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GAMBIA-L Digest 67
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
2) RE: POLYGAMY
by "Sirra Ndow" <sirra@hotmail.com>
3) Re: POLYGAMY
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
4) Re: New member
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
5) Air Afrique
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
6) RE: POLYGAMY
by Gunjur@aol.com
7) HIGH COMMISSIONER SUMMONS ME
by "ebrima drameh" <njogou@hotmail.com>
8) RE: POLYGAMY
by Gunjur@aol.com
9) Re: Air Afrique
by Yaya Jallow <yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
10) Re: Air Afrique
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
11) Deja Vu: Apathy or Indifference
by "M. Darboe" <mdarboe@fred.net>
12) Re: Polygamy
by Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
13) Re: Air Afrique
by Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
14) Fwd: Request for information
by Andy Lyons <alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu>
15) Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or Indifference
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
16) [Fwd: shell in nigeria]
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
17) Fwd: Director acts on criticism of U.N. Habitat Centre
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
18) Re: [Fwd: shell in nigeria]
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
19) Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or Indifference
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
20) Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or Indifference
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
21) Report Gambia College for Musa Sowe
by Olafiaklinikken Olafia <olafia@online.no>
22) RE: Just a Thought (on ALD)
by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
23) Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or Indifference
by Gunjur@aol.com
24) Mobutu resigns?
by Gunjur@aol.com
25) Fwd: Unhealthy Lifestyles Thereaten Human Health
by mmjeng@image.dk
26) Re: Just a Thought
by ASJanneh@aol.com
27) Re: Air Afrique
by sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
28) Re: Just a Thought
by Gunjur@aol.com
29) Techical problems
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
30) List Problems
by Abdourahman Touray <abdou@cs.columbia.edu>
31) Test
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
32) RE: Test
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
33) Fwd: Zaireans panic after Mobutu's palace is looted
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
34) Re: Test
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
35) Re: just a thought (fwd)
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
36) No subject was specified.
by bdukuray@login.eunet.no
37) Gambian Delegation In Ghana
by mmjeng@image.dk
38) Re: Gambian Delegation In Ghana
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
39) Re: Test
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
40) Re: Test
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
41) Re: Test
by "M. Njie" <mn015@students.stir.ac.uk>
42) Re: Test
by Gunjur@aol.com
43) Re: Fwd: Zaireans panic after Mobutu's palace is looted
by Gunjur@aol.com
44) INTRODUCING MYSELF TO THIS FORUM.
by "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
45) Re: just a thought (fwd)
by Gunjur@aol.com
46) JObs Africa (fwd)
by ndeye marie njie <njie.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ndeye.marie.njie@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu
47) More Job opportunities in Africa (fwd)
by ndeye marie njie <njie.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ndeye.marie.njie@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu
48) Re: Test
by Debbie Proctor <proctord@u.washington.edu>
49) Re: Test
by "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.telemax.no>
50) (Fwd) New Book on Niumi History
by Ousman Gajigo <gajigoo@wabash.edu>
51) Re: Air Afrique (fwd)
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
52) MY DEAR OMAR... WHAT A SMALL WORLD THIS IS INDEED.!!!
by "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
53) Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or indifference?
by Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
54) Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or indifference?
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
55) ALD
by LatJor Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
56) Re: ALD
by "D. Singhateh" <dawdas@u.washington.edu>
57) Re: ALD
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
58) Zairian
by bdukuray@login.eunet.no
59) Re: Test
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
60) African AIDS Guinea pigs? (fwd)
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
61) ZAIRE
by bdukuray@login.eunet.no
62) Zaire
by bdukuray@login.eunet.no
63) Re: African AIDS Guinea pigs? (fwd)
by Gunjur@aol.com
64) CELEBRATING THE ISLAMIC NEW YEAR 1418 AH. (fwd)
by Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
65) The Observer Online: Additional Demo Issues
by Francis Njie <c3p0@xsite.net>
66) Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or indifference?
by "ALPHA ROBINSON" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
67) Tailor made constitution.
by Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
68) Re: Test -Reply
by SIGGA JAGNE <SJ044947@gwmail.kysu.edu>
69) NEW MEMBER-MISS SIGGA JAGNE
by SIGGA JAGNE <SJ044947@gwmail.kysu.edu>
70) Re: Test -Reply
by "NJIE OMAR E" <964NJIE@alpha.nlu.edu>
71) re: The Observer Online: Additional Demo Issues
by "Edrissa Jarju" <edjarju@usaid.gov>
72) New Member.
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
73) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
74) New member
by sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
75) Re: Tailor made constitution
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
76) Re: CELEBRATING THE ISLAMIC NEW YEAR 1418 AH. (fwd)
by "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
77) GREETINGS FROM THE GAMBIA (fwd)
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
78) Re: Tailor made constitution.
by "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
79) Re: Tailor made constitution
by Gunjur@aol.com
80) Re: Test -Reply
by Gunjur@aol.com
81) test
by "Bahary Dukuray" <bdukuray@login.eunet.no>
82) Help
by bdukuray@login.eunet.no
83) To Understand Zaire, Follow the Money!!
by madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
84) U.S. asks Nigeria to detain Gaddafi.
by madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
85) LEONARD LARSEN: Kissing Mobutu goodbye (fwd)
by Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
86) Request for recipes
by oleary@arminco.com
87) re: Request for recipes
by "Edrissa Jarju" <edjarju@usaid.gov>
88) re: Request for recipes
by oleary@arminco.com
89) Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or indifference?
by "ebrima drameh" <njogou@hotmail.com>
90) Re: Tailor made constitution
by "ebrima drameh" <njogou@hotmail.com>
91) Test
by Hamedou Drammeh <h.e.drammeh@habo.mail.telia.com>
92) The Art Of War.
by Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
93) In search of a friend
by "Adama S. Njie" <njie@online.no>
94) FWD: Introduction from Hamedou Drammeh
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
95) Re: CELEBRATING THE ISLAMIC NEW YEAR 1418 AH. (fwd)
by Gunjur@aol.com
96) RE: Request for recipes
by MAKE THAT VISION A REALITY <ABARROW@rr5.rr.intel.com>
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 12:42:59 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970504114424.AAE33600@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Hamidou Drammeh has been added to the list. Welcome to the Gambia-l
Hamidou, we look forward to your contributions. Please send an
introduction of yourself to gambia-l@u.washington.edu
My regards to all the others there in Stockholm.
Bass's e-mail is: KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA
Regards
Momodou Camara
*******************************************************
http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
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Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 05:37:43 PDT
From: "Sirra Ndow" <sirra@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: POLYGAMY
Message-ID: <199705041237.FAA20832@f16.hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
>> Ancha,
>> l think this is where a lot of people are missing the point of the dire=
>=3D
>ctive
>> in the Qu'ran. Clearly, one has to be in a position to afford having mo=
>=3D
>re
>> than one wife and many children. The problem we have here is that those=
>=3D
> who
>> cannot afford this are engaging in it just to satisfy their own lust. T=
>=3D
>he
>> Qu'ran is never out-dated , Allah's wisdom is timeless, it is man's
>> understanding of it that is wanting.
>>=3D20
>> Jabou
>
>JABBOU!!
> IN A GAMBIA WHERE WOMEN HAVE BEEN ENPOWERED ENOUGH TO HAVE THE
>TOOLS AND SKILLS TO TAKE CARE OF AND DEPEND ON THEMSELVES - IN SUCH A
>GAMBIA,IT WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT THAT A MAN MUST BE MONEYED BEFORE
>THREE WOMEN COULD HAVE HIM AS THEIR PARTNER.IT SOUNDS DISTURBINGLY
>CAPITALISTIC TO ME THE SUGGESTION THAT ONLY MEN WITH MONEY SHOULD BE
>ALLOWED TO HAVE MULTIPLE FEMALE PARTNERS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.SOME
>WELL-TO-DO GAMBIAN MEN ARE VERY INTELLIGENT AND STILL OTHERS HAVE VERY
>GOOD QUALITIES (CHARACTER,INTEGRITY,CONSCIENCE AND EVEN PHYSICAL HEALTH
>AND ATTRATIVENESS), QUALITIES TOTALLY UNRELATED TO MONEY AND YET
>EQUALLY IMPORTANT.SO,REDUCING THE PASS MARK TO ONLY MONEY IS NOT AT ALL
>A FARSIGHTED SOLUTION,SAYING NOTHING OF ITS INJUSTICE TO THE MAJORITY
>OF MEN AND WOMEN.
>
> REGARDS BASSSS!!!
I think our friend Bass is jumping to conclusions here. Being able to
"afford" multiple wives does not necessary mean financially. One also
has to have the time, emotional capacity etc. as well as the "good
qualities" mentioned above in my opinion.
Sirra Ndow
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Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 17:48:24 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: POLYGAMY
Message-ID: <318B6E38.763D@QATAR.NET.QA>
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Sirra Ndow wrote:
>
> >> Ancha,
> >> l think this is where a lot of people are missing the point of the dire=
> >=3D
> >ctive
> >> in the Qu'ran. Clearly, one has to be in a position to afford having mo=
> >=3D
> >re
> >> than one wife and many children. The problem we have here is that those=
> >=3D
> > who
> >> cannot afford this are engaging in it just to satisfy their own lust. T=
> >=3D
> >he
> >> Qu'ran is never out-dated , Allah's wisdom is timeless, it is man's
> >> understanding of it that is wanting.
> >>=3D20
> >> Jabou
> >
> >JABBOU!!
> > IN A GAMBIA WHERE WOMEN HAVE BEEN ENPOWERED ENOUGH TO HAVE THE
> >TOOLS AND SKILLS TO TAKE CARE OF AND DEPEND ON THEMSELVES - IN SUCH A
> >GAMBIA,IT WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT THAT A MAN MUST BE MONEYED BEFORE
> >THREE WOMEN COULD HAVE HIM AS THEIR PARTNER.IT SOUNDS DISTURBINGLY
> >CAPITALISTIC TO ME THE SUGGESTION THAT ONLY MEN WITH MONEY SHOULD BE
> >ALLOWED TO HAVE MULTIPLE FEMALE PARTNERS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.SOME
> >WELL-TO-DO GAMBIAN MEN ARE VERY INTELLIGENT AND STILL OTHERS HAVE VERY
> >GOOD QUALITIES (CHARACTER,INTEGRITY,CONSCIENCE AND EVEN PHYSICAL HEALTH
> >AND ATTRATIVENESS), QUALITIES TOTALLY UNRELATED TO MONEY AND YET
> >EQUALLY IMPORTANT.SO,REDUCING THE PASS MARK TO ONLY MONEY IS NOT AT ALL
> >A FARSIGHTED SOLUTION,SAYING NOTHING OF ITS INJUSTICE TO THE MAJORITY
> >OF MEN AND WOMEN.
