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gambiabev

United Kingdom
3091 Posts

Posted - 17 Mar 2011 :  22:56:54  Show Profile Send gambiabev a Private Message
Either you are stupid or are deliberately misunderstanding me?
I'm not going to respond anymore.

At the moment I am more interested in New Zealand and Japan and the problems people there are experiencing, than petty points scoring on here.

I am a sociologist by degree, many moons ago, so I refer back to my learning when it comes to defining things such as poverty.

Most Gambians still live a life of subsistence and that leaves them vulnerable to hunger.Most people in UK are not so vulnerable.

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Sister Omega



United Kingdom
2085 Posts

Posted - 18 Mar 2011 :  00:05:23  Show Profile  Visit Sister Omega's Homepage Send Sister Omega a Private Message
I work in the welfare to work sector here in the UK and my job is to get the hardest to reach communities into sustainable employment I have BSc Hons in Geography, Advice and Guidance, teaching qualifications to name a few. As you will also see on my homepage that I too am also concerned about the Natural diasters affecting the planet. In addition to that my interest in Gambia isn't purely as hobby. I also have a family who I contribute to like hundreds of Gambians in the Diaspora. And your point is? Now tell all of the Public Sector workers facing unemployment in the UK that they won't be vulnerable from efficiency savings. Tell the youth in the Uk that they aren't vulnerable as Youth unemployment has increased to its levels in 17 years. Plus all of those people facing homelessness that they ain't vulnerable from losing their jobs! Bev you need to listen to the news and stop living in a bubble.

peace

Sister Omega

quote:
Child Poverty Statistics
National Indicator 116: The Proportion of children in poverty
Definition: The proportion of children living in families in receipt of out of work benefits or tax credits where their reported income is less than 60% median income

The proportion of children in poverty is calculated as follows:
Notes:

Children in IS/JSA (income Support/Job Seekers Allowance) families:
Number of children living in families in receipt of Income Support or Income-Based Jobseekers Allowance

Children in families receiving WTC and CTC, and income <60% median income:
Number of children living in families in receipt of both Child Tax Credit and Working Tax Credit whose reported income is less than 60 per cent of median income

Children in families receiving CTC only, and income <60% median income:
Number of children living in families receiving Child Tax Credit (CTC) only whose reported income is less than 60 per cent of median income

Children in families in receipt of CTC (<60% median income) or IS/JSA:
Number of children living in families in receipt of Child Tax Credit whose reported income is less than 60 per cent of the median income or in receipt of Income Support or Income-Based Jobseekers Allowance

% of Children in "Poverty":
Number of children living in families in receipt of CTC whose reported income is less than 60 per cent of the median income or in receipt of IS or (Income-Based) JSA, divided by the total number of children in the area (determined by Child Benefit data)

Under 16:
Children aged under 16

All Children:
All dependent children under the age of 20

Comparison to DWP Child Poverty figures:
These estimates show the aggregation of the small area estimates of the proportion of children in poverty to Government Office Region level. This allows users to see how an area's small area estimate of poverty compares with the Government Office Region it lies within.
However, for National Statistics data on child poverty at Government Office Region, please refer to the Department of Work and Pensions' Households Below Average Income publication which uses the relative child poverty measure as set out in the Child Poverty Act 2010. The small area estimates are not directly comparable with the national figures.
The publication can be found on the DWP website: http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/hbai.asp

For more information and definitions please refer to the technical note available at:
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/personal-tax-credits/menu.htm

If you have any queries regarding these statistics including their interpretation please contact:
contacts.CPU@childpovertyunit.gsi.gov.uk





Peace
Sister Omega

Edited by - Sister Omega on 18 Mar 2011 00:49:19
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gambiabev

United Kingdom
3091 Posts

Posted - 18 Mar 2011 :  10:13:27  Show Profile Send gambiabev a Private Message
You missed one important word. They are not SO vulnerable.
We have hard times ahead. I know that.
Once again, I say that I think we are all on the same side: wanting to help the 'underdog'.



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MeMe



United Kingdom
541 Posts

Posted - 18 Mar 2011 :  11:20:20  Show Profile Send MeMe a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev

You missed one important word. They are not SO vulnerable.
We have hard times ahead. I know that.
Once again, I say that I think we are all on the same side: wanting to help the 'underdog'.




