys get that the better for everyone. We are not falling for that hero worship that seems to pervade supporters of PDOIS any more.
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Solution
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 09:03:14
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"AS FAR AS THE NADD , UDP/NRP ALLIANCE IS CONCERN I AM TIRED OF
ARGUING ABOUT IT , BUT I STILL THINK DARBOE'S SELFISHNESS AND GREED IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE DISARRAY".
Kayjatta, you are absolutely right. Darboe is to be blame for this mess. How can Darboe a so called professional lawyer signed the MOU and at the same time labelled it a blunder. This shows how irresponsible, and selfish this guy is.
This guy cares less about the Gambia. I would rather have Jammeh in power than such a power greed individual. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 09:53:35
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Before concluding on this topic I would like to recap. and remind you Jammeh's conroversial speech and my analysis of that speech as follows:
QUOTED FROM JAMMEH'S SPEECH AFTERMATH OF COUP:
"I will tell you one thing: Whenever I go against the interest of The Gambia; If ever I betray The Gambia, any patriotic Gambian can overthrow me in any way. If ever I betray the country, a coup will be most welcomed. Until that, which will never come, I will never betray my motherland. I will never betray the country. I will never betray you the Gambian people. I will never betray Africa. Let me tell you one thing: I will never betray Allah. No human being, Gambian or non-Gambian, no foreign power can do anything to Yahya Jammeh or the Gambian people.
Those who want to be President, those that are doing covertly or overtly, if you want to be a president of The Gambia, I can assure you that you will have the longest years to wait. Billahi Wallahi Tallahi, if you want to be the President of this country, I can swear to Almighty Allah, you must be more patient than a vulture, because I am not giving you the power now. When am I going to hand over The Gambia to you? And before that I will not hand over The Gambia. The day we achieve what is enshrined in Vision 2020, the day The Gambia and your oil benefits every Gambian and non-Gambian, the day your oil benefits every African and all sets of human race, the day The Gambia becomes a superpower, that is the day I will hand over the power to you the Gambian people. You have at least 30 years to wait. Do I raise any eyebrows? Yes, the British were here for 400."
END OF QUOTE
MY ANALYSIS WAS AS FOLLOWS:
"You all know that you have one of the worst and weakest leaders of the century, who insults you, bullies you, maime you, torture you, murder you, terrorise you, uses your national assets for self aggrandisement and like his personal properties, corrupts and manipulates all machinations at his disposal. You have seen his last rites and declarations in this ruthless speech for his next agenda , which includes staying for another 30 years whether you like it or not!, more blacklists, murders and civil crises; on where he is leading Gambia towards a no man's land; May God forbid it!. What is your problem to deal with him and his tyranny at all costs?"
END OF QUOTE
I would gracefully and informally concede defeat to the oppostion and declare Jammeh and the APRC victory from opinion polls and what appear to be the general consensus of Gambians. We expect further Hajj programs, other meaningful development projects, sustainable programs, a sound economy, good governance, peace and stability for years to come. LONG LIVE JAMMEH AND APRC FOR ITS THE DESTINY BY THE HAND OF GOD! MAY GOD HELP YOU AND GIVE YOU WISDOM TO RULE AND GUIDE YOUR ACTIONS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR THE COMMON GOOD OF GAMBIANS TO LIVE IN PEACE AND HARMONY! |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 18:00:29
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Thanks Bronx for your response.You need to understand that there is a difference between "having a duty " and the "exercise of that duty".I know that many Gambians are unable to exercise their constitutional rights because of their inability to read not write ; but that is not an excuse for ignorance of the law. "There is no excuse for ignorance of the law".That is why it is a duty for every citizen to know the law.Do you know the law , Bronx ? For example , if you did not vote because you did not know that you have a constitutional right to vote if you are 18 or older , you can't blame anyone but yourself.It is your duty to know whether you are literate or not.
Yes , i am tired of "arguing" about what i now call "the demise of the opposition " in the Gambia because the arguments and counter arguments have gravitated away from the central themes that called for the creation of NADD. Personally , i do not have any problems with Darboe leading if he agrees to a one-five year term transition after which he may retire from politics like NADD requires Halifa to do. You see that is the difference between Halifa and Darboe. That is also the difference between a "power-hungry individualist " and a "selfless servant of the people". I am sorry if i sound hero worshipping.I have no hero or Saint, sadly.