> >
> > REGARDS BASSSS!!!
>
> I think our friend Bass is jumping to conclusions here. Being able to
> "afford" multiple wives does not necessary mean financially. One also
> has to have the time, emotional capacity etc. as well as the "good
> qualities" mentioned above in my opinion.
>
> Sirra Ndow
> ========================================================================
> sirra@hotmail.com
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SIRRA!!
IF BOTH YOU AND JABBOU DON'T THINK OF MONEY WHEN THE WORD Afford IS
MENTIONED,THEN I CAN'T HAVE ANY QUARRELS WITH YOU ON THIS POINT.I JUST
DON'T WANT US TO PUT MUCH BURDEN ON MEN SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE NORMALLY
SEEN AS THE ONES ENJOYING MOST IN A POLYGAMOUS RELATIONSHIP.I PERSONALLY
DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS CORRECT ONE BIT.BUT ANYWAY,THE PEOPLE I HAD IN
MIND WERE THE GAMBIAN WOMEN IN IN THE RURAL AREAS:THE REASON WHY
POLYGAMY IS WORKING ALMOST IN A CLOCKWORK FASHION IN THAT PART OF THE
GAMBIA IS THAT RURAL WOMEN DON'T REALLY DEPEND ON THEIR MEN AND DON'T
REALLY NEED THEM TO BE AROUND THEM ALL THE TIME.IN SUCH LIBERATING
ATMOSPHERE,BOTH GENDERS COULD PLAY THEIR BIOLOGICAL ROLES WITHOUT THE
ONE SOFFOCATING THE OTHER-THE THINGS THAT WOMEN LIKE AND ENJOY ARE NOT
ALWAYS THE SAME AS THE ONES MEN LIKE AND ENJOY- THAT OFCOURSE CANNOT BE
SAID OF THE CONFUSED STATE OF AFFAIRS IN OUR URBAN AREAS!
REGARDS BASSSS!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 16:53:09 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: New member
Message-ID: <318B6145.7B76@QATAR.NET.QA>
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Camara, Momodou wrote:
>
> Gambia-l,
> Hamidou Drammeh has been added to the list. Welcome to the Gambia-l
> Hamidou, we look forward to your contributions. Please send an
> introduction of yourself to gambia-l@u.washington.edu
>
> My regards to all the others there in Stockholm.
> Bass's e-mail is: KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA
>
> Regards
> Momodou Camara
>
> *******************************************************
> http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
>
> **"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
> possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
MR.DRAMMEH!!
ITS ABOUT TIME TO HAVE ALL OF YOU SMART GAMBIANS IN STOCKHOLM ALSO
JOIN THE FOLD.SO,OUR WARMEST WELCOME TO YOU MR. DRAMMEH.PLEASE,PERSUADE
THE REST,ESPECIALLY,MY SCIENTIST,MR.SIDIBEH.I HAVE NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER
IN MY MIND THAT THIS IS THE FINEST MEDIUM ANY OF YOU COULD PARTICIPATE
IN.
SO,ONCE AGAIN, A GREAT W-E-L-C-O-M-E ! TO YOU.
REGARDS BASSSSS!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 13:11:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Air Afrique
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970504083133.25110A-100000@saul3.u.washington.edu>
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Gambia-l,
I received a very long letter from a female cousin in New York, detailing
some of the ordeals she underwent during the last Christmas vacation while
travelling to The Gambia with Air Afrique airlines. She asked me to post
it in The Internet. While it was too long, I decided to give you a summary
of the events that unfolded and then ask some few questions after it.
Along with her 22 month old son, she purchased 2 round trip airline
tickets on Air Afrique from New York to Banjul and also paid for all the
excess baggage charges. At Dakar without any advanced warnings, they
stayed in the airport for three and half hours before getting a flight to
Banjul. At Banjul, she discovered four of her luggages were left behind
and one was opened and damaged. She followed the appropriate claims
procedures with assistance from Gambia Airways personnel. She was informed
that most luggages were left behind in New York due to the fact that the
capacity for all luggages checked in by Air Afrique personnel was more
than the allocated spaces available in The Air Afrique air craft.
According to her, this revealed mismanagement due to corruption and greed.
They requested cash for services that could not be delivered regardless of
the outcome.
Unfortunately for her, basic necessities for use during her
vacation were in the luggages left behind. At The Banjul Travel Office,
she was informed of the unavailability for any inconvenient allowances as
Air Afrique did not open an office with a representative in Banjul at the
time. Her luggages finally arrived on New Year's eve.
By departure time in January, Air Afrique had opened an office in
Banjul at Hagan Street. She was told by the manager Mr Njogu Secka that
her name was on the list with a cancelled code. Acccording to her, Air
Afrique has the bad habit of reselling already sold seats to new
customers. On Sunday, January 12th, she checked in and paid all the excess
fees for her flight back to New York. Air Afrique did not have the decency
to allow passengers with children the priviledge of boarding the aircraft
first. The departure was scheduled for 12pm but never left until later as
the original Air Afrique jet never showed up and no explanation and
apologies were offered.
At Dakar, things got worse when they were issued no boarding
passes for the continued flight to New York. They were told that the
flight was completely full with no more seats available. By this time, she
was among 17 other passengers ( mostly Gambians ) which included four
teenagers and two infants. This triggered endless screams and yelling with
no managers to attend to their needs. Food, water, resting place were not
offered until 7pm that evening. They were taken to Hotel Ngor which was
close to the airport. They were then routed at 1am, dropped off at the
airport and stayed there till 6am before boarding another Air Afrique
flight to Paris with the promise that that they will be connected to
another Air Afrique flight to New York. They missed the connecting flight
at Paris. Screaming and yelling started again until French Police came and
restrain the situation. They were taken to a Holiday Inn to spend another
night, off course with no inconvenient allowances. Luckily, Air France was
able to connect them to another TWA ( Trans World Airlines ) to New York
the next day, Tuesday January 14th. Upon arrival at New York, they found
out that their luggages did not arrive and to add insult to injury, there
was
no Air Afrique representative for an explanation. The Air France manager
told them of their disgust the whole week with Air Afrique as no
communication was coming from them for explanation to angry Air Afrique
passengers with lost luggages. As of the date, this letter was written to
me, no phone calls or indications were given by Air Afrique as to when
they will get access to their luggages.
A signed letter of complaint by all affected passengers were sent
to U.S. Senator John MCain, subcomittee chairman on aviation, U.S.
Representative Bud Shuster, chairman of Transportation committee and
various Air Afrique managers in Paris, Dakar and Banjul.
In light of the above story, here are some few questions that I am posing
to group :
1. Should Air Afrique be allowed to operate under such circumstances when
they are unable to deliver quality services which their passengers have
paid for ?
2. Have you ever experienced similar encounters with Air Afrique or any
other air lines ?
3. Should we be bound to patronize Air Afrique just because it is an
African owned air line or should we spend our money on whoever can give us
the best services regardless of the national origins of its ownership ?
4. After this experience, what else can be done to prevent Air Afrique
of future reoccurences with its passengers ?
I will be looking forward for a discussion on this issue since all
of us have and will be travelling with Air lines.
Thanks
Tony
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University of Washington
Box 353200
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 16:12:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: POLYGAMY
Message-ID: <970504161245_153884395@emout07.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 5/3/97 1:07:30 PM, you wrote:
<<
Bass wrote:
JABBOU!!
IN A GAMBIA WHERE WOMEN HAVE BEEN ENPOWERED ENOUGH TO HAVE THE
TOOLS AND SKILLS TO TAKE CARE OF AND DEPEND ON THEMSELVES - IN SUCH A
GAMBIA,IT WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT THAT A MAN MUST BE MONEYED BEFORE
THREE WOMEN COULD HAVE HIM AS THEIR PARTNER.IT SOUNDS DISTURBINGLY
CAPITALISTIC TO ME THE SUGGESTION THAT ONLY MEN WITH MONEY SHOULD BE
ALLOWED TO HAVE MULTIPLE FEMALE PARTNERS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.SOME
WELL-TO-DO GAMBIAN MEN ARE VERY INTELLIGENT AND STILL OTHERS HAVE VERY
GOOD QUALITIES (CHARACTER,INTEGRITY,CONSCIENCE AND EVEN PHYSICAL HEALTH
AND ATTRATIVENESS), QUALITIES TOTALLY UNRELATED TO MONEY AND YET
EQUALLY IMPORTANT.SO,REDUCING THE PASS MARK TO ONLY MONEY IS NOT AT ALL
A FARSIGHTED SOLUTION,SAYING NOTHING OF ITS INJUSTICE TO THE MAJORITY
OF MEN AND WOMEN.
REGARDS BASSSS
BASS,
Unfortunately, we do not have a Gambia yet where all the women are self
sufficient. Some of them may be equipped to be so, but a great majority
still lack the education, decent jobs or just plain opportunity to nurture an
entrepreneurial spirit that will enable them to be self sufficient.A large
number still look to their men as the sole source of support for them and
their children. I agree wholeheartedly that there are many a Gambian brother
who are not wealthy, but have all the makings of fine husbands indeed, which
is more important in the long run. But what about the here and now? What
about these women who have to depend on a husband now,and what about the many
men now, who have the many wives and children they cannot afford to have? If
they had weighed the facts before marrying all those wives, they could
clearly see that they will only be causing hardships to the women and
children. Those contemplating this move can and should still consider these
factors and frankly not too many people can afford this.On the other hand,
the women should also consider these factors before agreeing to marry a man
with many wives but, we know that circumstances force many of them to go
ahead anyway.
Jabou
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SZDD^d'3Af"
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From: "ebrima drameh" <njogou@hotmail.com>
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HELLO LIST MEMBERS,
I HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF MAILS REQUESTING TO KNOW MORE
ABOUT THE REASON WHY I WAS SUMMONED BY THE THEN SENEGALESE HIGH COMMISSIONER TO
THE GAMBIA, MOCTARR KEBBEH FOLLOWING AN ARTICLE I WROTE ON THE FIGHT FOR
INDEPENDENCE IN CASSAMANCE.
IT WOULD BE MORE CONVENIENT FOR ME TO SIMPLY SEND IT TO THE LIST RATHER THAN
SENDING IT TO EACH INDIVIDUAL ADDRESS.I HAVE MANAGED TO PIECE TOGETHER DIFFERENT
PICTURES RANGING FROM MY TRIP TO CASSAMANCE TO A PERSONAL OPINION OF WHAT I
THINK IS THE REALITY AND THE WAY FORWARD TO FINDING A PEACEFUL SOLUTION TO THE
CRISIS.
