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kondorong
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 Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 19:50:14
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Originally posted by njucks
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Originally posted by kondorong
THAT IS AN ENFORCEMENT PROBLEM AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAXES.
it has because the TAX is already deducted and the person is employed. as i said earlier you're looking at it from the other side. both the employer and the person will eventually be punished irrespective of whether they paid tax or not. you see the point.
employers do that to avoid paying proper wages. The momenet you engaged in an illegal business transaction, evrthying else stands on a quick sand including the tax which is ilegal. an ilegal business should not have been set up in the first place let alone be allowed to collect taxes of behalf of the state. TAX IS LEGITIMATE AND YOU CANNOT OR SHOULD DO ANY ILLIGITIMATE ACT ON BEHALF OF A LEGITIMATE ENTITY. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 19:58:17
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Originally posted by njucks
you're wrong. just because you pay tax doesn't guarantee you anything.
i can erect an illegal structure and conduct business and live there squatting. a tax collect can pass by during his daily rounds and collect his money.
eventually when the rightfull owner of the land or the building permit guys come by i will loose everything irrespective of long long i have been paying tax.
you go to The Gambia and build a shop on someone's empty plot of land. you can make you millions and pay you taxes. Those taxes will never legitimise you occupancy. infact if it is my land i will charge you 'rent' retrospectively.
i have tried to give you different examples. if you're not convinced then i give up. but you are wrong will this type of thinking.
Come one. Even a kindergaaten knows the difference between rent and tax. RENT IS NOT TAX. YES I CAN USE YOUR LAND AND BUILD A BUSINESS THERE AND PAY YOU RENT. THE TAX IS SOMETHING DIFFRENT. BY THE WAY, ZONING LAWS MUST ALLOW FOR A BUSINESS TO BE ERECTED, I WOULD NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE, PROPER BULIDING CODES, EMPLOY LEGAL PEOPLE AND DECLARE TAXES ON MY BUSINESS. IF THIS IS DONE NO PROBLEM.
HOWEVER THE MOMENET I EMPLOY AN ILLEGAL, I HAVE BROKEN THE LAW AND THA TAX PAID BY THE EMPLOYEE IS ILLEGAL BEACUSE IT WAS GENERATED ILLEGALLY. THIS IS THE LAW. WHETHER YOU ARE LOOKING AT HT HUMANITARIAN ASPECT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHY THE LAW S BLIND. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 20:02:37
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Originally posted by kondorong
The momenet you engaged in an illegal business transaction, evrthying else stands on a quick sand including the tax which is ilegal. an ilegal business should not have been set up in the first place
now that we have completed the circle. does this remarkable conclusion of yours apply to the fate of those in Bakau as i proposed initailly.
my original statements
1.''those stores were illegal contructions on the roadside. infact some of them not only make a living there but they lived there with their families.''
2.''if you live in a place without a proper permit you risk loosing everything anyday no matter how long.''
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 20:08:37
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No. those peole should not have been allowed to erect structures in the first place. Now that they have and are paying taxes, then, they expect RIGHTS AND SHOULD NOT BE PUSHED AROUND BEACUE THE STATE COLLECTED ILLEGAL MONEY FROM THEM AND SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPNED. THE MOMENET THEY COLLECTED TAXES, THEY HAVE IMPLICITLY LEGALISED THEIR TRANSACTIONS AND SHOULD HONOR THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS UNDER A PROPER TAX SYATEM.
THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD EMPLOY COMPETENT PEOPLE IN PUBLIC OFFICE SO THAT PROBLEMS ARE NIPPED IN THE BUD. INFACT THIS SO CALLED SQUATTING IS AN INDICATION OF FAILURES OF THE STATE TO PROVIDE AN ORGANISED AND DESCENT BUSINESS AVENUES FOR ITS CITIZENS. WHEN THE STATE FAILS TO DO ITS WORK, THE CITIZENS DO IT THEMSELVES WHICH LEADS TO CHAOS. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 20:23:10
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i think you're leading me into chaos.
to be specific thoses people in Bakau are guineans immigrants not gambians. but i guess this doesnt matter to you. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 20:23:29
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Originally posted by kondorong
No. those peole should not have been allowed to erect structures in the first place. Now that they have and are paying taxes, then, they expect RIGHTS AND SHOULD NOT BE PUSHED AROUND BEACUE THE STATE COLLECTED ILLEGAL MONEY FROM THEM AND SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPNED. THE MOMENET THEY COLLECTED TAXES, THEY HAVE IMPLICITLY LEGALISED THEIR TRANSACTIONS AND SHOULD HONOR THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS UNDER A PROPER TAX SYATEM.
I WOULD ONLY SUPPORT YOUR LINE OF ACTION IF THE STATE HAS NOT COLLECTED TAXES FROM THEM. Under constititional law, it is illegal to tax an illegal transaction. An illegal transaction should be prosecuted under law period. The state also became a culprit in the Game and heads must roll.
THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD EMPLOY COMPETENT PEOPLE IN PUBLIC OFFICE SO THAT PROBLEMS ARE NIPPED IN THE BUD. INFACT THIS SO CALLED SQUATTING IS AN INDICATION OF FAILURES OF THE STATE TO PROVIDE AN ORGANISED AND DESCENT BUSINESS AVENUES FOR ITS CITIZENS. WHEN THE STATE FAILS TO DO ITS WORK, THE CITIZENS DO IT THEMSELVES WHICH LEADS TO CHAOS.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 20:27:18
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Originally posted by njucks
i think you're leading me into chaos.
to be specific thoses people in Bakau are guineans immigrants not gambians. but i guess this doesnt matter to you.
It matters to me. If they are non Gambians but legally staying there, then they have rights like any Gambian and should be respected. The state should not collect taxes if their busnesses were illegal in the first place. However, If they are illegals, then they must try to change their status and conform to the laws of the Land. Hard working illegal immigrants should be assisted to legalise their stay. I am not talking about citizenship. Our laws are very clear on that. Naturalisationis posible and should be pursued.
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