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turk
USA
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 Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 16:40:15
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Here is the issue. Gambian national assembly has members from different riding. Mostly they are influential people of these ridings with economic and political influence, but they are not necessarily expert on public management, law, legislation, technology. Here is my proposal. The following is just an example
Let us say, currently there are 100 spots. And they are all come from the ridings based on the current election system. My proposal is to reduce this number to 50. Basicially 50 of them still are elected based on the existing system. The other 50 is elected based on the poll from the national reserve. They will be the representative of Gambia which do not represent the local riding. They are representative of whole Gambia. These people do not need to be influential people from the ridings and they do not owe anything to ridings voters. They are for the whole nation, this way non-influential people without power but expert and technocrats type, experts can go to national assembly.
For example
Party A get 60 percent vote
Part B gets 30 percent vote
Part C gets 10 percent vote
That means Party A sends 30 national representative, Party B sends 15, Party C sends 5.
What do you think?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 03 Aug 2011 16:42:37 |
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 18:30:36
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It a mouse trap to cement absolute dictatorship!
Let the Gambian people decide who represent them through the ballot box. Just give democracy a chance.
This proposal, suggestion or whatever, is a non starter. We need more full democracy, not half baked
democracy.
The Gambian constitution is loud and clear, when obeyed...............................................LOL!
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 18:49:54
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Kitab
It's called a balance National assembly Kitab , The Mouse trap to cement absolute dictatorship is the alternate.I have a tendency to lean towards what my Man is spewing right now..................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 19:13:32
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Have you ever heard a word of Bicameralism? It is not exactly what I am proposing here, but there are multiple legislative branch and multiple election of the legislative branch are common in most democracies in the world.
Kitab - why do you always post the dumbest post? Only half or empty brain people like you would make such comment. How is it half baked democracy? Do you even understand the suggestion. Geeez... Try to understand first before replying things. I never said aliens are deciding. Neither someone else. Gambians will vote for those people representing nation as whole.
Those 50 (Or it would be 60/40 or 70/30) also will be elected by Gambian people. Gambians still decide who will represent them from the poll. People will decide who will be elected those being elected from national reserve. Obviously most votes get the priority. The only difference is these members represent the nation rather than individual region. They may not be popular people but their qualification and expertise are reason for their candidacy.
When political party choose these candidate, they usually think who is more popular and who would get more vote. They are not necessarily thinking about who is the best candidate with 'skills, knowledge and expertise'.
Here is the advantages:
1. These people can be more technocrat type, experts. In riding representatives usually are powerful people with influence. This give opportunity for those not powerful and influential but expert on fields like technology, law, agriculture, public administration.
2. They don't have to be partisan for their region. They are representing whole nation. Mr X of riding X of Banjul only worry about the public spending for Banjul. But these national reserved member could be motivated by national interests and see the big picture.
3. These members even be representatives from 'social/economic groups' rather than 'regions'. For example, from teacher's union, police association, business community etc.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 03 Aug 2011 20:36:26 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 22:30:39
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turk ,don't interfere Gambia has developed what Gambia has developed,if it works for them it's OK.
(What do I know ?, I strongly dislike politics,words like "Bicameralism" mean nothing, thought up by people with such good minds that there is no room inside for common sense !) |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 22:54:58
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Every tom dick & whoever has the right to bid for a place in the National Assembly, regardless of civil
status, period. What's next, quota system based on tribe? This is true G-boys rigid perception of what
demogracy is. Shame on you two, flashing such silly thoughts. Let the people decide who represent them,
for god's sake.....................................................................................LOL!
BTW, Theory of bicameral congress:
"...Although the ideas on which bicameralism is based can be traced back to the theories developed in Ancient Sumer and later ancient Greece, ancient India, and Rome, recognizable bicameral institutions first arose in medieval Europe where they were associated with separate representation of different estates of the realm. For example, one house would represent the aristocracy, and the other would represent the commoners..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism#Theory_of_bicameral_congress
Give me a break, turku, we're living in modern times...
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 23:01:12
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Kitab-i-fool
Let me explain one more times for fools. There is no quota for anyone. National representatives would be representing of general population of Gambia and they are elected during the election by the votes decided by Gambians. The only difference is, representatives are not for specific riding. They represent all nations without any responsibility to particular riding.
Kitab-i-fool ignores the fact that USA has congress and house of common. Canada has parliament and senate. Also, my proposal is not creating two different assembly. It is all about how the members are elected.
