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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05 Feb 2011 : 17:23:10
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Kobo,
Does defiance amount to having to get fired on? Femi Peters was not in jail for mere defiance. His going to jail was a political weapon employed by the armed bandits.
Defiance could also mean keeping the process of public dialogue 365- 24/7 in ways that the AFPRC does. If it is OK for them why not for others?
My observation on Halifa delivering the message LATE is laid on grounds that what he just suggested was ripe all along. He is within his rights to say it at any time. He has a choice. Equally, the moment was ripe longer enough. Does that help you understand where I derive my position on this issue?
Get me right, I will NEVER advocate for violence and have NEVER suggested that in all the 2500+ posts on this wide space of Bantaba. After all, I am not a political leader, have no followers; therefore could not COMMAND one voter. Yet I have a true unshakable VOICE that nobody can snatch away.
No living person under this cool moon is capable of stopping me. In certain equal terms, I have no worries about what anyone feels and will never try to stop anyone. Fair deal, don't you think? |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 : 17:30:07
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Originally posted by turk
sankalanka... What a sincere, honest and real piece.
I agree turk, no conflict discussion on this   |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2011 : 18:23:00
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Originally posted by Karamba
Kobo,
Does defiance amount to having to get fired on? Femi Peters was not in jail for mere defiance. His going to jail was a political weapon employed by the armed bandits.
Defiance could also mean keeping the process of public dialogue 365- 224/7 in ways that the AFPRC does. If it is OK for them why not for others?
My observation on Halifa delivering the message LATE is laid on grounds that what he just suggested was ripe all along. He is within his rights to say it at any time. He has a choice. Equally, the moment was ripe longer enough. Does that help you understand where I derive my position on this issue?
Get me right, I will NEVER advocate for violence and have NEVER suggested that in all the 2500+ posts on this wide space of Bantaba. After all, I am not a political leader, have no followers; therefore could not COMMAND one voter. Yet I have a true unshakable VOICE that nobody can snatch away.
No living person under this cool moon is capable of stopping me. In certain equal terms, I have no worries about what anyone feels and will never try to stop anyone. Fair deal, don't you think?
PDOIS HAVE DONE THIS AGES AGO AND IS IN THE ARCHIVES. THIS PRESS RELEASE IS JUST AN IMPROVEMENT BASED ON FEMI PETER'S PRECEDENCE! PDOIS IS NOT COMPLACENT TO ALLOW ITS MEMBERS, SUPPORTERS & SYMPATHISERS FED TO THE WOLVES; IN HOSTILE POLITICAL TERRAIN OF OUR COUNTRY
YOU APPEAR TO BE LOOSING YOUR COOL TEMPER? WHY? ARE YOU FORWARDING CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS OR EXPRESSING DESPAIR YOU CAN FORWARD BETTER ALTERNATIVE COURSE OF ACTIONS, SOUND RESOLUTIONS & STRATEGIES
PLEASE RE-VISIT THESE RELEVANT QUOTES:"....most of those who chose to stay away are those who question the bravery and wherewithal of the opposition leaders on the ground. This attitude leads me to call on those who characterize the opposition on the ground as inept and useless, to pack their things and go back to the Gambia and lead the struggle. I think it is quite hypocritical for one to sit thousands of miles away with the comfort of a laptop and throw diatribes at those who are doing their best according to their circumstances, yet when one is called upon to do a fraction of what one is demanding from the opposition leaders, one is nowhere to be found."
"Coming to the Gambia Neither Ousainou nor Halifa is out of touch with the electorate. Darboe has been one of the leading defenders of human rights in the Country, and has been representing ordinary Gambians, listening to and understanding their concerns. He conducts all his campaigns in the local languages mostly in madinka and wollof both of which he speaks fluently, he is also surrounded by very eloquent and seasoned politicians. The same can be said about Halifa, who for the past thirty-two years since returning to the Gambia, working at the social welfare office, working with the society for the blind to the formation of the People’e Democratic Organization For Independence and Socialism – PDOIS, has been and continues to work directly with people, helping them solve their problems and fight their battles. So here, one can see that these personalities are really in touch with the people they hope to one day lead. What one can question is their tactics and not their understanding of the Gambian electorate and what ails our nation." Pa Samba Jow PDOIS
I REPEAT AGAIN; "WHAT ONE CAN QUESTION IS THEIR TACTICS"?