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IN 1995 FOLLOWING RENEWED ATTACKS BY REBELS IN CASSAMANCE, I WAS ASSIGNED TO
ASSESS THE SITUATION BY THE VOICE OF AMERICA (I WAS THEIR CORRESPONDENT IN THE
GAMBIA AT THE TIME).THIS WAS AT A TIME WHEN THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE INTEREST AND
AN OVERWHELMING CONCERN FROM BOTH THE SENEGALESE AND GAMBIAN GOVERNMENTS.RUMOURS
WERE RIFE THAT YAHYA JAMMEH THE NEW GAMBIAN HEAD OF STATE WAS A SYMPATHISER OF
THE MFDC REBELS IN CASSAMANCE;THAT HE HAD EVEN RECRUITED SOME OF THE REBELS AS
HIS OWN GUARDS AT STATE HOUSE IN BANJUL.THERE WERE ALSO UNCONFIRMED REPORTS OF A
RISING TENSION BETWEEN THE TWO GOVERNMENTS.THERE WAS TALK OF UNFOUNDED
POSSIBILITIES OF A SENEGALESE INVASION OF THE GAMBIA.A SOURCE WAS QUOTED OFF THE
RECORD GOING TO THE EXTENT OF SAYING THAT SENEGAL HAD ALREADY POSITIONED
ARMOURED VEHICLES ALONG THE BORDER WITH THE GAMBIA AND THAT FRANCE SUPPORTED THE
IDEA.
AT THE TIME OF MY VISIT TO CASSAMANCE THE REBEL LEADER, FATHER DIAMACOUNE
SENGHOR WAS UNDER HOUSE ARREST IN A MAXIMUM- SECUIRITY MANSION IN ZIGUINCHOR.MY
MISSION TO THE REGION WAS AMONG OTHER THINGS TO ASSESS THE DAMAGE THE WAR HAD
CAUSED,FIND OUT IF THERE WERE ANY POSSIBILITIES OF A SPILL-OVER TO THE GAMBIA
AND WHO WAS GAINING THE UPPER HAND, SENEGALESE GOVERNMENT FORCES OR THE MFDC
REBELS.ALSO INCLUDED IN MY PACK WAS TO SEE IF CASSAMANCE IS CAPABLE OF STANDING
ON ITS OWN IN THE EVENT IT BECAME INDEPENDENT.I CAME UP WITH A VERY SIMPLE
ANSWER, A BIG NO.CASSAMANCE CAN ONLY BOAST OF A MIGHTY LABOUR FORCE IN THE FORM
OF ILLETERATE ABLE BODIED MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE ONLY CAPABLE OF TAKING UP LOW
PAID JOBS LIKE DOMESTIC SERVANTS IN THE CITIES LIKE DAKAR AND BANJUL.
UPON MY ARRIVAL AT ZIGUINCHOR,THE MAIN TOWN IN THE REGION, I WAS LED TO THE
TOWN'S MAIN MARKET.THE REBEL WAR HAD LED TO NUMBER OF DASTARDLY EVENTS OF ACTUAL
ARSON.TWO DAYS BEFORE MY VISIT, THE MARKET HAD BEEN BURNT DOWN TO ASHES.BOTH
SIDES BLAMED EACH OTHER FOR THE ATTACK WHICH LEFT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE STARVING
AND HAVING TO START FROM SQUARE ONE SINCE THAT SEEMED WAS THEIR ONLY SOURCE OF
LIVING.BY INTERVIEWING SOME OF THE LOCALS IT WAS CLEAR THAT THERE WERE
DIFFERENCES EVEN WITHIN THE PEOPLE OF CASSAMANCE.I ASKED IF I COULD SEE THE
REBEL LEADER WITH THE THOUGHT OF GETTING HIS OWN VERSION OF EVENTS."DIAMACOUNE"
WHISPERED THE TAXI DRIVER,"IMPOSSIBLE" SHOUTED LAMIN,MY LOCAL GUIDE.I WAS
DETERMINED TO SEE THE MAN SO I TOLD THE DRIVER TO SIMPLY TAKE ME TO THE
PREMISES.HE FINALLY AGREED BUT TOOK ME A FEW HUNDRED YARDS AWAY FROM THE HOUSE
AND POINTED TO THE MANSION.I WALKED TOWARDS THE GATES AND SPOKE TO ONE OF THE
GUARDS AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE I IDENTIFIED MYSELF AS A JOURNALIST FROM THE GAMBIA
WORKING FOR THE VOICE OF AMERICA.I COULD TELL THAT HE WAS HAPPY TO SEE SOMEONE
FROM THE GAMBIA AS WOULD ALL SENEGALESE BROTHERS.HOWEVER HE DIRECTED ME TO ONE
OF HIS SENIOR OFFICERS SITTING BEHIND A TABLE IN A SMALL OFFICE.
ONCE AGAIN I WENT THROUGH THE SAME INTRODUCTORY PROCEDURES.HE WAS QUITE HOSTILE
AND TOLD ME THAT I NEEDED CLEARANCE FROM DAKAR.AT THAT POINT I TOOK OUT MY VOICE
OF AMERICA PRESS CARD.AT THE BACK OF THE CARD WAS A CLAUSE WRITTEN IN BOTH
FRENCH AND ENGLISH.IT STATED THAT BEARER IS A JOURNALIST WORKING FOR THE VOICE
OF AMERICA AND PLEADED WITH WHOEVER WAS READING IT TO ASSIST IN GIVING ME ACCESS
TO INFORMATION IN LINE WITH SOME UNITED STATES FREEDOM OF INFORMATION BILL.THE
CARD DID HELP BECAUSE THERE WAS NO WAY THAT DAKAR WOULD HAVE GIVEN ME
CLEARANCE.THAT WAS NOT THE END OF IT,ANOTHER MAN WAS CALLED IN. HE WAS
INTRODUCED AS THE REBEL LEADER'S PROTOCOL OFFICER.I TOLD HIM THAT I WANTED AN
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH DIAMACOUNE,I HAD TO WAIT A WHILE AS HE CONSULTED THE
MAN HIMSELF. I WAS GIVEN AN APPOINTMENT THE FOLLOWING DAY.
ON THE SCHEDULED TIME OF THE APPOINTMENT I WAS LED INTO WHAT LOOKED LIKE A
CONFERENCE ROOM.SEATED ON AN ARM-CHAIR WAS DIAMACOUNE.THER WERE ALSO FIVE OTHER
MEN WHO WERE INTRODUCED AS KEY MEMBERS OF HIS SHADOW CABINET.I BEGAN THE
INTERVIEW BY ASKING HIM IF HIS FORCES WERE BEHIND THE ATTACK ON THE MARKET.HE
REPLIED IN THE NEGATIVE EXPLAINING THAT HIS FORCES WILL NOT ENGAGE IN SUCH AN
ATTACK ESPECIALLY IN WHAT HE CALLED "MY OWN TERRITORY".HE BLAMED THE FIRE ON AN
ELECTRIC FAULT WHICH EVENTUALLY CAUGHT FIRE.WHEN ASKED ON THE RECENT ATTACKS ON
NEARBY VILLAGES HE BLAMED THE SENEGALESE GOV'T FORCES ADDING THAT "ABDOU DIOUF
THINKS THAT SENEGAL BELONGS TO HIM". HE CATEGORICALLY DENIED ANY LINKS WITH
YAHYA JAMMEH.HE SAID IT WAS JUST COINCIDENTAL THAT HE BELONGS TO THE JOLA ETHNIC
GROUP WHICH IS THE MAIN TRIBE IN THE REGION.HE DISPELLED RUMOURS THAT JAMMEH WAS
THEIR SYMPATHISER AND THAT SOME OF HIS TROOPS WERE IN BANJUL.
ON THE INDEPENDENCE OF CASSAMANCE,HE RAKED INTO A HUGE STACK OF DOCUMENTS PLACED
ON THE TABLE AND CAME OUT WITH WHAT LOOKED LIKE A TATTERED SHEET OF PAPER. HE
HANDED IT OVER TO ME AND SAID THAT IT WAS THE LEASE AGREEMENT SIGNED DECADES AGO
BY BOTH THE FRENCH AND THE PORTUGUESE.HE ELLABORATED TO SAY THAT THE REGION OF
CASSAMANCE WAS LEASED TO THE FRENCH AFTER THE WAR AND FRANCE NEVER RETURNED IT
AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THE LEASE.HE BOASTED OF HAVING SUBSTANTIAL DOCUMENTARY
PROVE TO BACK HIS WORDS.AT THIS POINT IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THE SEVENTY+ YEAR
OLD MAN WAS VERY EXHAUSTED AFTER ALMOST TWO HOURS OF TALKING.HE ASKED ONE OF HIS
MINISTERS TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
HE BEGAN BY EXPLAINING WHAT HE CALLED "A PHYISICAL PROVE" THAT CASSAMANCE IS A
COUNTRY OF ITS OWN.HE SAID THAT AFTER THE WAR FRANCE ERECTED AN OBELISK IN ALL
THE COUNTRIES THAT IT COLONISED TO HONOUR THE DEAD.HE EXPLAINED THAT THERE IS
ONE IN DAKAR,GUINEA,MALI,IVORY COAST,CAMEROUN ETC.HE THEN ASKED "HOW COME THERE
IS ONE HERE IN ZIGUINCHOR"? I WAS HANDED WITH A NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS IN THEIR
QUEST TO CONVINCE ME THAT CASSAMANCE IS AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY.
I WAS WEARING OUT AND HAD TO BE IN BANJUL BEFORE DARK. AS I WAS LEAVING THE
PREMISES THE GUARD AT THE GATE TOLD ME THAT HE REGRETTED WHY HE ALLOWED ME IN.
HE SAID THAT HE WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN HIS ACTIONS TO HIS SUPERIOR OFFICERS IN
DAKAR.I ASSURED HIM THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE TROUBLE BECAUSE I WOULD NOT PUBLISH
MY STORY IN SENEGAL.