Halifa and NADD will not the Gambian people and join UDP/NRP because it serves no purpose to do so.UDP/NRP is not based on any solid principles of politics and economics.Do you even think Hamat Bah has a future in a government with Darboe and UDP ?
Frankly , i don't no about Dick Cheney's story you mentioned. I do know that the nomination of a vice presidential running mate is a rigorous process and the decision is always made by the presidential candidate (Bush in this case , Cheney).
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 07:51:28
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QUOTES EXTRACTED FROM PA SAIKOU KUJABI
"Halifa Sallah is back again working for Yaya Jammeh. Readers, it should not be a surprise for anyone who knows Halifa Sallah to see him going to work for Yaya Jammeh and the APRC regime one more time. I have always said it in many internet forums that Halifa Sallah is
as arrogant, selfish,stained, deceptive as Yaya Jammeh.
Frankly I was astonished to read Halifa Sallah's letter to NRP/UDP Alliance repeating himself over and over again without making any point.
In that irresponsible and self deceiving statement, Halifa, just as typical of him, went on hiffing and hoffing again, contradicting himself and exposing his arrogance and insensitivity about the political wishes of the Gambian opposition electorates; have painted a false picture.
END OF QUOTE
DALTON 1 COMMENTS QUOTED:
"Even though the views of the two Alliances are different, forces are at work to influence the two sides to work to reconcile their differences.
Will they succeed or will they not?
That is the question." END OF QUOTE
The above were based on the following letters to follow to proof that all his allegations were baseless and not based on facts and contents of those letters in question. I do not have time to make any final comments but uses a different approach to recalled all letters under referenced and mentioned for details as counter rebuttal of Pa Saikou Kujabi's article. Reading and analysis them would exposed Pa Saikou Kujabi’s misleading roles and no more than total disorientation and misinformation. In other words, those allegations are nothing other than false allegations, BASELESS AND LIES EXPOSING HIM WITH ULTERIOR MOTIVE AND SADLY AS A TOTALLY DISORIENTATED PERSON.
Its also interesting that I have no problem to extract from his article and redirecting his own words to him (to own them exclusively as answers to himself where it best fits or critically apply under the circumstances.
I called on readers to re-capitulate on these letters as a literates, political analyst or educated person to understand the facts and appreciate certain issues and positions on NADD, UDP/NRP, Halifa Sallah, Lawyer Ousainou Darboe and Hamat Bah respectively. In my opinion I tend to give due credit and respect to Honourable Halifa as a good political leader, more realistic, having a more sense of direction, more nationalist and patriotic than anybody else in the political arena under current circumstances. Furthermore NADD appear to be best option for the way forward for progress and meaningful development of our political systems inter alia.
Readers are welcome as the best to decide and judge for themselves where the TRUTH LIES AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH WITHOUT FEAR AND FAVOUR BETWEEN ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. Thanks for your time to read them.
Below are the letters in the issue.
1. THE NADD AND UDP/NRP VIEWS ON UNITY - PART 1
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1477
2. THE NADD AND UDP/NRP VIEWS ON UNITY - PART 2
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1540 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 17:35:45
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Thanks Kobo. It is simple and clear! Those who want change of government for the sake of mere change without substance here is UDP/NRP. Those of us who want substantive change in governance will no doubt stick with NADD.
NADD will only join UDP/NRP if Darboe and Bah agree to a clear basis of understanding and agreement for a coalition. You cannot just "shelve"(see Darboe's letter) important things like "term limit" ,and the composition of "post-election transition" government.
The kind of coalition Darboe seeks will eventually give him a free reign so that the post-election consultation and referandum will be subject to his influence and manipulation.He will then embark on a road to a "perpetual presidency" like Jammeh is poised to do. Even Hamat Bah will be left in the cold. We have seen how Jammeh conducted( albeit unwillingly)a sham consultation and referandum in 1995. |
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taalibeh
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 18:04:44
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Thanks Kobo. It is simple and clear! Those who want change of government for the sake of mere change without substance here is UDP/NRP. Those of us who want substantive change in governance will no doubt stick with NADD.
NADD will only join UDP/NRP if Darboe and Bah agree to a clear basis of understanding and agreement for a coalition. You cannot just "shelve"(see Darboe's letter) important things like "term limit" ,and the composition of "post-election transition" government.