THIS PRESS RELEASE IS FOR SENSITIZATION AS PDOIS DEEMED IT FIT, WISE & TIMELY TO CONDUCT ITS OWN POLITICAL ACTIVITIES TO ACHIEVE ITS TARGETS OR OBJECTIVE
IN THE ABSENCE OF ALTERNATIVE COURSE OF ACTION I CONSIDER YOUR COMMENTS AS ATTEMPTING TO DISCREDIT PDOIS EFFORTS UNJUSTIFIABLY
IF YOU QUESTION OPPOSITION PARTIES (OR PDOIS) TACTICS PLEASE RECOMMEND AN ALTERNATIVE
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2011 : 02:11:20
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Kobo,
My comments relate to OTHER political parties of Gambia. I mean ALL apart from AFPRC. I am not in the business o
f which party out-performs others by number game or quality and wisdom of strategy. My focus is on the big picture of the political environment and the structures.
For now, no political party made their way. Don't you agree with that?
What appears to showing up most often is this situation that after all the foot stamping and dust throwing, the ball remains where it always turns.
I respect the efforts and tactics of every political engagement in Gambia. Missing the ball is all that keeps coming out clear.
Both PDOIS and UDP have their own ways. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 06 Feb 2011 : 02:23:17
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Karamba, a good dimension to your views. Your criticism of all the opposition parties is necessary and a food for internal self-examination. To disrupt the criminal enterprise, more concerted efforts are demanded. And you have done your quarter here in distsilling Yahya' every mafia rule. The guy is now so rich, he can buy every Gambian child a house. Can you believe that, 15 years ago, this same man was penniless, fragile, skinny and riff raff. How pious!! swallowing the wealth of a whole nation yet carrying the Qur'an all over the place. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2011 : 03:59:33
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Santanfara,
You got the message clear and thanks for that. Other political parties have the sharp tip of the dagger at each other leaving the big snake to escape in that green grass.
It is not just working and that has to be recognised and improved. This election 2011 has nothing in stock when anyone cares to take account of things without fear or favour.
Ask for a solution and one would imagine the challenge is for parties to refuse going to the polls with Yaya Jammeh and to demand a break from AFPRC misrule by having an intereme government. This criminal regime of Yaya Jammeh will never want to see normalcy in Gambia.
Other parties still have a chance to decide not going to polls and demand Yaya out of the show. Going to polls is simply to consolidate the criminal regime. This type of defiance is non violence.
In the look of things, it appears the parties think they are fit for the show. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2011 : 12:17:05
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YOU KNOW WHAT KRAMBA. PLEASE DO JUSTICE TO THIS PRESS RELEASE AND MOVE TO OTHER TOPICS TO EXPRESSED YOUR CONCERNS WITH JAMMEH/APRC GOVERNMENT? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE TO SCORE A POINT WITH PDOIS IN THIS PUBLIC NOTICE; AS THERE IS NO COMPLACENCY WITH THEM IN OUR POLITICAL AFFAIRS
IT APPEARS YOU HAVE NOT CAREFULLY DIGEST THIS PRESS RELEASE? IF UDP CAME OUT WITH THIS KIND OF TACTIC THERE IS NO WAY FEMI PETERS WOULD HAVE BEEN JAILED? IF YOU DON'T WANT TO APPRECIATE IT, PLEASE REVISIT AND TAKE NOTE OF THE SUBSTANCE?
FOCUS ON THE THE PUBLIC NOTICE (FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE & OBJECTIVE) AS EACH SENTENCE IS CLEAR IN THE PRESS RELEASE AS FOLLOWS;
- " This is to inform all PDOIS members, supporters and sympathisers that they have every right to move about the country freely, meet people at their homes, farms, vous, and other chatting places and engage them in discussion on the vision the party for the country. You are only required to have a permit if you want to use an instrument like a public address system to hold a meeting in a public place. Your constitutional rights as a sovereign Gambian are guaranteed by the constitution under Section 25 subsection (1) paragraphs (a) and (d) which stipulate that every person shall have the right to freedom of speech and expression and freedom to assemble peaceably. "
- "The law states categorically that political parties may be established to participate in the shaping of the political will of the people, to disseminate information of political ideas and on political, economic and social programmes of a National Character, and to sponsor candidates for public elections."
- "The number of political parties shall not be limited by law and every citizen of the Gambia shall have the right freely to choose whether or not he or she will become a member of a political party and which party he or she will support."