FROM CASSAMANCE I CALLED THE DAILY OBSERVER TO ASK THE EDITOR TO DELAY GOING TO
PRESS. (AT THE TIME I WAS ALSO REPORTING FOR THE DAILY OBSERVER ON FREELANCE
BASIS)MY STORY WAS GIVEN A FRONT PAGE THE FOLLOWING DAY.IT CARRIED IN THE
ARTICLE ALL THE SO-CALLED PROVES EXPLAINED TO ME BY THE REBELS. THE SENEGALESE
HIGH COMMISSINER READ THE ARTICLE AND WAS SUPRISED AT HOW I GAINED ACCESS TO THE
PREMISES.HE FELT THAT MY ARTICLE WAS BIAS ON THE SIDE OF THE REBELS.HE CALLED
THE DAILY OBSERVER AND WAS ALLEGEDLY RUDE TO THE EDITOR AND ASKED TO SEE ME AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE.I GOT THE MESSAGE THROUGH THE OBSERVER AND REPORTED TO HIS
OFFICE. THE SENEGALESE GUARDS AT THE HIGH COMMISSION WERE HOSTILE FROM THE
MOMENT THEY KNEW WHO I WAS.I WAS TAKEN TO MR KEBBEH'S OFFICE.HE ADDRESSED ME AS
AN IRRESPONSIBLE JOURNALIST WHO WAS BEING USED BY THE WESTERN WORLD AND THE
AMERICANS.HE WARNED THAT I WAS THREADING ON VERY DELICATE SECUIRITY MATTERS AND
THAT I HAD TO WATCH OUT.AFTER A LONG NARRATION OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF MY
ARTICLE, I WAS GIVEN A CHANCE TO EXPLAIN MYSELF.I EXPLAINED TO THE DIPLOMAT THAT
I TRIED TO GET THE SENEGALESE GOVERNMENT'S REACTION THROUGH THE MAYOR OF
ZIGUINCHOR BUT HE SAID THAT HE WAS ENJOYING HIS WEEKEND WITH HIS FAMILY AND WAS
THEREFORE NOT READY TO TALK.
I WAS GIVEN A FINAL STERN WARNING.MR KEBBEH APPOLOGISED FOR HIS RUDE APPROACH
AND WANTED AN ASSURANCE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE END OF THE MATTER.NO THAT WAS NOT
IT. FEW DAYS LATER,THE DAILY OBSERVER RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE SENEGALESE HIGH
SCHOOL IN THE GAMBIA WITH SIMILAR REMARKS AS THOSE OF THE HIGH COMMISSIONER.THE
LETTER WAS PUBLISHED AS A REJOINDER TO MY ARTICLE IN TANDEM WITH THE ETHICS OF
JOURNALISM.
SINCE THEN I HAVE KEENLY BEEN FOLLOWING EVENTS IN CASSAMANCE. MR KEBBEH HAS BEEN
RECALLED TO SENEGAL DUE TO ILL HEALTH.THE WAR IS STILL ON. I FEEL THAT THE WAY
TO PEACE IS NOT THROUGH VIOLENCE, BUT RATHER THROUGH A PEACEFUL NEGOTIATION AS
MODOU CAMARA RIGHTLY SUGGESTED.
ON THE GAMBIA'S PART, IT CANNOT STAND AND BE A MERE OBSERVER NOR CAN IT TAKE
SIDES.IT SHOULD TAKE A FIRM STAND AS A NEGOTIATOR.IF THIS WAR IS LEFT TO CARRY
ON IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE I SEE A POSSIBILTY OF EITHER A SPILL-OVER OR A MAJOR
RIFT BETWEEN THE GAMBIA AND SENEGAL.
EBRIMA DRAMEH
THE UNVERSITY OF BUCKINGHAM
UNITED KINGDOM.
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 16:30:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: POLYGAMY
Message-ID: <970504163010_-1567657343@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Sirra wrote:
I think our friend Bass is jumping to conclusions here. Being able to
"afford" multiple wives does not necessary mean financially. One also
has to have the time, emotional capacity etc. as well as the "good
qualities" mentioned above in my opinion.
Sirra Ndow
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Good point, Sirra.
Jabou
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 16:31:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Yaya Jallow <yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
To: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
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Tony,
The story you put up is absolutely accurate. Air Afrique has no clue about
customer intimacy. They operate in total disregard to passengers'
concerns.
The solution lies in consumer sovereignty. Do not fly Air Afrique under no
circumstances. I know people are sometimes lured by the low fares they
offer in comparisons to other major airlines, but security and peace of
mind is worth the extra dollars.
As for the Air Afrique itshelf, I wish the governments that own it should
simply privatize it, otherwise it will continue to suffer the gross
incompetencies associated with government bureaucracies.
Good day to you all.
Yaya
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:56:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
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Hi Folks,
I also had a harrowing experience with Air Afrique. For us, the
delay was ten hours and the service was rude and laughable.
I am actually suing Air Afrique in small claims court because they
damaged my luggage and are not responding to my claims for restitution. I
would actually be very grateful if I can get testimonials of the "service"
at Air Afrique i.e Air Afrique damaged your luggage, gave you bad
service , etc. If you can be of any help, please send your
testimonial to: at137@columbia.edu .
I think the way to change Air Afrique is to hit it where it hurts
the most ; the pocketbook. If people actually started suing them, they
will have to clean up their act or risk going bellyup.
-Abdou.
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A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 21:13:45 -0400
From: "M. Darboe" <mdarboe@fred.net>
To: "'Gambia-L@u.washington.edu'" <Gambia-L@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Deja Vu: Apathy or Indifference
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Recently, I posted three or four politically relatively provocative =
items on the Gambia List. I was amazed, surprised and even concerned =
when hardly anybody reacted to the postings. Deja vu: Apathy or =
indifference?
Since the presidential elections, I have observed that the level of =
interest in Gambian politics has noticeably declined on the Gambia List. =
Actually, the number of contributors to the discussions, relative to =
the total list of members, has significantly dropped. These days, the =
discussions--while interesting and useful--are on what I consider to be =
"safe" topics or issues. Essentially, the lively debate we all enjoyed =
up to the elections has just disappeared. I have seen this type of =
attitude before, i.e., the apathy and indifference with regard to =
Gambian national politics and issues that prevailed among many of us =
during the Jawara regime. I sincerely hope that I am mistaken that the =
current situation is a return to those old ways.
We must remember that one of the reasons a military takeover became =
necessary and even acceptable to many Gambians was because the requisite =
vigorous critique of the Jawara regime was lacking; consequently, what =
purported to be a democratic government gradually deteriorated to an =
oligarchy. We face the same dangers or worse if we allow ourselves to =
sink into another mental state of apathy and indifference. Whatever =
type of government we have today in the Gambia cannot and will not be =
democratic until and unless all Gambians participate in the process. =
Such participation includes an energetic debate of all issues relevant =
to our national growth. The current regime must be critiqued vigorously =
to ensure the path to democracy and good governance. The critique must =
include both acknowledgments of the regime's successes in governing =
according to general democratic principles and the values prescribed by =
the Constitution, as well as criticism for deviations from these same =
principles and values.
I will be waiting to see how many of you will now leap into the fray and =
re-energize the debate about our future and that of all Gambians.
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 18:38:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
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Subject: Re: Polygamy
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:) Ylva
On Sat, 3 May 1997 Gunjur@aol.com wrote:
>
> Ylva Herlund and Malanding wrote:
>
>
> <<>
> > This discussion on polygamy is very interesting...I was reminded of a
> > passage from Birago Diop's Tales of Amadou Koumba, where he writes: "In
> > the matter of wives two is not a good number. The man who wants to avoid
> > quarrels, shouting, grousing, reproaches, and nasty innuendoes must have
> > at least three wives, or else one, but never two. Two women in the same
> > house always have with them a third companion, who is not only good for
> > nothing, but also happens to be the worst of bad councellors. This
> > companion is shrill-voiced Envy, bitter as tamarind
> > juice."......Reactions? Ylva
> >
> >
>
> I like this one Ylva. Thank you.
>
> Malanding
>
> Yeah, l can see where Birago Diop has a point, perhaps the solution here is
> to have so many that each wife will find it too tiresome to have to direct
> hostility at so many people that they'll all give up and live in harmony.
>
> Jabou
>
>
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 19:00:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
To: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>, ;
Subject: Re: Air Afrique
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I have the utmost empathy for this woman after having gone through some
similar experiences myself...What is interesting, however, is that when MY
luggage was lost for four days last summer this seems to have been caused
equally by TWA. My daughter and I flew TWA from Seattle to NY (then Air
Afrique to Dakar) and were told we had to check the luggage all the way
through to Dakar. Given that there was only a two hour lay over at JFK, I
tried to refuse to do this, but ended up succumbing (felt sorry for all
the red-eyed employees...this was a few days after the TWA bombing...). In
New York, it took me and my five year old a mere half hour to WALK to the
international terminal, but TWA never got our bags there on time. Air
Afrique people told us that "they never get the bags here in less than
three hours." Likewise, on the return trip, all TWA flights were severely
delayed and connections were all missed, whereas the Air Afrique leg of
the journey went rather smoothly (although the lost suitcase, before
finally arriving in Gambia, did accidently get sent to Abidjan for a day
or so...).....I don't know what my point is (certainly not to defend what
happened to Tony's cousin....), maybe just that incompetence and disregard
for passengers is not solely a problem of African Airlines (I will never
fly TWA again, but might again take my chances on Air Afrique...). The
incompetence at Yundum when trying to collect my lost luggage was,
however, another story altogether....Ylva
n Sun, 4 May 1997, A. Loum wrote:
>
>
> Gambia-l,
>
> I received a very long letter from a female cousin in New York, detailing
> some of the ordeals she underwent during the last Christmas vacation while
> travelling to The Gambia with Air Afrique airlines. She asked me to post
> it in The Internet. While it was too long, I decided to give you a summary
> of the events that unfolded and then ask some few questions after it.
>
> Along with her 22 month old son, she purchased 2 round trip airline
> tickets on Air Afrique from New York to Banjul and also paid for all the
> excess baggage charges. At Dakar without any advanced warnings, they
> stayed in the airport for three and half hours before getting a flight to
> Banjul. At Banjul, she discovered four of her luggages were left behind
> and one was opened and damaged. She followed the appropriate claims
> procedures with assistance from Gambia Airways personnel. She was informed
> that most luggages were left behind in New York due to the fact that the
> capacity for all luggages checked in by Air Afrique personnel was more
> than the allocated spaces available in The Air Afrique air craft.
> According to her, this revealed mismanagement due to corruption and greed.
> They requested cash for services that could not be delivered regardless of
> the outcome.
> Unfortunately for her, basic necessities for use during her
> vacation were in the luggages left behind. At The Banjul Travel Office,
> she was informed of the unavailability for any inconvenient allowances as
> Air Afrique did not open an office with a representative in Banjul at the
> time. Her luggages finally arrived on New Year's eve.