The kind of coalition Darboe seeks will eventually give him a free reign so that the post-election consultation and referandum will be subject to his influence and manipulation.He will then embark on a road to a "perpetual presidency" like Jammeh is poised to do. Even Hamat Bah will be left in the cold. We have seen how Jammeh conducted( albeit unwillingly)a sham consultation and referandum in 1995.
Absolutely kayjatta. It is foolhardy to enter into any agreement without conditions. Even Darboe himself knew that Halifa would never enter into such agreement. Because Darboe want no coalision, he came up with such ploy so as to shift the blame on NADD.
I personally belief there is no sincerity on the side of UDP/NRD. |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 19:12:42
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This is a done deal guys. Let NADD, UDP/NRP and APRC contest the elections and let us move on to the next phase. Those supporting NADD should join the rest of us and fight tooth and nail to send a clear message that we are in for a long term fight. Our strategy goes beyond this election.
Let UDP/NRP take their majority argument with them to the electorates and see what difference that makes for them. You are only majority if you are able to win. Otherwise, thousand votes, and one vote all mean zero at the end of the day. Since we cannot trust UDP/NRP leadership with their blanket amnesty, let us continue the fight against APRC and the Jammeh regime. One way or the other NADD supporters should contribute either directly calling our people and sensitize them on the elections and or contribute funds to their campaign. We know if nothing the funds will be used to educate Gambians on their rights and that is a good course. Go NADD
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 21:27:09
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quote:
Originally posted by kobo
quote:
Originally posted by darboesanka
I asked the same question. what is NADD trying to achieve without UDP/NRP?. Unfortunately, gambians vote for names and I can assure you that Halifa Sallah is more popular in America and Serrekunda. The rural folks don't know him and he will not win the upcoming elections. In fact, Halifa only won in serrekunda after UDP boycotted the parliamentary election in 2001. Let us stop daydreaming and be very realistic. UDP/NRP will get more votes than any other opposition party. That's a fact. So, I hope those of us in the diaspora will come our senses.
Darbosanka Halifa is wiling to ready for any deal including Darboe for Presidential candidate but the issue is about winning to salvage the political situation and not for ambition of being a president. Please review their recent communications and exchange of letters and inorder to appreciate the facts better. Its not about name or popularity but based on good visons and startegy in the spirit of national reconcilliation for emancipation of the masses. Halifa ia not ambitious and have been in politics with dynamism and patience. Aftermath of the elections Darboe and co. would regret and are the loosers. However he is a professional and continue with it but no chance in politics of tribalism. Thats why GOD put Jammeh and APRC to steer for that mission and better political orientation towrads the future. Leaders are born but not created and Darboe, Hamat cannot manipulate their way to rule Gambia in their selfish ways. APRC is properly institutioanlised and to counter them requires the opposition parties to re-think on their strategies which was already done to promote NADD. Those sdincere to the plight of the massess are still there and figfhting hard and the traitors backed out for selfish reasons or rather than fullfil national duty under the current political climate.
Please mr.Kobo,
I beg to defer from you that statement if these two are practice of tribalism,then which tribe are they favouring Mandinka or Fula?Don't you understand your language better?Two parties merge one headed by a Gambia from the fulani tribe and the other headed by a Gambian from the Mandinka[Both parties have in them all the tribes represented].I have very high respect for you but it seems from this statements that you are also dancing to the tribal campaign tune Jammeh is playing.
I think what should have been the way forward has already been said by you earlier ie with vissionary leadership we can forge a better than cheap fame or just want to be prasident which has no place in present day Gambia.
We should stop this idea of tribalism brewing in our minds no body is tribalist. We are all Gambians.UDP has all tribes includding yours and mine and maybe even some members of our families like wise in the APRC,NADD or NRP.So the seed of this tribalistic discord Jammeh is trying to water in his Kanilai farm,don't try to buy the seedling for it to germinate on your garden.
Also the idea of Darboe loosing?What do you mean?Would he have been presidential candidate had he remained in NADD?i Don't support Darboe or Hamat I think both wrong in going back on their promise to Gambian.I was there when NADD was formed and I know what I am telling you but that dooesnot warrant any one to accuse them of tribalism .Far from it,no one is tribalist here.Please witdrow that as maybe one member of your family is campaigning for them.What is He/she then also tribalist?
peace
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 21:45:59
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The break up of NADD is no different from the political problems of the 1960s. Those who propagated the seeds of tribal hatred still have students around. Those divisions and wounds have still not healed and may never be.