- "Be alerted that APRC is working underground to consolidate its grip on power. We must not be naive to think that we could wait until the day for election is declared to start work and expect to get a different electoral outcome which favours the opposition. We are free to work and we should work harder than the APRC to overcome them. Make sure that you do not antagonize any voter in your sensitisation campaigns since they are the very people whom we need to mobilise. Avoid those who are interested in quarrels and insults. Stick to the issues we want to raise with the people. Respect is not a gift. It is earned. If PDOIS is to get respect it must be ready to earn it. I will never be found wanting in doing whatever is necessary to ensure that PDOIS in particular and the Opposition in general earn the respect to be an alternative."
- "I will take sole responsibility for every cassette I issue and every statement that is published. Public sensitisation to combat the call for a monarchy is a right and I am solely responsible for any task I assign any one to do in the name of PDOIS as agreed with me."
- "I wish to take this opportunity to call on all the Governors, the District Chiefs, the Village Heads and the law enforcement agents to respect and uphold the letter and spirit of the Constitution and the laws of the land and create no obstacle to our sensitisation campaigns. We are not deprived of a permit. We will apply for it when we want to hold rallies. Sensitisation campaigns without using public address systems do not require permits and we do not want our campaign teams to be interrupted. They have been trained and are bound by ethical codes of conduct."
THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT PDOIS ASSESSED THE CURRENT HOSTILE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT TO CAMPAIGN OR SELL ITS AGENDA WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE LAW AND DEMOCRATIC VALUES, THREADING CAUTIOUSLY & PROGRESSIVELY TOWARDS 2011? ITS LEADERS LIVED UP-TO EXPECTATIONS WITH THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES TO PROTECT ITS MEMBERS (& EVEN OTHER OPPOSITION); WITH THIS PRESS RELEASE!
DON'T BE PART OF THE PROBLEMS BE PART OF THE SOLUTIONS
CONCERTED EFFORTS FOR ALL OPPONENTS BUT NOT UNDERMINING OF EFFORTS & RIPPING EACH OTHER APART
Long Live PDOIS! Long Live the Republic! Long Live Halifa Sallah & ALL its leaders!
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2011 : 02:13:41
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Most certainly, no point scoring Kobo. A mere observation on an aspect of Halifa's statement does not read to as meaning that PDOIS this other parties that.
Halifa made it as you rightly bolded in blues that;
"We must not be naive to think that we could wait until the day for election is declared to start work and expect to get a different electoral outcome which favours the opposition."
That is exactly what I stand by too. I totally agreed with that position and simply observed that the message is late to arrive.
Where is the injustice done to the topic Kobo? |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 07 Feb 2011 : 07:39:51
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Karamba, I think Kobo misses the political battles on Bantaba. It's getting boring! Maybe he wants to start one with you?? We are all addicted to " PDOIS this other parties that."
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Originally posted by Karamba
Most certainly, no point scoring Kobo. A mere observation on an aspect of Halifa's statement does not read to as meaning that PDOIS this other parties that.
Halifa made it as you rightly bolded in blues that;
"We must not be naive to think that we could wait until the day for election is declared to start work and expect to get a different electoral outcome which favours the opposition."
That is exactly what I stand by too. I totally agreed with that position and simply observed that the message is late to arrive.
Where is the injustice done to the topic Kobo?
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2011 : 12:15:50
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KARAMBA YOU HAVE SAID MORE THAN THAT ON THIS TOPIC AND I HAVE CHALLENGED YOU ON EACH COMMENT YOU MADE! PLEASE REVIEW YOUR MIXED MESSAGES AND MY COMMENTS
PDOIS IS A POLITICAL PARTY THAT IS NEVER COMPLACENT TO ADDRESS NATIONAL ISSUES THEY HAVE LIVED UP-TO-EXPECTATIONS SINCE FIRST REPUBLIC WITH CIVIC EDUCATION, SENSITIZATION, CAMPAIGNING AND MOBILISING PUBLIC OPINION! IT IS UP TO GAMBIANS TO DECIDE OWN DESTINY
"...the opposition figures are operating in a pretty harsh environment and should be lauded for this fact alone." The Watchman
SENEGAMBIA! YOU JUST WANT TO BE HEARD AND DERAILING ESSENCE OF PDOIS PUBLIC NOTICE TO PERSONAL ATTACKS AND PERSONALISED ISSUES
THE POLITICAL BATTLE IS AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC FOR ALL OPPONENTS NOT ON-LINE FORUM CHATS & CYBER ACADEMIC EXERCISE
AT WHAT DIMENSION OR PERSPECTIVE SHOULD CITIZENS (ESPECIALLY ALL OPPONENTS) CONSIDER AND APPRECIATE THE PDOIS PUBLIC NOTICE TO DO JUSTICE TO THE PUBLIC NOTICE PLEASE REFER TO THIS MESSAGE ADDRESSED TO ALL CITIZENS;
"We ask all our citizens to be an integral part of the change they seek by getting involved in whatever capacity suits them.Change is always a difficult task and along the way it is easy to become despondent, fearful, tired, angry, and sometimes be tempted to throw in the towel. But because the cause we have embarked upon is a just one that must be pursued, we must all strive harder to achieve these important goals. We however, can do it only if we come together as one and face the opponent. This cause is bigger than any individual or group of individuals."Lawyer Ousainou Darboe (Leader)UDP New Year Message
FROM ABOVE;