> By departure time in January, Air Afrique had opened an office in
> Banjul at Hagan Street. She was told by the manager Mr Njogu Secka that
> her name was on the list with a cancelled code. Acccording to her, Air
> Afrique has the bad habit of reselling already sold seats to new
> customers. On Sunday, January 12th, she checked in and paid all the excess
> fees for her flight back to New York. Air Afrique did not have the decency
> to allow passengers with children the priviledge of boarding the aircraft
> first. The departure was scheduled for 12pm but never left until later as
> the original Air Afrique jet never showed up and no explanation and
> apologies were offered.
> At Dakar, things got worse when they were issued no boarding
> passes for the continued flight to New York. They were told that the
> flight was completely full with no more seats available. By this time, she
> was among 17 other passengers ( mostly Gambians ) which included four
> teenagers and two infants. This triggered endless screams and yelling with
> no managers to attend to their needs. Food, water, resting place were not
> offered until 7pm that evening. They were taken to Hotel Ngor which was
> close to the airport. They were then routed at 1am, dropped off at the
> airport and stayed there till 6am before boarding another Air Afrique
> flight to Paris with the promise that that they will be connected to
> another Air Afrique flight to New York. They missed the connecting flight
> at Paris. Screaming and yelling started again until French Police came and
> restrain the situation. They were taken to a Holiday Inn to spend another
> night, off course with no inconvenient allowances. Luckily, Air France was
> able to connect them to another TWA ( Trans World Airlines ) to New York
> the next day, Tuesday January 14th. Upon arrival at New York, they found
> out that their luggages did not arrive and to add insult to injury, there
> was
> no Air Afrique representative for an explanation. The Air France manager
> told them of their disgust the whole week with Air Afrique as no
> communication was coming from them for explanation to angry Air Afrique
> passengers with lost luggages. As of the date, this letter was written to
> me, no phone calls or indications were given by Air Afrique as to when
> they will get access to their luggages.
> A signed letter of complaint by all affected passengers were sent
> to U.S. Senator John MCain, subcomittee chairman on aviation, U.S.
> Representative Bud Shuster, chairman of Transportation committee and
> various Air Afrique managers in Paris, Dakar and Banjul.
>
> In light of the above story, here are some few questions that I am posing
> to group :
>
> 1. Should Air Afrique be allowed to operate under such circumstances when
> they are unable to deliver quality services which their passengers have
> paid for ?
>
> 2. Have you ever experienced similar encounters with Air Afrique or any
> other air lines ?
>
> 3. Should we be bound to patronize Air Afrique just because it is an
> African owned air line or should we spend our money on whoever can give us
> the best services regardless of the national origins of its ownership ?
>
> 4. After this experience, what else can be done to prevent Air Afrique
> of future reoccurences with its passengers ?
>
> I will be looking forward for a discussion on this issue since all
> of us have and will be travelling with Air lines.
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
> ========================================================================
>
> Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
> Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
> 100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
> University of Washington
> Box 353200
> Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
>
> =========================================================================
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 23:49:11 -0400
From: Andy Lyons <alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: Request for information
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I received this note from a visitor to The Gambia Resource Page. Anyone who
can offer assistance please contact the author directly. Thanks.
Andy Lyons
The Gambia Resource Page
http://grove.ufl.edu/~alyons
>Return-Path: <Emily.Awour@AORG.UIB.NO>
>Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 14:58:32 +0200
>From: Emily Achieng Awuor <Emily.Awour@aorg.uib.no>
>Subject: Application for employment
>
>Dear Sir/Madame,
>
>My name is Emily Awuor. I am a twenysix years old female and a Kenyan by
>birth and citizenship. I am also married to an ethnic Gambian and I do
>intend to settle in The Gambia in the period of July/august 1998.
>
>Currently I am majoring in Administration and Organization Theory at the
>University of Bergen, Norway. I also have undergrauate courses in Mass
>Communication, Social Pedagogy (Education), philosophy, Research
>Methodolgy and Administration. At present I am working on my
>post-graduate thesis which looks into how multi-national companies
>influence the formation of donnor countries' foreign aid policy.
>
>My reason for sending this e-mail is that I am looking for a job in The
>Gambia.
>If anyone who reads this mail can consider me useful, or knows anyone
>who might need an employee with my academic records, I would honoured to
>hear from you. Personally I am interested in areas of development, publi
>relations, state/government, policy planning, education, media and
>administration. But I am without doubt willing to accept any offer
>regardless of which part of the country.
>
>You are welcome to reach me on the following e-mail address:
>emily.awuor@aorg.uib.no
>
>Thanks in great anticipation.
>
>Emily Awuor
>
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Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 00:20:15 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or Indifference
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M.Darboe wrote:
"Recently, I posted three or four politically relatively provocative
items on the
Gambia List. I was amazed, surprised and even concerned when hardly
anybody reacted
to the postings. Deja vu: Apathy or indifference?"
If you are referring to the UDP press releases, I must apologize, I
thought they were for informational purposes more than anything else. I
think the UDP is doing what an opposition party is supposed to and what
in the past they have not been doing since the early days of the
Republic (the first one). They are trying to engage the public on
political matters on a more permanent basis rather than waiting until
election time and that is very good.
The problem with the issues they raised is that the people, including
myself, voted for a constitution that included a somewhat ambiguous
schedule that:
1) Makes it pretty much unconstitutional to question the activities of
the AFPRC.
2) Allows the decrees and the consequences of those decrees under the
AFPRC, including the Commissions, to continue.
It seems to me that the Speaker and the majority party are acting within
their authority and the rules. What the UDP has to do is better educate
us on the specific procedures of the National Assembly, vis a vis the
Standing Orders Committee and its work, to show us how the APRC is using
its majority to prevent the issues raised from being addressed in the
National Assembly.
The UDP need to continue to press the matter and use the courts if
necessary. They need to delve more into the corruption allegations to
prove to and move the people including forcing the Taiwanese to respond
to the issue (they are, after all, the source of the funds in question)
and talk more about the consequences including the fact that the money
that was allegedly stolen are loans that will eventually have to be paid
out of funds that should go towards development. This includes, for
example, the farming inputs that were lacking last year to help make
that season more succesful than it was.
M.Darboe also wrote:
"Since the presidential elections, I have observed that the level of
interest in
Gambian politics has noticeably declined on the Gambia List. Actually,
the number of
contributors to the discussions, relative to the total list of members,
has
significantly dropped. These days, the discussions--while interesting
and
useful--are on what I consider to be "safe" topics or issues.
Essentially, the
lively debate we all enjoyed up to the elections has just disappeared.
I have seen
this type of attitude before, i.e., the apathy and indifference with
regard to
Gambian national politics and issues that prevailed among many of us
during the
Jawara regime. I sincerely hope that I am mistaken that the current
situation is a
return to those old ways."
I am afraid you are not mistaken. Some people think that the coup
d'etat of '94 somehow raised people's political conscience. It did
not. If anything, I believe it brought about a "novelty", that is the
change in government. This novelty only did what novelties usually do
in The Gambia. People start talking or discussing and the level of
interest rises to a certain degree but as time passes, the novelty wears
out and things go back to normal. In this case complacency.
I think when Gambians, both those with and without a Western education,
start to realize that politics really can effect their lives the way
others in our West African neighboring countries have, then we will
really see the rise in political conscience that is necessary for our
democracy to grow. In our case this might come sooner than later as the
present economic situation continues but only if the opposition does its
job and individuals like ourselves take their cue.
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 01:25:13 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Fwd: shell in nigeria]
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I came across the following and thought that I would pass it on. It is
not directly related to The Gambia but to a subject that was widely
disscussed on this list. While I would not suggest we restart that
disscussion, I offer the following message and its response only as an
interesting read.
Peace.
Lat
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From: ejawse@interlog.com (ijose chow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: shell in nigeria
Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 11:13:00 -0800
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***Read this..
(then post, distribute, photocopy, etc for public notice)
ANNIVESARY OF THE MURDER OF KENULE SARO WIWA AND THE NINE OTHER OGONI
ENVIRONMENTALISTS
CAMPAIGN TO STOP A US$4 BILLION PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AT BONNY (NIGERIA)
OF A PLANT TO CONVERT NATURAL GAS INTO LIQUID FORM (LNG) FOR SHIPMENT TO
WESTERN COUNTRIES.
According to SHELL: ³ Current gas reserves exceed 3,400 billion cubic
metres, placing Nigeria among the global top ten in natural gas reserves.
A huge investment lies behind the proposed construction at Bonny of a
plant to convert natural gas into liquid form (LNG), for shipment abroad.
It is scheduled to come on stream in 1995.....Initial capacity will be
four million tonnes per year, with Bonny gas set to capture a large part
of the Western Europe LNG market well into the 21st century....²
KEN SARO WIWA
SHELL
AND THE OGONI PEOPLES
I
THE NIGER DELTA
The Niger Delta is in Southern Nigeria with over 20 river systems. About
6 million people depend on the Niger Delta fertile fishing and
agricultural land. As only 30% of the land is unaffected by heaving
flooding, the remaining land has to support a concentrated population.
There is heavy competition for land on the Niger Delta between oil
corporations. (Unfortunately) for the local community, this land is rich
in oil. Oil exploration has resulted in drastic weather changes so severe
for the Niger Delta that UNEP began, in 1993, a research into the impacts
of climate change on the Delta. The land is geologically sensitive; oil
corporations are still advancing the total sinking of the land.
NIGERIA IS COMMITTED TO A FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT CALLS FOR INCREASING OIL
PRODUCTION CAPACITY TO 2.5 MILLION BARRELS PER DAY AND BOOSTING PROVEN
RESERVES TO OVER 20 BILLION BARRELS IN 1993/94. THIS WILL ONLY HAVE THE
EFFECTS OF FURTHER EXPLOITATION BY OIL MULTINATIONALS.
II
THE OGONI
There are approximately 250 ethnic cultures in the Federal Republic of
Nigeria. The Ogoni is one of them. Their (Ogoni) territory forms the
eastern most extension of the mainland fringe bordering the eastern Niger
Delta, covering approximately 404 square miles with a population of over
500,000.
The Ogonis have a long history of preserving their surrounding
environment. Rivers and streams are regarded as not only providing water
for life: drinking, fishing, household; but also sacred and intricately
bound with the life of the community.
The heavy competition for land between the Ogoni and the oil companies has
resulted in the local communities being forced out of their environment,
killed in peaceful demonstrations, and individual members closely
monitored.
