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kassma
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 Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 23:37:52
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I found these two versions of the Koran passage, i first came acrossed it in one of my classes, then i researched it and found that this is actually in the Koran. is this untrue, is it a false translation. to the muslims out there, how do you thing about this?
[4.34] Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surly God is high, supreme.
[4.35] And if you fear a breach between a man and his wife, appoint an arbiter from his people and another from hers. If they wish to be reconciled God will bring them together again. Surely God is all-knowing and wise.
[4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
[4.35] And if you fear a breach between the two, then appoint judge from his people and a judge from her people; if they both desire agreement, Allah will effect harmony between them, surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 00:09:33
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| WELL WE MIGHT NEED A RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY. I AM NO BODY WHEN IT COMES TO RELIGION. |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 03:11:16
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| are you muslim though, cause this shocked me when i saw it. even though i'm not muslim, i have a lot of respect for them cause most of the ones i've known have been very disciplined and good people, and then i saw this in one of my textbooks and was shocked. maybe this is why middle easterners are so harsh towards their women |
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jambo
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 11:37:12
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"As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them" 
Kassma it is not only middle eastern men who do this, happens on every continent. If it is written it is practiced maybe not by all but there are many who will believe it because it is written in the Koran and that is the judement book. I am quite sad that this is included in a holy book. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 12:47:39
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I think one should use their commonsense there are men who beat their wives all over the world regardless of religion, and there are men who withold sex as a form of punishment in disagreements. In most incidences a reasonable man will not raise his hand to his wife with the exception of self defense. But how many would withold sex from their wives to prove a point, is it more than the wife beater or less? May hope is that it is more.
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 13:11:38
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| The Holy Coran contains measures for almost every situation in life, and things must have been far worse for women before the Prophet gave his codex. But as times have changed the Coran, inter alia an image of its era, needs to be revised and updated. Otherwise I think sooner or later women will turn away from Islam. |
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jambo
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 16:13:31
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sister omega, men who withhold sex as a punishment may find that their wives will look elsewhere. Still sad  that this is in a holy book. |
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Rainbow
Gambia
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 16:25:33
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witholding sex as a form of purnisment then who is purninshing who? |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 18:11:24
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In a polygamous marriage the husband always has a choice, the wife has none. But maybe these women have secret lovers.  That would serve the men right. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 18:19:43
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Jambo there are a lot of things that we don't necessarily practice anymore are in Holy Books. That's why we were given the power of reasoning to decide for ourselves what to do for the best. If we were to follow the line of reasoning further about witholding sex in the Qu'ranic verse quoted. I suppose at the time it was seen as a punishment to the woman because her husband had more than one wife. I take your point Rainbow because whilst the cat's away the mouse will play! But if it's sharia law they better play very quietly. Alternatively muslim women have always had the right to divorce her husband if he can't satify her.
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 20 Jul 2006 18:24:51 |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 18:25:58
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| Sister omega, I think my point is this what is disobedience it seems to be about inequality. Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 18:32:44
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| I think the verse was talking about dressing in revealing clothes. |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 18:54:29
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No, it was also about superiority and obedience. And, interesting point, this was connected with material dependence...
For me the Coran is very ambiguous: On one hand the Prophet gives women, who were without any rights before, basic rights. On the other he confirms their mistreatment. I find it very difficult for a modern woman to say yes to such a religion without reservation. |
Edited by - serenata on 20 Jul 2006 18:55:13 |
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 19:14:43
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quote:
Originally posted by serenata
In a polygamous marriage the husband always has a choice, the wife has none. But maybe these women have secret lovers. That would serve the men right.
secret lovers in the drawer maybe..? Who needs a man anyway when there are rabbits nowadays?!! heheee... |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 19:23:18
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you are so rude, rabbits indeed, your mind is elsewhere |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 19:24:24
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| RABBITS???? What do you mean? |
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