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toubab1020
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 Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 23:52:15
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I found this forum on the WWW.I am not a member of this forum that I have posted the link to but maybe bantaba members feel that they may like to comment here on bantaba on the entries in the link forum.
I do not intend to comment at all. It appears to be an American site.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread562422/pg1
Snippet of an entry:
"Wherever Africans rule nothing works out well. All we seem to do is find sophisticated excuses to justify and rationalize Africans seeming inability to get anything right. Is it time that we stopped making excuses for Africans and asked whether in fact they can run modern political economies?
...And this negative assessment of Africans is not concerning only Africans in the continent of Africa but black folks all over the world.
...Give a black man a leadership opportunity and instead of working his black ass off for his people all he thinks is about enriching his immediate family at the expense of the public. "
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 03:20:21
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Quoted Quote from Toubab1020
"...Give a black man a leadership opportunity and instead of working his black ass off for his people all he thinks is about enriching his immediate family at the expense of the public. "
If that is called corruption by some expert assessment, does it only apply in the society of "Black Man" the world over? What happens in other societies outside the Black Range?
Asia, Europe,East West, America, don't they too have people indulged in these same practice?
Wait a minute, something just crept in. A professor of some educational institution treated the subject differently. According to what this good professor settled on, it is called LOBBY POWER in some societies and CORRUPTION in other societies.
Where the thin divide begins or ends, only the viewer can tell. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 13:24:48
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Disclaimer of blogger reads; "It is a shame that I have to prequalify this thread by stating the following disclaimer but unfortunately in this PC world we live in SOMEONE is just itching to pull out the race card, so here is the disclaimer:
Neither I nor anyone in my immediate family is racist. I am half Mexican half Caucasian and have many black friends and date blacks without any problems.
I recently read an article that made me start looking further into this subject and considering the way Obama is governing us into the third world I am starting to believe that the writer may be right. ""
Tea Party activism and rejuvenating of American class & racism politics  "Obama go back to Kenya!" on the placards! |
Edited by - kobo on 20 Nov 2010 13:29:51 |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2010 : 21:44:38
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Originally posted by toubab1020
..........I do not intend to comment at all. It appears to be an American site.
lol, i'm sorry Toubab but by merely posting the link in the bantaba you have ''commented''.
one cannot visit site and paste it in the bantaba and say no comments.the article/blog must have stuck a chord
not only is the topic's title wrong but its self defeating implying that it is morally correct or illegitimate for others to govern any free people, as an option.
on the particular text, it is merely an oversimplification of post-colonial Africa by putting the blame squarely on Africans. take for example the influence of the cold war on africa. no other continent was a major play ground like Africa. ofcourse no other continent has so much to fight for.
the chaos in the Congo today 50yrs on, can be directly link to Lumumba's death. 50yrs on we now know who has blood in their hands.
secondly mismanagment by africans should be been used to paint an entire race. there are several countries in the caribean that a run/managed extremely well.
but ofcourse we will talk it that you distance youself from a TOPIC you have started on the bantaba  |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Nov 2010 : 22:36:15
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An excellent posting njucks and understandable,I do not wish to comment,because I am not a Gambian, I am not an African and I am not an American,I bring to the notice of bantaba members that there are differing views on all subjects,and in this case the blog appears to be created by a man of African decent,all be it that it is implied an American,therefore any comment (other than posting this link to the blog )is somewhat difficult for me as it involves loyalties to groups and nations of which I have little experience in relation to their thought processes,those are my only reasons for not commenting.
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Originally posted by njucks
I do not intend to comment at all. It appears to be an American site.
lol, i'm sorry Toubab but by merely posting the link in the bantaba you have ''commented''.
one cannot visit site and paste it in the bantaba and say no comments. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 23 Nov 2010 : 18:14:09
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Toubab
One of the problem of 'failure' as you can see here; other than njucks, people do not have brave enough even provide comments about the failure (Even njucks are blaming the outside factors). As usual, Karamba relates failure to Jammeh, as usual, unfairly and unintelligently.
Here is what I think.
I am not going to support the idea linking the 'failure' to a race. There are 'failed' states all over in the world. In my opinion, here are the reasons for 'failure' particularly in Africa, sub-Saharan Africa to be exact.
First reason, is taking responsibility. Many africans i.e. Karamba, perfect example for failing to see reasons for failure in themselves as people but they find a scape-goat. The leaders of African leaders are not coming from Mars. It is Karamba's sister, brothers, uncles, aunts, mothers, fathers, children, it is Africans. So stop blaming. As Mansa on other post the use 'we' instead of 'he' when talking about the failure, that is a wise thing. Gambians need more people like mansa and less people like Karamba if they want to focus on failure.
It is true, as njucks mentioned, outside factors like colonization is important. Just look at the former colonized states particularly Africa, India, south-asian states, middle-eastern countries, central-asian states, eastern european states, Latin american states, corruption, of failure in governing has a lot to do with colonization. It takes time to establish a 'state/nationhood' as these countries just became independent only less than a century. But, his is past. Yes it is a valid reason for failure, but now one has to move on. Let us look forward to future.
Social, cultural, demograpahic, economic reasons. In my opinion, when Europeans established the good government system, which is created based on their social, cultural, economic realities, when other nations i.e. African could not adopt the system because it is just does not fit them. Africa, there are too much divisions. There are still tribes with strong language, culture, tradition differences dating years back is causing the problem of unity/integration which is very important for the success in government system. Look at Gambia, we have mandinkas, wolofs, jolas, fulas, akus, serers who else?
Creating a good system does requires technology, higher literacy level, and wealth and that is lacking in most African countries.
Africa needs to develop a system and standards that fits themselves. Such system may help to avoid failure.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 20:50:07
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quote:
Originally posted by Karamba
Quoted Quote from Toubab1020
"...Give a black man a leadership opportunity and instead of working his black ass off for his people all he thinks is about enriching his immediate family at the expense of the public. "
If that is called corruption by some expert assessment, does it only apply in the society of "Black Man" the world over? What happens in other societies outside the Black Range?
Asia, Europe,East West, America, don't they too have people indulged in these same practice?
Wait a minute, something just crept in. A professor of some educational institution treated the subject differently. According to what this good professor settled on, it is called LOBBY POWER in some societies and CORRUPTION in other societies.
Where the thin divide begins or ends, only the viewer can tell.
Turk, for sake of FAIR COMMENT here is exactly what Karamba wrote on the subject at hand. What has that to do with you remarks on the same subject? Where is the KARAMBA FACTOR you setting alarm over?
The issue at hand is that HUMANS are what they are, full of self and full of flaws. Where in the human world will you talk about without these vices ?
That is Karamba's take on the subject. What's yours?
No head against head here. Wanting more of Njucks and less of Karamba types does not sell well. Njucks and Karamba are part of the BIG FAMILY of concerned Gambians and that's enough to keep together and not needing to tear apart. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 23:08:08
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Karamba
good to hear from you. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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