1. ARE PDOIS MEMBERS NOT CITIZENS
2. ARE PDOIS NOT ENGAGED, INVOLVED AND BE PART OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS FOR CHANGE
3. ARE PDOIS NOT PLAYING A ROLE OR CONTRIBUTING ITS QUOTA ("IN WHATEVER CAPACITY?")
4. WHY SHOULD PDOIS BE ALWAYS OSTRACIZED, UNDERMINED OR UNFAIRLY CRITICISED ESPECIALLY THIS PUBLIC NOTICE SERVING A WIDE RANGE OF PURPOSE & OBJECTIVES
5. ANY DIFFERENCES ON THE OBJECTIVE, GOAL AND APPROACH FOR THESE TWO MESSAGES;
i."we must strive harder to achieve these important goals" Lawyer Ousainou Darboe UDP Leader
ii. "We are free to work and we should work harder than APRC to overcome them" Halifa Sallah PDOIS Secretary General
BE PART OF THE SOLUTIONS BE CONSTRUCTIVE BUILD THE BRIDGES RAISE THE LADDERS
"The Gambia is not short of brilliant citizens" The Watchman
UPDATE FROM RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPIC : PDOIS Embarks on a Nationwide Sensitisation tour UNDER http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10389
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2011 : 23:04:41
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Senegambia, you are right. Kobo is really into pull and push. It appears he wants to squeeze milk out of stone and that's hard job.
Kobo, please help where you found mixed messages in any of my posts. I am open to correction. No hullo, no nghirro, no ngharro. If I made my self misundertood, I stand to be corrected. Equally, where another person emerges with information for public consumption, I prefer to filter my bit of it before swallowing.
On a wider note of observation, other political parties in Gambia seem stuck in the game for the big snake to feed on. It resembles a situation where men of higher ambition and stiff muscles constantly beat the passage and traces while the big snake escapes into a thick heap of green grass.
We all want to catch the big snake but some of us end up catching the tiny finger of our play mates. I found that very interesting |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2011 : 01:55:56
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KARAMBA AM NOT INTO ANY "PULL & PUSH" TRYING TO "SQUEEZE ANY MILK FROM STONE"! I AM JUST DEFENDING THAT THERE IS NO ROOM TO CRITICISE PDOIS ON THIS PUBLIC NOTICE YOU WANT TO DEMORALIZE THEM INSTEAD OF APPRECIATING THE HARD WORK THEY ARE DOING ON HOSTILE POLITICAL CLIMATE ON THE GROUND
YOUR FIRST COMMENTS WERE THAT OPPOSITION SHOULD STOP PLAYING RULES THAT DON'T EXIST AND YOU CLEARLY STATED THAT "Does this lead to any way out of the quagmire, Kobo? Please observe that this post is not suggesting for a bit of OPPOSITION UNITY. It is simply calling for collective defiance AGAINST rules that never exist."; WHICH I CHALLENGED
I SAID "DEFIANCE IS WHAT LANDED FEMI PETER'S INTO JAIL. DEFIANCE, STUBBORN RESISTANCE AND COUNTER VIOLENT RESOLUTIONS ARE HOSTILE, DANGEROUS AND NOT FEASIBLE NOW; TOWARDS 2011"? ARE YOU GOING TO LEAD AND BE A VISIBLE LEADER ON THE FIRING LINE?