The land in question has been poisoned from oil extraction and the
malpractice that accompany it. The air contains PAHs (with severe
carcinogenic qualities).
With these exploitation and oppression, Ogoni is become increasingly
defenseless. People can no longer live off the land, which has been made
unsuitable for farming. The fishing industry can no longer provide a
future of employment. Younger OGONIs are moving away to seek employment
in cities.
All these are as a result of the environment and political impact of Shell
¹s (and other foreign oil corporations) oil activities.
According to Ken SARO WIWA, the Ogoni may be extinct within 20-25 years
should this exploitation be allowed to continue. Ken clearly referred to
Shell oil activities and resultant devastation as genocide.
III
KEN SARO WIWA
A poet, writer, playwright, human rights activist and environmentalist,
KEN SARO WIWA was an outspoken and direct key player in the fight of the
Niger Delta against the devastation and exploitation of oil corporations
and sell-out by the Nigerian government. KEN was, before his murder, the
president of Association of Nigeria Authors and a spokesman for MOSOP, a
movement for the liberation of the Ogoni.
Back in 1992, KEN SARO WIWA was arrested on June 22nd at gunpoint and
subsequently charged on July 13th on six counts including sedition and
unlawful assembly (of a group of people). He was to remain in prison till
September 20 of same before any bail could be granted. The arrest and
charges of KEN SARO WIWA was as a result of the meeting held by MOSOP
about the exploitation of SHELL.
At the time of this arrest in 1992, KEN SARO WIWA had already had two
minor heart attacks. At this point Amnesty International proclaimed him a
prisoner of conscience and even mentioned SHELL in their emergency appeal.
KEN was released same year.
However, KEN was arrested again in 1994 as his political activities was as
strong as ever. This time he was framed with the murder of his friends and
colleagues from the Ogoni. He was secretly trialed and in 1995, hanged to
death with 8 other rights activists and environmentalists.
IV
SHELL, oil exploration and continued genocide
In Nigeria, SHELL is the largest oil and natural gas exploration,
accounting for over 50% of the nation¹s crude oil output with
headquarters in Lagos, and operating divisions in the western and eastern
parts of Nigeria.
Over 14% of SHELL¹s global oil production comes from Nigeria alone.
Acknowledging that Nigeria has ³...large reserves of oil and gas, but in
small scattered accumulations found mainly in the Niger Delta...;² SHELL
ravages the swampland and riverine terrain by producing fields linked
through several thousand kilometres stretch of pipelines, unscrupulous
spillage, and gas flaring.
Since 1958 the Ogoni have been attempting to confront the oil companies
(ELF, AGIP) -SHELL in particular- over their irresponsible activities
(environmental destruction, political oppression through the help of the
Nigerian government and police, forced evacuation of surrounding villages,
double standards -in comparison to SHELL¹s activities in industrialized
countries) and compensation.
It is estimated that Ogoni Land has contributed an estimated US$30 billion
in oil revenues. However facilities for the local community are virtually
non-existent contrary to SHELL propaganda.
Two decades earlier agriculture and fishing was the backbone of the Ogoni
income. No royalties have been received to date for the lease of their
land for oil exploration. Under the Nigerian Law, regional landowners are
entitled to royalties for minerals extracted from their land as well as
mining rents. NOTHING HAS BEEN PAID.
According to SHELL: ³Recently, the Federal Government responded to
community concerns by doubling the statutory revenue allocated to
oil-producing areas to three per cent (3%)...²
SHELL has, on numerous occasions and in its publications, claimed that a
royalty of 3% has been set aside for the Ogoni people.
This figure was originally 1.5% and was only increased to 3% after
mounting criticism over the Umuechem massacre (80 locals killed in Shell
protest, October 1990)
Shell originally used this example (of the doubling from 1.5% to 3%
royalties after the massacre) as an indication of their community
assistance!
Now their line is, on growing evidence of Ogoni poverty and the
disappearances and murders of Ogoni spokespersons, that if no money is
reaching the community and it is being brutalized by violence, it is
nothing to do with them but a matter for the government.
Most of us who followed the news would remember that the Nigerian man who,
just before KEN SARO WIWA was murdered, confessed to having been paid in
the set-up of the murder of KEN SARO WIWA and 8 other activists, through
being made to provide false witness, was never heard of; nor did major
North American media carry the news.
V
SHELL and the MURDER OF KEN SARO WIWA and 8 OTHER HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS
and ENVIRONMENTALISTS (and the Ogoni people killed in the set-up to killed
KEN SARO WIWA and his 8 colleagues)
SHELL has been quite happy to continue negotiations with the current
illegal regime over oil production figures. They are still not prepared to
ensure that compensation is paid to the relevant communities. In Nigeria,
without shame, SHELL barely cleans up their act since they can
conveniently blame the Nigerian government for any of their atrocities and
illegal activities)
AN INTERNAL DOCUMENT FROM SHELL WAS PASSED TO INTERNATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL
ORGANIZATIONS IN 1993 AND REVEALS SHELL¹S CULPABILITY. THESE MINUTES
REVEAL THAT SHELL ARE MORE THAN AWARE OF THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THEM,
MOUNTED BY (now murdered) KEN SARO WIWA, AND ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
INTERNATIONAL CRITICISM FROM NGOs
One statement needs no explanation:
³SPDC (Shell Petroleum Development Corporation) and SIPC PA (Shell
International Petroleum Corporation Public Affairs) departments to keep
eachother more closely informed to ensure that movements of key players,
what they say, and to whom, is more effectively monitored to avoid
unpleasant surprises and adversely affect reputation of the Group as a
whole.²
KEN SARO WIWA¹s name is mentioned in this document.
What is frightening to know is that SHELL¹s concern is not about its
genocide, camouflaged brutality and bloodshed, or the devastating impact
its activities are having on the Ogoni and other people in the Niger
Delta, but how any criticism might affect their reputation as an
international group.
KEN SARO WIWA AND 8 OTHER ACTIVISTS HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THE NIGERIAN
GOVERNMENT AND SHELL CONVENIENTLY HIDES UNDER ITS AGENT OF OPPRESSION
WHILE CLAIMING TO BE INNOCENT.
MEANWHILE SHELL CONTINUES TO RAPE NIGERIA , POLLUTED HER LAND AND WATERS,
AND MAINTAIN ITS NETWORK OF CONTROL AND MONITORING OF ACTIVISTS AND ³KEY
PLAYERS²
What is still happening in Niger Delta?:
1. SHELL is still flaring gas at low levels, despite Nigerian Law
forbidding oil companies not to -it is obviously cheaper for
SHELL to ignore the law and pay fines (especially as
Structural Adjustment Programme (SAP) imposed by the World
Bank on developing countries has drastically devalued the
Nigerian currency against the US$).
Nigeria loses approximately $540 million a year in revenue
through gas flaring.
2. Gas flaring at these levels exposes the local community to
impacts of everyday fuel combustion i.e. PAHs which are
carcinogenic.
No health impact studies have ever been conducted.
3. High pressure pipelines are running directly through villages.
4. Mangrove swamps have been destroyed or are dying as a
result of oil exploration -and oil waste entering the river
system.
5. No piped clean water.
6. Noise pollution as a result of flares located next to villages.
7. Use of outdate equipments, leading to increased spillage,
blowouts, etc.
Last year 1995, General Sanni Abacha abrogated laws protecting local
Nigerian businesses from complete ownership by foreign investors. Under
Abacha¹s regime, foreign individual or corporate investors can completely
own businesses or contracts in Nigeria and also repatriate 100% returns on
investments.
This means that local industries and small businesses in Nigeria will
continue to suffer in an economically austere environment clogged with
foreign corporate dinosaurs. And since these foreign corp/enterprises are
100% foreign owned, employment for Nigerians will be crushed/remain at
clerkship with Nigerian people having no control over their lives.
WHAT CAN YOU DO?
(any/everyone can help in the struggle against corporate oppression)
I
Write to the Nigerian government through:
!!! THE NIGERIA HIGH COMMISSIONER IS NO LONGER IN OTTAWA
A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT VOLUNTARILY PACKED UP AND
LEFT OTTAWA. THIS IS MORE OF A SHOW OF ARROGANCE THAN ANYTHING.
ESPECIALLY AS CANADIANS AND THE CANADIAN GOVT ARE STILL DOING BUSINESS AS
USUAL WITH OIL COMPANIES STATIONED IN NIGERIA (IN PARTICULARLY SHELL WITH
THE VAST AMOUNT OF CONTRACTS IN CANADA), AND THE NIGERIAN GOVT.
HOWEVER YOU CAN WRITE THE NIGERIA PERMANENT MISSION:
EMBASSY OF NIGERIA
2201 M. STREET NW
WASHINGTON D.C. 20037
(TEL): (212) 822.1500
Ask the Nigerian Military government -in the name of hundreds murdered
and missing, of Dele Giwa, Ken SARO WIWA, JUSTICE and DEMOCRACY- to
release all prisoners of conscience and hand over power to civilian rule.
II
Write to Shell International through:
Shell Canada
Public Affairs Unit
P O Box 100
Station M
Calgary
T2P 2H5
Phone: (403) 691-3198
Fax: (403) 269-8031
Ask Shell International to pay the Ogoni and All peoples of the Niger
Delta all outstanding royalties and compensation for bloodshed, murders,
political, social, and environmental devastation and genocide. Ask them
to clean up the toxins, spillage, and waste lying in the Delta.
demand they leave Nigeria
III
WRITE TO THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT
VIA THE PRIME MINISTER/YOUR LOCAL MP:
MPs
MIKE HARRIS 325-3745
BILL SAUNDERSON -EGLINTON 325-6918
DERWYN SHEA -HIGH PARK/SWANSEA 585-7682
ISABEL BASSETT -ST. ANDREWS/ST. PATRICK 325-1584
AL LEACH -ST. GEORGE/ST. DAVID 585-6470
DAVE JOHNSON -DONMILLS 327-3790
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ijose chow <ejawse@interlog.com> wrote in article
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came a posting about
> ANNIVESARY OF THE MURDER OF KENULE SARO WIWA AND THE NINE OTHER OGONI
> ENVIRONMENTALISTS
Whoah! First there were a total of nine executed, Saro-Wiwa and eight
others. And the label environmentalist which was attributed to the movement
some four or five years ago has a terrible, and very distressing history.