And you, Bev are missing one very simple yet important note here .... vulnerability cannot be measured by someone sitting in their nice cozy middle class livingroom nor can poverty!

When someone is hungry they are hungry and when someone feels insecure then they feel insecure and you cannot sit and tell them that is not the case because they don't happen to live in the Gambia! Would you go and tell someone who is struggling in the Gambia that they should just get on with it because there are people much worse off in India or Afghanistan??

That is what is bothering me with your posts ... it's not about point scoring but about your often blinkered view of the world!

It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 26 Mar 2011 :  11:16:20  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
I think Bev is not the one living in bubble. It is opposite.


quote:
Population of the Gambia 1.7 million .... child poverty in the UK 1.6 million ....


Population of UK is 60,000,000. The rate of the children suffering from child poverty is 3 %.

Population of Gambia is 1.6 Million. The rate of the children suffering from child poverty is do you know what percent? 80 %? I would say it is only small percentage of Gambians are wealthy.

In Gambia child mortality rate is total: 71.67 deaths/1,000 live births
In Uk total: 4.62 deaths/1,000 live births

The situation is almost 17 times worse.

OK, I would take some argument that Gambian social fabric is different. More family support system. Blah blah. Yeah, you could have some argument about it. But there is too much gap between two, Gambia and UK. There is no question that things are improving, but it is ridiculous even attempt to compare the situation in UK to Gambia. Further, mathematically, it is plain dumpy.




diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 26 Mar 2011 11:21:36
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toubab1020



12314 Posts

Posted - 26 Mar 2011 :  12:04:33  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Turk,your holiday has done you a power of good .
You make a very common sense response when you say in your posting above:

"OK, I would take some argument that Gambian social fabric is different. More family support system. Blah blah. Yeah, you could have some argument about it. But there is too much gap between two, Gambia and UK. There is no question that things are improving, but it is ridiculous even attempt to compare the situation in UK to Gambia. Further, mathematically, it is plain dumpy."

Probably not very P.C. (politically correct) though

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.

Edited by - toubab1020 on 26 Mar 2011 12:06:38
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Sister Omega



United Kingdom
2085 Posts

Posted - 26 Mar 2011 :  19:34:21  Show Profile  Visit Sister Omega's Homepage Send Sister Omega a Private Message
quote:
"OK, I would take some argument that Gambian social fabric is different. More family support system. Blah blah. Yeah, you could have some argument about it. But there is too much gap between two, Gambia and UK. There is no question that things are improving, but it is ridiculous even attempt to compare the situation in UK to Gambia. Further, mathematically, it is plain dumpy."



Welcome back

Turk then I would suggest you speak to any of the Jobseekers living into days Britain and ask them what there reality is smart ass.
Then you have people who don't qualify for benefits and they're out of work as them as well.

You guys aint got a clue about poverty in the countries you live in so how can you possible say that it doesn't exist.

The reality is that the majority of the world's people are poor and it's the minority that are rich. Wherever you travel and live on the world ypu will come across poor people. So Turk name me one country in the world where there aren't workless and homeless people living there. Then we should rename that country Utopia.

Peace

Sister Omega

Peace
Sister Omega

Edited by - Sister Omega on 26 Mar 2011 19:34:51
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 26 Mar 2011 :  20:02:52  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Sista

We have a consensus that there are poor everywhere. We also have consensus that majority of people are poor and minority are rich. I am aware about the poverty in western world. I have never denied that poverty exist in west. In USA, the situation is even worse than UK. But comparing UK to Gambia is, let me repeat, ridiculous. Gambia is one of the poorest country in the world. Have you heard of Human Development Index. UK is one of the highest.

