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Watchman
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kobo
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toubab1020
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 Posted - 30 Jan 2011 : 13:11:23
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| As the army seems to be becoming friends with the demonstrators and the riot police have melted away,the odds have changed and I think it likely that he will have to go,it may be that Mrs. Mubark has had some influence on wanting him to stay,due to the status of women in Egyptian society,the presidents wife of course being treated differently. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nokia Man
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jan 2011 : 01:25:25
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If the very countries that supply arms to Mubarak have turned their back on him he's already out the door. Mubarak is stalling whilst the paper shredders are in overdrive and bank transfers are being finalised. Even the army know they'll get better working conditions without him and having got back from there 2 months ago I know for a fact that security need to supplement there incomes with bribes to survive. I rented an apartment from an employee.
Who knew that Egyptian countrymen and women have flour rations set upon them yet this desert country is one of the worlds largest potato exporters? It would p*ss me off knowing that my government irrigates enough land for exports yet doesn't provide basic dietary ingredients so good luck to all hard working Egyptians. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 31 Jan 2011 : 01:55:16
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I support people of Egypt. If they are on the streets and wanted to change this regime, we should support them. Mubarak is a puppet man of USA. And USA has dilemma, do they support the masses in the name of democracy ideals, or they consider the fact that any regime change will put Israel at risk. Since US first have to look their interest, they do not want Mubarak to go. They prefer Mubarak to stay.
If Mubarek goes, here what could happen
If Muslim Brothers and other conservative forces take control, that is a grave disaster for Middle east. Egypt will have to change their stance on Pals. Instead of supporting Israel, they will start supporting Pals. They sign peace agreement with Israel, but the peace will be in question.
The world is changing now. As one can see in Turkey, regional forces are more assertive and they can say NO to only superpower USA. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 31 Jan 2011 02:18:24 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jan 2011 : 04:41:55
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Turk,
You still cannot see the sense for CHANGE in Gambia and think other societies deserve bette. Some of the views you expressed above can only be taken as narrowly sentimental and typically bias.
If Mubarak has to go because he is a puppet (of US), why must Yaya Jammeh stay with all blood stains around him?
You need to wake up, fellow. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 31 Jan 2011 : 05:55:48
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Karamba
You are so easy, simple minded person and can not understand when debate get little bid complicated. Not smart cat, are you? Let me see. Allow me to explain. Egyptians are on the street, demanding a change and facing against Mubarak, army and police. So far 100 people died. So they are determined and they have heart. They are ready to die and sacrifice. What does Karamba do? Abandoned his country and, from UK, cowardly, he asks other Gambians to resist. What is opposition leader does. He refugee in another country's embassy. Do Gambians are standing up? No. They do not. Do they demand change? No. Are they united against the regime? No. Instead, they are overwhelmingly support Jammeh. Do Egyptians overwhelmingly support Mubarak. No. It looks like, they don't.
Jammeh is not a puppet of any other country. He does not serve for another country. He is better citizen than you for Gambia. On the other hand, you abandoned your country and support Britain take action and put diplomatic pressure on your on country.
I am not biased. Gambians deserve best of everything, but nothing will be served them on the silver plate. They need to take it. Capish? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 31 Jan 2011 06:02:24 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2011 : 13:36:35
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Turk man, there is no debate. There is an issue to consider. One man rose up with other gun men to break Gambian laws by staging a coup. That man is the one you keep ranting about being chosen. Where is the choice?
You are simply a speculator about matters outside your scope of knowledge. If you think every genuine person who condemns armed bandits in Gambia is someone who abandones Gambia, you need help. Keep thinking that way Turkie. You simply have no clue what anyone is up to.
Again, not about me, Peter or Paul. The issue is that a gun man has taken whole nation hostage and that's what you call choice.
Do you have any clue about how many Gambians there are in various parts of the world and doing so much for the country?
It is now very clear that you live on the dark side of planet earth and competely blind of truth or simply in self denial.
What is your stake in seeing a brutal gun man terrorising whole nation of Gambia? |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2011 : 14:31:10
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| I have no stake. I only support Gambian people in Gambia and their decision/actions. They are the ones who will make the change. Not me, not the coward like you who already abandoned the country. If I see Gambians standing up against Jammeh for change, my heart is with them. Until, then, as they overwhelmingly support the current president, I support their support of the current regime. Currently, the current president have the support. Majority of Gambians have other priorities. If I majority of Gambians turned against the current president of Gambia, I will support the people of Gambia with my postings. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jan 2011 : 20:04:36
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Turk, you have the most twisted orientation of all humans. So in your narrow mind, you have right to SUPPORT and to express your support. Why will that differ with other people standing for what they stand for?
With all your speculative and deluded inclination, I have no reason to buy any stock of yours. Do I owe you any explanation? Of course not.
You make me happy after discoering that what you read here pains so bitter, you can't let go. There is more to come and if you are thin- hearted, sorry not my problem.
Simply put, I don't care abour your opinion and will keep expressing mine no matter how that pains you.
What is your stake Turkie, in seeing a gun man killing innocent citizens and still you call that choice? Why can't you keep cool?
Hi Turk, you can never baffle reality. Sit down. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 31 Jan 2011 : 22:10:56
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| It is not my duty to determine what level of democracy and human rights Gambians want. This is depends on the realities on the ground and 'how much' Gambians want. As a coward who abandoned the country, it is not your duty either. You can have your opinion. It is up to Gambians who are living in Gambia, paying taxes, going through all the problems. If they are ready, they can change it. Looks like they are not ready. I am not going to ask them to give their life. It is not my life. Egyptians are ready, they are on the street and ready to die for what they want. You are not ready, without any honor you are hiding like a rat. What is not honorable is that you act like a coward, not taking any risk and responsibility but you asking Gambian to stand up. You ask Gambians to stand up and if necessary give their life, while you are not. Is that fair? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2011 : 01:21:18
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What are you bothered about? Gambians don't need my views to know that a cruel armed bandit is setting fire on that peaceful land.
You seem to be in some kind of hysteria. What's up Turkie. When I consider your level of delusion and degree of drift, it stimulates laughter.
What a joy and great wonder !!! |
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