Here it is in a nutshell: Many of the Ogoni people have been upset for
years because the benefits of local industry (particularly
oil refineries) were not going to the people. Their main
political confrontation had been with local people as opposed to the
federal military government or FMG. And it was an economic thing, as
opposed to an environmental one, their interests being in wealth
distribution and land use. But then at the 1992 "earth summit" in Rio de
Janeiro they were discovered by the "Body Shop" people in London -- Anita
Rodick and her minions -- during the "earth summit" in Rio. Roddick was
able to hold out a carrot to them. She offered the one thing that could
help them most, which was also the one thing they could not possibly manage
to get by themselves -- namely access to the global mainstream media. But
it came with a terrible price. Roddick and the crew converted their cause
from a struggle against corporate capitalism into poster boys for the
western bourgeois environmental movement. Now these Nigerian activists knew
zilch, nada, nyet about environment. At a speaking engagement in London,
for instance, one Ogoni spokesperson insisted oil spills cause acid rain
because the raw petroleum evaporates into the clouds. In other words, they
were used. The did not know the environmental lingo because their concerns
lay elsewhere. Ultimately, there was the clash with LOCAL officials (not
federal) and four Ogoni leaders died in a car that was torched during a
riot. I am not saying that Rodick or any of them purposely caused their
deaths, but they relished the confrontation. And I am sure the London crowd
and their collaborators in the U.S. were not particularly hesitant about
putting a bunch of Nigerians at risk. So ultimately, they all became
martyrs for the "environment," something that was part of the western
agenda and not the Nigerians. This is the kind of manipulation that has
been going on. The real issue is development and how that process should
benefit the Nigerian people.
>CAMPAIGN TO STOP A US$4 BILLION PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AT BONNY
>(NIGERIA) OF A PLANT TO CONVERT NATURAL GAS INTO LIQUID FORM
>FOR SHIPMENT TO WESTERN COUNTRIES.
The plant should be built. And the earnings belong to the Nigerian people,
or more specifically the workers. I am sure if you took a poll in that
region, that people would far prefer to have good homes, modern
conveniences, proper and affordable education, competent medical care, safe
roads, and the things that people enjoy in the wealthy countries than they
would to keep the oil under the ground. For God's sakes, get real.
>Oil exploration has resulted in drastic weather changes so severe
>.....
Like in Texas? Or do I detect reflection of the subtle (perhaps
subconscious) fear of wealth and industry in African hands that pervades
the western elite these days?
>NIGERIA IS COMMITTED TO A FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT CALLS FOR INCREASING OIL
>PRODUCTION CAPACITY TO 2.5 MILLION BARRELS PER DAY AND BOOSTING PROVEN
>RESERVES TO OVER 20 BILLION BARRELS IN 1993/94. THIS WILL ONLY HAVE
>THE EFFECTS OF FURTHER EXPLOITATION BY OIL MULTINATIONALS.
Not necessarily. If Nigeria were to act decisively to stem the outflow of
resources from the country (as the government has been doing lately,
despite false accusations appearing below in the original message), then
the benefits of the vast national oil wealth would give Nigeria
extraordinary power on the world scene. U.S. leaders have feared this
intensely, particularly in the aftermath of the 1973-4 OPEC oil embargo. It
was in that context that the nation's nationalist leader Muritala Muhamed
was assassinated. For information about that please read:
http://www.africa2000.com/bndx/bao232.htm
>The Ogonis have a long history of preserving their surrounding
>environment.
It's not environmentalism. It's poverty. They don't have the money to
improve their surroundings.
>....KEN was arrested again in 1994 as his political activities was as
>strong as ever. This time he was framed with the murder of his friends
>and colleagues from the Ogoni....
He was set up, not framed. Once he was found and chosen to be the "poster
boy" for bourgeois land interests (and for keeping a lid on Nigerian
economic power) outsiders had a vested interest in confrontation. It is a
tragedy, because what they really wanted was for the Nigerian people to get
their fair share of the goodies.
>Since 1958 the Ogoni have been attempting to confront the oil
>companies (ELF, AGIP) -SHELL in particular- over their irresponsible
>activities (environmental destruction, political oppression through
>the help of the Nigerian government and police....
It was not -- repeat NOT -- about environment. It was about the massive
theft of riches from the Nigerian economy and from the labourers. And it is
naive to state that "oppression" came from within. Even under the previous
U.S.-friendly regime of I.B.B. repressive policies were largely dictated by
western governments and imposed through so-called "aid" activities, the
policies of western-controlled multilateral financial institutions, and all
the rest. Again, read the Muritala Muhamed piece at
http://www.africa2000.com/bndx/bao232.htm
>Two decades earlier agriculture and fishing was the backbone of the
>Ogoni income.
And two hundred years ago the same could be said about the United States,
or at least most of it. America became industrialized and emerged as a
great power. Now on the wane, Americans and their European allies are
trying to keep potential competitors weak. That is why it is so fashionable
in the western (corporate controlled) media these days to weep crocodile
tears about environment when the real fear is a challenge to the west from
potentially wealthy but poorly-developed states like Nigeria.
>No royalties have been received to date for the lease of their
>land for oil exploration.
Royalties are not really the solution. It is Nigerian oil and so the
profits in their entirety should go to the Nigerian people.
>SHELL ... can
>conveniently blame the Nigerian government for any of their atrocities
>and illegal activities....
That's what I mean.
>Last year 1995, General Sanni Abacha abrogated laws protecting local
>Nigerian businesses from complete ownership by foreign investors.
>Under Abacha¹s regime, foreign individual or corporate investors can
>completely own businesses or contracts in Nigeria and also repatriate
>100% returns on investments.
The opposite is true. Since the U.S. more or less broke off its bilateral
"development" pact with Nigeria, the government has been less accommodating
to western interests. And this is to the good of Nigeria. It is not enough.
But it is better than it was. the above statement is absolutely and utterly
false.
If you want to do something about the situation, oppose U.S. intervention
-- period. Western funded development projects, western-hired NGOs
(so-called non governmental organizations that get their money from
governments), western propaganda and economic warfare, military aid, and
the brutal credit terms dictated by the major powers are the problem.
Nigeria has enormous natural and human resources. And that is what her
enemies fear most of all.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!
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Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 01:50:40 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Fwd: Director acts on criticism of U.N. Habitat Centre
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Copyright 1997 Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved.
Director acts on criticism of U.N. Habitat Centre.
By Manoah Esipisu
NAIROBI, May 4 (Reuter) - The director of the Nairobi-based U.N.
Centre for Human Settlements (Habitat) on Sunday announced a
"revitalisation action plan" in response to international criticism of
its performance and financial controls.
Wally N'Dow said in a press statement the plan to meet what he
termed "constructive criticism" of Habitat's administrative and
financial performance was aimed at more efficient fund-raising, tighter
control of spending, and a more efficient and transparent financial
reporting system.
He said it provided for restructuring Habitat, which is responsible
within the U.N. system for improvement of all aspects of housing,
especially in the developing world.
N'Dow, said the plan stressed greater participation by Habitat
staff and stronger training. He called it part of an overall U.N. reform
process. N'Dow, of Gambia, took over the Habitat centre in 1994.
N'Dow had earlier rejected as "incorrect in facts and judgement" a
scathing U.N. report that said Habitat urgently needed a financial and
policy overhaul to survive.
The report by the U.N. office of Internal Oversight Services led by
Karl Paschke of Germany said Habitat had few financial controls, hired
unneeded consultants, assigned staff to tasks they did not perform and
functioned in a muddled organisational and policy structure.
"Allowing the current state of affairs to persist for any length of
time into the future would be reprehensible. Accordingly, the situation
of Habitat is serious and should not be allowed to continue," the report
said.
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan agreed with the findings, his
spokesman Fred Eckhard said.
A separate report commissioned by Uganda, South Africa, Denmark and
the Netherlands into Habitat also spoke of problems in management,
especially financial resources.
The Habitat Centre was set up after the first U.N. conference on
human settlements, in Vancouver, Canada, in 1976.
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:07:55 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [Fwd: shell in nigeria]
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Lat,
Thanks for the forward on Shell in Nigeria. The second enclosure sounds
interesting-- a question of the divide in Nigeria about the whole issue.
Lamin Drammeh.
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Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 09:42:01 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or Indifference
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At 21:13 04.05.97 -0400, M. Darboe wrote:
>Recently, I posted three or four politically relatively provocative items
on the Gambia List. I was amazed, surprised and even concerned when hardly
anybody reacted to the postings. Deja vu: Apathy or indifference?
M. DARBOE!
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FORCE PEOPLE INTO REACTING TO YOUR POSTINGS. WHILE
OTHERS ARE OCCUPIED WITH POLITICS OTHERS ARE OCCUPIED WITH OTHER ISSUES
LIKE, HOW TO HELP IMPROVE OUR EDUCATION AND HEALTH SYSTEMS, SOCIAL ISSUES
LIKE POLYGAMY, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND ETC. I HAVE NEVER SEEN YOUR
CONTRIBUTION TO THESE ISSUES BUT ONLY MATTERS OF THE UDP. NO ONE IS QUERYING
YOU FOR THAT. YOU CAN LEAD THE HORSE TO THE STREAM BUT YOU CAN'T FORCE IT TO
DRINK.
REGARDS,
:)))Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 12:08:45 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or Indifference
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M. Darboe wrote:
>
> Recently, I posted three or four politically relatively provocative items on the Gambia List. I was amazed, surprised and even concerned when hardly anybody reacted to the postings. Deja vu: Apathy or indifference?
>
>
>
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>
> I will be waiting to see how many of you will now leap into the fray and re-energize the debate about our future and that of all Gambians.
MARIAMA!!
THE EXCITEMENT OF DISCUSSING GAMBIAN POLITICS HAS NOT GONE
ANYWHERE.IT IS VERY MUCH ALIVE AND KICKING.I AM SURE ALL OF US ARE
MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT WHEN THE BODY POLITICS OF A NATION COMPLAINS OF
COMMON COLD, ALL THE OTHER ASPECTS OF LIFE IN THAT COUNTRY WOULD
IMMEDIATELY START SNEEZING.HAVING SAID THAT,Man Does Not Live By Bread
Alone,IF I MAY QUOTE JESUS HERE.Yai Kah Jeng,A MEMBER OF GAMBIA-L,ONCE
COMPLAINED HERE THAT THIS LIST HAD A TENDENCY TO OVER-DISCUSS POLITICS
AT THE DETRIMENT OF ALL THE OTHER VITAL ISSUES IN THE LIFE OF THE
NATION.SO,I THINK EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NOT LOST ANY OF OUR VIGOUR AND
PASSION TO SCREAM AT EACH OTHER OVER OUR DIFFERENT POLITICAL OPINIONS,WE
JUST WANT TO HAVE A SENSE OF PROPORTION BY GIVING THE ERSTWHILE
NEGLECTED AREAS THEIR FAIR SHARE OF OUR ATTENTION.SO,IT HAS NOTHING TO
DO WITH apathy OR indifference, JUST A REORGANISATION OF PRIORITIES,BUT
I AM SURE WHEN HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH OUR Observer Online,SO THAT
WE KNOW ON A DAILY BASIS WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOES NOT WORK BACK
HOME;THEN ,PERHAPS,WE WILL HAVE A LOT TO SCREAM AT EACH OTHER ABOUT.THAT
IS WHEN THE FIREWORKS WILL START AGAIN!