This is particularly important because national representatives will be motivated by more by national interests rather than regional interest. Parties can field candidates regardless of local riding. They can nominate experts, technocrats are not necessarily popular in local ridings.
Also, maybe your dysfunctional brain react something visual. Focus on blue. There are hundreds of states have bicameral legislation.
Nations with bicameral legislatures in blue.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 04 Aug 2011 01:17:21 |
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
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Posted - 04 Aug 2011 : 01:20:50
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Focus on blue, with shades of grey, turku.
"...There are two streams of thought: Critics believe bicameralism makes meaningful political reforms more difficult to achieve and increases the risk of gridlock (particularly in cases where both chambers have similar powers), while proponents argue the merits of the "checks and balances" provided by the bicameral model, which they believe help prevent the passage into law of ill-considered legislation..."
Our Gambian system works fine, as long as it's respected and not rudely trampled upon by people like you.
Hands off from our genuine democracy. The wheel has already been invented............................lol!
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Edited by - Kitabul Arerr on 04 Aug 2011 01:24:06 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2011 : 02:36:45
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THE FACTS AND REALITIES ON THE GROUND WITH DAILY NEWS Friday, July 15, 2011- ON WHICH Sidia Blames Gambia’s Failure on Lawmakers Says they Failed the Nation
"A veteran Gambian politician and National Assembly member for Wuli West constituency, Sidia Jatta on Sunday, July 10, 2011 blamed Gambia’s failure on the National Assembly of The Gambia, saying that parliamentarians have failed the nation.
Jatta who described some of the assembly members as sycophants and rubberstamps Said: “National Assembly members are responsible for the stagnation of progress of this country.
Sidia was speaking at a mass political rally held at Nusrat Junction in Bundung organised by People’s Democratic Organisation for independence and Socialism (PDOIS).
“There are National Assembly members who do not even contribute during debates in the House as lawmakers who should scrutinise every bill before adoption,” he said at his party’s former stronghold.
He said the meeting is a non-partisan meeting but a consultation to salvage The Gambia from bad governance.
According to him, the extravagant life of the ruling APRC government surpasses that of the former PPP government.
“The current government has chided the former regime for all sorts of financial indiscipline but the current president is receiving D52, 000 as monthly salary, which has tripled the salary of a medical doctor,” he said.
“Imagine a medical doctor who would try to be alert up to odd hours in the night for any emergency that requires quick response.”
The veteran politician and the longest serving opposition parliamentarian in the administration of the APRC said leadership is not a position of privilege, but of sacrifice to serve the common and legitimate interest of the nation.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2011 : 04:22:52
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| Nice one Sidia Jatta. Keep up. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 00:50:08
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1. RELATED NAWEC again in the news - ‘NAWEC Spends Millions of Gambian Taxpayers’ Money In Vain’ - HON. S. BAH APRC
2. FOROYAA Editorial : WHERE WILL THE 219 MILLION SUPPLEMENTARY APPROPRIATIONS COME FROM?
"Recently, the Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs introduced a bill requesting the National Assembly members to approve an additional sum of 219 Million Dalasi to add to this year’s National Budget.
Where will the money come from is of interest to Foroyaa. It is strange that 20 Million is going to the office of the Independent Electoral Commission. Why should they wait until now to allocate money to the Independent Electoral Commission?
The Constitution is very clear on what should be done annually to ensure that the Independent Electoral Commission is well funded.
Section 44 of the Constitution states that “The Independent Electoral Commission shall submit its annual estimates of expenditure to the President for presentation to the National Assembly in accordance with this Constitution. The President shall cause the estimates to be placed before the National Assembly without amendment, but may attach to them his or her own comments and observations.”
If this was done since the budget session for this financial year, the Minister would not be requesting for supplementary allocation.
We are informed that tax revenue would finance D4 billion of this year’s budget, while non tax revenue would finance D522 million of the budget. External resources are supposed to be utilised to finance D328 Million while domestic resources are supposed to be utilised to finance 1D20 Million of the deficit.
Where then will the D219 million come from?
We will not be surprise if it comes from public borrowing from domestic and external sources. In short, the Minister has already said that a deficit of D466 million is anticipated for the 2011 financial year. We would not be surprised that in the next budget speech the deficit would increase and public borrowing will also increase. The country is living on debt and unlike countries that receive surplus investments and savings from other parts of the world and could print their own money backed by external investment on bonds to meet debt obligations, Gambia has to remain credit worthy in order to continue to attract money through Treasury bills. Otherwise privatization and cuts in public spending would be the order of the day.
This will increase the hardship of the people." Foroyaa |
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