Students of history will bear me witness. There is nothing new in Gambian politics. The alliances and counter attacks are less violent today that in 1960. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2006 : 02:56:59
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Janayafara and Kondorong. Thats based on my observation of where they mobilised themselves from and the mass support they tend to be capitalising on; which is mainly from two major tribes. It could be a very cheap observation, comment or inaccurate analysis and without any basis. However in simple terms that's the demography of the people of the Gambia. We have majorities from two major tribes and many are not educated to understand about their communal nature compared to others. In Africa mandate and initial endorsement of your political leadership is boosted from the community and ethnicity you belong. Some politicians covertly or overtly operate, mobilise or make political moves or otherwise mis-use of the popular support coming from grassroot local communities. Most of the illiterates does n't consider good manifesto, programs or political agenda as a typical under-develope country but support the individual who can communicate well with them. Some scrupulous politicians capitilise on certain weaknesses rather than ideology.
I do accept any errors committed if my thoughts and basic observation is not appreciated in some quarters. I must admit it's very hard to discern and explain how someone believe it's working.
APPOLOGIES! Let's progress on other issues! |
Edited by - kobo on 25 Aug 2006 03:07:45 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 21:35:06
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The issue of tribalism suspected to be at play in Gambian politics is mentioned by Matthew K Jallow under http://allafrica.com/stories/200609010024.html
QUOTES from above:
"Mr. Darboe is the most qualified to lead our country, and consequently my support and endorsement of him and the coalition he has forged with Mr. Hamat Bah is solid and unwavering. I am aware that many educated Fulas lack trust in Darboe, but I am also aware that this has nothing to do with Darboe as a person. Rather, it has more to do with the traditional mutual suspicion that has existed between Fulas and Mandinkas throughout history. Our only hope of getting rid of Jammeh through the ballot box is to forge the kind of coalition UDP and NRP have done. Because no single tribe has the outright majority to win an election by itself, a coalition is not only desirable; it is inevitab le if we want to end this murderous dictatorship.
The recent meeting among Messrs: Lang Tamba, Army Chief; Ousman Sonko, Police Chief; and Harry Sambou, Chief of Intelligence, all of whom like Jammeh are Jolas, is, if anything, designed to deceive us. In the first place, no such meeting could take place without it being sanctioned by Jammeh, and the fact that it has taken place at all, is one of Jammeh's sinister political mechanizations"
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Is it irrelevant, a fact or fallacy in Gambian politics? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 20:11:40
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Following from article posted above. Don't know how Matthew K. Jallow a fulla by tribe could be suspicious of tribalism at play in Gambian politics and ignored by Janyafara and others who dealt with me on this phobia?
Any comments highly solicited? |
Edited by - kobo on 02 Sep 2006 20:12:23 |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 21:39:29
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Oh my bro.Kobo,
Am alright with what anybody thinks of one way or the other about issues affecting our country as we are not talking only about my tiny little village where only one tribe lives,Instead we are talking about THE MIGHTY GAMBIA blessed with many ethnic groups with rich cultures.
Though I am not from the biggest tribe,I feel am both Mandinka ,Fula,wollof Jola Sarahule,Serer,Manjak,Karoninka,any tribe in the Gambia.
My father is from one tribe while my mother is from another[so which tribe am I really?] I also had a wife from another and my brothers and sisters married a different tribes. I see my swelf belonging to all tribes as one day,I will have many nephews,nieces ect whose mothers or fathers are from other tribes likeI have my mother from a different tyribe from my Dad.
So you see brother Kobo,I hate is other accusing the other what we both are tribalists.I think its both selfish and unfair to think of others as tribalist when we all are tribalist ourselves but we would not say it.You see when some one ask you whick tribe are you?you would never say you are manjak if you are not manjak and if someone call you manjak,you will ofcause tell him you are bainunka if you are bainunka and not manjak.That is itself tribalism because tribe is just for recognisation and easy communication amongst people lving together and nothing else.
SoI feel everybody is tribalist.No exception.
But but but There is ONE that is not tribalist.
Guest who?
Please all of you, try to answer this question for me.
peace
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Edited by - Janyanfara on 02 Sep 2006 22:00:54 |
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