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toubab1020
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Janko
Gambia
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 Posted - 14 Aug 2012 : 01:49:24
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Clearly. a preservation of British history ... in Gambia
"The colonial building, which has never benefitted from any major renovation work since it was built ... first occupied in 1898..."
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Aug 2012 : 13:21:13
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Janko,Ok I agree with you there it probably is preservation of British history which is part of Gambian history that you cannot negate.I am not going to say Ah.yes the British should have renovated and looked after this place much better,there are still historic buildings that are falling down in Britain today,because they have served their purpose and are no longer required for that purpose,it is not sensible for any government to renovate and retain redundant buildings for which there is no longer a use.
Momodou and I had a short discussion in past topics on bantaba where I mentioned that many traditional houses in Banjul had been cleared,here again this is seen in African eyes as progress,these places were not seen as part of Gambian history but dwellings that had served their purpose.
D10million is not a small sum for H.E. to give out to a Koli contractor,has he any experience in renovation of historic buildings,what other projects has he completed ? Who is this contractor?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 14 Aug 2012 : 15:31:26
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You are right, it has been a while since I started a topic. Time has not been kind to me, but I will try. If you observe my postings I try to have topics that have longevity and not short lived palava.
For example in your last post on this topic you said;
"...they have served their purpose ... it is not sensible for any government(British) to renovate and retain redundant buildings...
... many traditional houses in Banjul had been cleared,here again this is seen in African eyes as progress,these places were not seen as part of Gambian history but dwellings that had served their purpose.
You made a very interesting observation but then by saying "here again this is seen in African eyes as progress" whiles for the British it is a sensible act, makes your position funny.
toubab, I have nothing against you being here and uttering your "personal opinions". But some of your expressions are hard to ignor.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Aug 2012 : 17:49:29
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"whiles for the British it is a sensible act, makes your position funny."
You are mistaken, I did not write those words,
The words I did write are "in Britain today,because they have served their purpose and are no longer required for that purpose,it is not sensible for any government to renovate and retain redundant buildings for which there is no longer a use."
Time has not been kind to any of us you are not alone.
In your last posting again, you gave your OWN opinion on the topic under discussion ,Err......... NO but all you gave was "You made a very interesting observation but then by saying "here again this is seen in African eyes as progress" whiles for the British it is a sensible act, makes your position funny. "
Hardly adding to any developing discussion on the topic but a prod at the toubab again,who has the temerity to give his opinion.
It is true to say that Whities are different from Africans,just as it is true to say Arabs are different to Africans.
Am I wrong in thinking that Africans cannot take any form of soul searching in what they do or how they do it and are always right and those who hold differing views should be ignored.?
Bantaba in Cyberspace readers apparently like our interactions, I won't say discussions, judging from the jump in readers of this topic.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Aug 2012 : 22:22:24
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Toubab - put your happy hat on for progress. Have you ever made a visit to the area & stayed for any length of time?
Nice to see the picture of the Governor's small residence.
On two occasions in the very early nineties I had overnight stays in this residence for under ten dalasis. I am pleased to see that they are going to re-build in this lovely location, it maybe the first step towards building up the area and in a few years see families returning from Banjul. |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
Edited by - sab on 15 Aug 2012 22:37:13 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Aug 2012 : 23:58:29
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Thanks SAB,I have never visited the place.I feel that you have misunderstood my words,I have no problem with the renovation of the Governor's residence that is the business of The Gambian Government, What I do have a problem with is that Janko appeared to want the British to repair and maintain a building that they no longer required in the way that I suspect that it was maintained in whilst the British were using it for their colonial time.
Gambia having been given its Independence and associated responsibility for running a country,its infrastructure,it's civic buildings,it's history and historical artifacts.
If Gambians and their administration decide to take a different course and thereby lose the history of their land,again their business.
Progress in all areas great,but with associated loss of history that can never exist again,not a sensible option, again in my opinion.I hope that you now understand what I was trying to convey in my post.
I also hope that the selected contractor will restore the building and not decide to build a swish new place,and thereby lose some of Gambia's history and heritage,I note your words "going to re-build in this lovely location"
Have you got access to any pictures that you may have taken during your stay or any pictures of the area? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 16 Aug 2012 00:11:07 |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 00:21:11
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I understood exactly.
Janko is referring to Gambian history, that is when time started for him/her - not colonial history.
There is to be NO renovation of the governor's residence - it is going to be demolished.
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 12:58:45
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Thanks Sab, for making it simple and that the building will be demolished.
Toubab, there must be a misunderstanding somewhere.
In my opinion that building is as redundant to the Gambia as it is to the British.
What I mean is ; if it is rational for the British not to renovate a redundant colonial building in Gambia, why should it be progressive for Gambia to renovate that same redundant building.
How can the renovation of a redundant colonial building be more important than the preservation of Gambian history without which there is no colonial history.
You see why I keep asking -what do you mean by this and that, toubab.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 16 Aug 2012 13:01:52 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 13:13:29
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What can I say ? Not my country,not my home, not my history,do Gambians care about these things ?
The Romans conquered Britain in time past,the Romans taught us many many ways towards progress which on the whole we accepted gladly,we Brits are proud of our heritage and do not demolish it now.
It is true in the 1960's many old buildings and houses both big and small were demolished and not reused to be replaced in some instances by concrete tower blocks built cheaply that were supposed to be the dawn of a new way of living for people,what happened there,the biggest breakup of established societies in the recent history of Britain.
If your information is accurate Sab,I have no doubt at all that it is,if that's what the administration of Gambia wants to do,so be it,personally I think that they should think again and reevaluate a decision that cannot be undone and Gambian History will be the poorer. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 15:30:36
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I only read it from your link..Governor Touray further disclosed that the deputy governor’s residence will be completely demolished,
Gambians do care about their country, they want progress & that is what they see with new buildings and renovation regardless as to how hungry they are but you as an english person see, hear, feel differently. You/we will never be able to change that fact, but it is good to see your opinions and let us respect what Gambia is trying to do, with or without mistakes. The UK over time has made a mountain of mistakes...
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 17:16:55
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Agreed Sab,but hopefully we MAY have something learned from our mistakes,but looking at the state of my county now it seems more and more unlikely that we may have learned ............very very little ! and just like the Gambia stumble on and on getting..............where? No one seems to know. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 16 Aug 2012 17:18:37 |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 18:12:41
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but hopefully we MAY have something learned from our mistakes,but looking at the state of my county now it seems more and more unlikely that we may have learned ............very very little
Thanks Toubab, typically example of mistakes (in recent days) or more to the point hypocritical is the closing ceremony of the Olympics i.e. the athletes taking part are under a huge scrutiny for a substance/drug that will enhance their performance but just look at the performers/singers & models on the closing night – full of convictions for social drug taking. The country overall (me included) were rapturous of their performance!
I'm in trouble for diverting the subject...Now back to building works.. |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Aug 2012 : 18:19:08
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Best stick to corrugated iron an bricks Sab,otherwise you may get a message from Admin  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 16 Aug 2012 18:19:52 |
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