HOWEVER I MISSED ENQUIRING; IF YOU ARE "NOT SUGGESTING FOR A BIT OF OPPOSITION UNITY" WHY ARE YOU "CALLING FOR COLLECTIVE DEFIANCE AGAINST RULES THAT NEVER EXIST" REFER ABOVE HOW CAN IT BE DONE
REMEMBER THAT I MADE THIS COMMENT; "A REVOLUTION MUST GAINED TIMELY MOMENTUM! ALSO DEFIANCE AND VIOLENT RESISTANCE MUST COME FROM A HIGHLY ORGANISED MASS OPPOSITION FORCE! ALL OPPONENTS SHOULD BE READY TO FIGHT TOGETHER FOR A NATIONAL CAUSE!! THAT'S NOT HAPPENING AND PDOIS IS FIGHTING A BATTLE WITH OWN INITIATIVES AND RESOURCES"
I ALSO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THESE COMMENTS; "PDOIS REALISED THE HOSTILE POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE AND THEY ARE READY TO EXECUTE CIVIL DUTY, FIGHT & DIE FOR CIVIL LIBERTY TO FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND! ALL CITIZENS SHOULD RALLY TOGETHER AND FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS. AND PDOIS IS ALREADY AT THE FOREFRONT; NO MATTER WHAT?"
"DO YOU WANT THEM TO BOYCOTT THE ELECTIONS OR TO ALWAYS OSTRACIZED THEM?"
YOU CAME BACK TO LECTURE ME ON WHAT YOU CONSIDER "DEFIANCE". AS YOU ARE ALREADY AWARE OF THE NATURE OF HOSTILE/DANGEROUS POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT, YOU HIGHLIGHTED OR RECOMMENDED (IN YOUR OWN WORDS);"Defiance could also mean keeping the process of public dialogue 365- 24/7 in ways that the AFPRC does. If it is OK for them why not for others?"
WE HAD FEW EXCHANGES AND THIS CAME OUT FROM YOU; "Ask for a solution and one would imagine the challenge is for parties to refuse going to the polls with Yaya Jammeh and to demand a break from AFPRC misrule by having an intereme government. This criminal regime of Yaya Jammeh will never want to see normalcy in Gambia."
"Other parties still have a chance to decide not going to polls and demand Yaya out of the show. Going to polls is simply to consolidate the criminal regime. This type of defiance is non violence."
REFER ABOVE AGAIN? WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING; "BOYCOTT"?
DIDN'T I QUESTIONED YOU EARLIER WHETHER YOU HAD THIS IN MIND
IN ADDITION TO FEMI PETERS CASE UPDATE FROM RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPIC CAN HELP CLARIFY WHY PDOIS SECRETARY GENERAL ISSUE THIS PUBLIC NOTICE : PDOIS Embarks on a Nationwide Sensitisation tour UNDER http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10389
THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS TO SPEND YOUR POTENTIALS, RESOURCEFULNESS AND ENERGY TO MOBILISE AGAINST YOUR OPPONENT OR COMPLIMENT EFFORTS OF OTHER OPPONENTS
TEAMWORK AND NOT UNDERMINING SOLIDARITY OR DEMORALISING OPPOSITION
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Senegambia
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Posted - 08 Feb 2011 : 11:00:48
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Hehe! Karamba, I like the metaphors. Very explanatory. What I admire most about Kobo is not his his admirable ability to archive and make available a library of past related debates at any given time. But rather his ability in keeping his eyes on the ball and never losing focus when all political hell breaks loose in Bantaba. I mean when Turk, Moe, Kayjatta and Shaka are involved ;) Maan how are these dudes doing?
BTW, Kobo, your points are well taken ;)
A lot is happening in Gambia. Too many interesting news headlines. I am surprised that these topics are not taken up in here. Jammeh/Wikileaks on Jollofnews, Israeli spy on Freedom, and so on and so forth. My favourite writers: Pan African Academician Dida Halake, Lt. Col. Sam Sarr, Ambassador Essa Sey, Philanthropist Michael Scales, Journalist Mathew Jallow, where are they now? I miss them all! Like Pa Nderry of Freedomnewspaper would say: What is going on?? OK, I gotta go before Kobo gets pissed again..... sorry.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Feb 2011 : 13:40:28
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"OK, I gotta go before Kobo gets pissed again..... sorry."
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 00:49:29
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Senegambia, like you, Kobo earns considerable admiration in my yard too for his resilience. Well done Kobo, hat up for you.
The view that other parties can stop Yaya Jammeh even if they are not 'UNITED' is real. We have all seen how everything turned into by several attempts to bring the big wings fly together. So I will not get near the idea of a revival.
However, each of the parties have it in their singular power to come to terms with themselves. The idea being for each to refuse playing the game with Jammeh who holds a bag full of powdered pepper ready to blow it on the face of everyone. Each person, each party, has it in whatever you call it, to say no more playing the game with a mate who knows how to powder their faces with bitter pepper dust.
May be I will seek pardon to end it here.
But just before leaving, once THEY (other parties) refuse Yaya Jammeh as play mate, then THEY (other parties) CAN choose play mates among their lot. Does this sell ? |
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