Forget about the statistic. I have lived both in UK and Gambia, it is so obvious how different the scale of poverty in both countries.


diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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snuggels

960 Posts

Posted - 27 Mar 2011 :  13:51:29  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020

Hmmmmmmmmm.........you think you are alone We want a holiday in the sun ............where should we go ........any ideas




I posted a list of some of the cheapest countries in the world to visit. The choice is yours
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toubab1020



12314 Posts

Posted - 27 Mar 2011 :  14:44:38  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Took me a bit of time to find your list,
Which is here:
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10386

quote:
Originally posted by snuggels

quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020

Hmmmmmmmmm.........you think you are alone We want a holiday in the sun ............where should we go ........any ideas




I posted a list of some of the cheapest countries in the world to visit. The choice is yours


"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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gambiabev

United Kingdom
3091 Posts

Posted - 27 Mar 2011 :  21:33:27  Show Profile Send gambiabev a Private Message
Turk,

Thanks for your statistics and common sense analysis.

We agree:
1. Yes there is poverty in every country
2. Yes in all countries the % of rich is very small compared to the average

BUT to say the UK is as bad or worse than Gambia (like sister Omega)
is ridiculous.

In the uk we have free health care and free education.
We have a benefits system.

Our life expectancy is much higher....and so on and so on.

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Sister Omega



United Kingdom
2085 Posts

Posted - 27 Mar 2011 :  23:11:17  Show Profile  Visit Sister Omega's Homepage Send Sister Omega a Private Message
The Big Question on BBC 1 stated this morning at 10am that Britain has one of the greatest disparities between rich and poor on the planet. Bev and Turk now tell the rough sleepers sleeping in the doorways of Oxford Circus how rich they are. Also tell the slaves living in many British homes how rich they are. Tell the workless how rich they are. Tell the old aged pensions on state pensions many of whom die of hypertherma because they can't afford to heat their homes how rich they are. Tell all of those workless families with children how rich they are. Tell the schools who provide school children who are individually homeless without families how rich they are. And lastly tell all of those people who are sick and no longer are eligible for old Incapacity Benefit and are now made to actively seek work how rich they are. Especially when they are incapable of finding work and the government says they will have to under the new work programme and if they don't there benefits will be cut off for three years. In that time they can claim absolute nothing! They will tell you that you're absolutely crazy or f****** stupid.

As for you Turk you don't even live in the UK. Right now Britain is following the West Contsance Cincinati.US model. Why? Because it has the biggest deficit now than it even had after World War 11. Don't take my word for any of this. Just keep tuned into the news as more and more people in Britain take to the streets like they did yesterday in London to protest about the severity of the Efficency Savings the UK Government is making. In real terms this there are going to be thousands of job and that is a conservative measurement. Bev you talk about free healthcare but what you failed to add that there will be hospital and ward closures. The Public sector is going to shrink including education where the biggest cuts are going to be made. In addition the most vulnerable in society will feel the pinch including Special Needs. Now are you going to tell millions of people living in Britain how rich they are!


Peace

Sister Omega

Peace
Sister Omega

Edited by - Sister Omega on 27 Mar 2011 23:14:16
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 27 Mar 2011 :  23:20:12  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Sista

You are repeating that there are economic problems, poverty exist in UK. Tell us something we don't know. This is a common knowledge, everyone knows. But you have not brought to this topic any statistics, facts or convincing argument that the poverty in UK even comparable to the one in Gambia.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 28 Mar 2011 00:13:08
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gambiabev

United Kingdom
3091 Posts

Posted - 27 Mar 2011 :  23:52:23  Show Profile Send gambiabev a Private Message
Sister Omega

I support the march that happened yesterday in the Uk. I work in the public sector. I am a Special needs teacher and I am concerned about the impact of the cuts on the parents of the children I work with.

Sister I wouldn't say to anyone in Uk that they aren't poor, just that compared to the poor in Gambia they are in a better position.

Most people in UK have enough food to eat.
Most people in Uk have an education.
Most people in UK have health care, so they have inoculations etc

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gambiabev

United Kingdom
3091 Posts

Posted - 28 Mar 2011 :  00:04:41  Show Profile Send gambiabev a Private Message
On the subject of slaves in UK, in Yorkshire I am not aware of this.
I have read about this in London and my understanding is the it is not UK people bringing in slaves, but people such as diplomats and business people from mainly Arab nations.

If people come freely and are paid then that is acceptable, but if people are trafficked and/or unpaid then that is obviously unacceptable.

I would be interested to hear more about this subject. I'm always interested in learning.
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