REGARDS BASSSS!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:03:07 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Olafiaklinikken Olafia <olafia@online.no>
To: <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Report Gambia College for Musa Sowe
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Hello Musa
Here is is the first report you missed from the Gambia College:
I am back from the Gambia. I did visited the Gambia College but neither the
Principal, V. Principal, Registra nor the D. Registra were available. I did
get meeting with Head of the School of Education, Agriculture and Public
Health. Though Andreas friend Couldn=B4t take alon the planned materials but
the samples she brought along wre higly appreciated as gifts rather than
samples. Thanks alot Andrea for your concern for our motherland. They were
waiting for diskettes for months the two packages were really a good start.
Concerning needed books the Heads of the various faculties did agree upon
that this have to be work out with the students and make a list which will
be sent over. They believe that it will be more appropiatethat the students
and the libarians set up the list.
We were thinking about donating books and other school materials but the
situation is not as easy as we thought over here. Chairs are very limited,
during lectures the students have to be running nuts to find chairs. The
materials which are seriously neede fast are: PENS, MARKERS, CHALK
(assorted), FILES, ERASERS, PUNCHING MACHINES, DUPLICATING/PHOTOCOPYING
PAPERS, SHARPENERS, MANILA CARDS, ORION PAPERS, DISKETTES 3.5,1.44mb,
CELLOTAPES, RIBBONS (for Espon LQ 510ESC), DUSTERS, PHOTOCOPIERS, OVERHEAD
AND SLIDE PROJECTORS, TELEVISION AND VIDEOS, COMPUTERS AND PRINTERS,
COMPUTER TABLES, CLASSROOM CHAIRS, STEREOSETT W/ TURNTABLE, INTERCOM SYSTEM.
Concerning Auditorium that belongs to the future and there is whatsoever no
hints or plans to get one for the College.
The Home Economics department seriously needed COOKERS, KETTLES & COOKING
UTENSILS.
It was not easy to make appoinments with the Gambia College. There is only
one line which is in the secretary=B4s office, if one calls to Dr. Bojang=
he
has to be fetchfrom his office. The line at the secretary=B4s office is just=
a
telephone apparat. They really do need a switch board and other telephone
hand sets for the V. Principal and the other Heads of departments for
receiving calls. I would be donating a a switch board set with 22 channels
or 10 telephone hand sets and they produced there own switch board. This
will make communication easier, Any comments or questions are welcome
With kind regards
Omar S. Saho
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 08:08:20 -0400
From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Just a Thought (on ALD)
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Hi Sal and Gambia-L,
It is through that most of those who come to the DC area memorial day
weekend come for the partying and the renewal of acquaintances, there
has always been a forum for the exchange of ideas and to educate each
other on matters of importance to our people. It is unfortunate that
many people consider such forums as a waste of time, which they have
never been. Last year's was quiet informative and had to be adjourned
to my apartment after about five hours at the conference room. This
year will be no different. We hope to get together our esteemed
brothers and sisters to share ideas, opinions, history, suggestions on a
number of different subjects.
Yes, I think it would be the ideal place to let the rest of the Gambians
in the U.S. know of the existence of Gambia-L and its objectives -
recruit them to the ideals of the bantab, so to speak. I will post the
ALD program to the bantaba again. Thank you.
Soffie
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:19:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or Indifference
Message-ID: <970505111948_187525379@emout18.mail.aol.com>
In response to what Mr. Darboe wrote and the subsequent reply by Latir, l
agree with the points raised about apathy etc. The question l always ask
myself is how can we make opinions and feelings a useful contribution and not
just mere armchair political commentary. Is there a way that we can submit
our ideas, criticisms etc to the present government and if we do, what will
become of it?Perhaps in addition to reacting with words, we should go a step
further and organize a formal body and set up a process whereby we can put
our observations , ideas, criticisms etc, down on paper and get it in the
hands of the Gambia government and see if there will be any response.
Otherwise, l am afraid we will be only engaging in discussions that are good
yes, but will it make a realistic difference? Perhaps at best, it will
educate all of us as to the kind of government we want to have in our
country. The ultimate solution will be for all of us to eventually go home
and put our money where our mouth is, by participating fully in the political
process, choosing candidates based on their competence to lead and who have
and will implement a vision for progress rather than merely giving us an
encore of the past with a slight twist. Each of us has to be willing to step
forward and be heard and seen and l think a lot of us are not willing to do
that.
Jabou.
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:02:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Mobutu resigns?
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Hi everyone,
In view of recent discussions about the issue in Zaire, l came across this
article which was a front page story on Sunday's issue of the Nashville
Tennessean.
MOBUTU POISED TO GIVE UP OFFICE.
With rebel forces closing in on the capital, President Mobutu Sese SEko of
Zaire has said he will resign after nearly 32 (wow, only in Africa!!) years
in power, American diplomats said yesterday. As South African diplomats
struggled to start direct talks between Mobutu and the rebel leader, Laurent
Kabila, the stage seemed set for Mobutu to abandon power and for rebels to
make a quick entry into this city, the diplomats said.
"The decision for him to leave has been made," one senior American official
said. The major outstanding issue now appears to be whether Kabila will sieze
undivided power or whether he will be persuaded to share it with other
political forces. Speaking from Libreville, Gabon, where they arrived late
Friday after a day of futile efforts to bring Mobutu and Kabila together
aboard a South African warship, senior members of the delgation of President
Clinton's special envoy to Zaire, Bill Richardson, said that with heavy
Angolan support,Kabila was now preparing to take the capital, Kinshasa, by
force if needed. But diplomats in Richardson's delegation said that in a
letter to Clinton,Mobutu had already said he would resign.Members of
Mobutu's entourage also said as much yesterday, indicating their shock that
Kabila had not shown up for talks Friday even though all was in place for
the Zairian president to step aside. Efforts to have the talks take place
continued yesterday. Diplomats engaged in negotiation efforts said the
breakdown Friday was frustrating because Kabila's change of heart came after
strong signals from Mobutu.
They said that before Kabila failed to show up for the talks Friday, Mobutu
who is 66 and ill with prostate cancer, was prepared to "say he is going away
for medical treatment, meaning in effect that he would not return" to Zaire.
It was not immediately clear how Kabila's refusal to show up for talks Friday
might affect Mobutu's resignation plans, but the rebels appear to be leaving
Mobutu little choice.
I also read in Saturday's paper that Kabila had said that he did not show up
for talks because he did not trust the Americans.
Jabou
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 18:37:34 +2000
From: mmjeng@image.dk
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: Unhealthy Lifestyles Thereaten Human Health
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Unhealthy Lifestyles Threaten Human Health
May 5, 1997
Peter Masebu, PANA Correspondent
DAKAR, Senegal (PANA) - The World Health Organization (WHO) has
expressed concern at the increase in diseases arising from sedentary
occupations, inadequate physical activity, unsatisfactory diets,
tobacco, alcohol and drugs in the developing world.
WHO said in its 1997 World Health Report issued in Geneva Monday that
unhealthy lifestyles were responsible for the spiral in
non-communicable diseases that were previously common in the richer
parts of the planet.
In the report, WHO Director-General, Dr Hiroshi Nakajima, notes that
the rising rate of these non-communicable diseases have imposed a
double burden on poor countries, which are also confronted with high
levels of infectious diseases.
The document, entitled Conquering Suffering, Enriching Humanity cites
heart diseases, cancer and chronic pulmonary infections as the
greatest killers.
Heart attacks and strokes together kill 15.3 million people a year
followed by cancer (6.3 million) while chronic pulmonary diseases
cause 2.9 million deaths a year.
These add up to 24.5 million deaths, or 47 percent of the annual
global total of deaths which stood at over 52 million in 1996.
Infectious and parasitic diseases accounted for 17.3 million deaths
while pre-natal and neonatal diseases accounted for 3.5 million
deaths.
Some 585,000 maternal deaths were also recorded while six million
resulted from other causes, including accidents, violence homicide and
suicide.
Of the main causes of cancer, the WHO report mentions smoking, which
accounts for one in 7 cancer cases worldwide.
Diabetes is the other menacing disease, whose number of sufferers is
projected to rise from 135 million now to almost 300 million by the
year 2025 due to population ageing, unhealthy diets, obesity and
sedentary lifestyles.
In the 21st century, developing countries are expected to bear the
brunt of the diabetes epidemic, with a rise in kidney failure,
blindness, foot infections, gangrene and amputation of limbs.
While the report applauds the increase in life expectancy from 48
years in 1955 to over 70 now, it nonetheless expressed fears that the
rising prevalence of unhealthy lifestyles could increase diseases such
as arthritis and the bone involutive condition as well as
osteoporosis.
Dementia, particularly Alzheimer disease, are likely to become one of
the leading causes of disability in the elderly worldwide, it said,
adding that already 29 million people suffer from the disease.
At least 400 million people suffer from other mental disorders,
ranging from mood and personality disorders to neurological conditions
such as epilepsy which alone is estimated to affect 40 million people.
To limit the damage, the WHO spelled out priorities to improve
mankind's ability to prevent, treat and rehabilitate the affected
people.
Where possible, the UN agency will also help in efforts to cure
non-communicable diseases and reduce the enormous suffering and
disability that they cause.
As many of the diseases share a relatively small number of crucial
risk factors, an integrated, coordinated approach to their prevention
is therefore necessary, states the WHo report.
Among the priority actions, it added, is the urgent need to raise
awareness of, and motivation for, healthy lifestyles .
Greetings.
Matarr M. Jeng.
Copyright =A9 1997 Panafrican News Agency. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 18:22:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: ASJanneh@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Just a Thought
Message-ID: <970505182012_-1232279308@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Netters:
Whether it's ALD in the DC area or July 4th in Atlanta, my experience is that
it has been extremely difficult to get our compatriots involved in anything
other than partying and playing/watching soccer. Talk about educational
advancement, political developments, economic self-sufficiency, etc. and the
crowds will be nowhere to be found.
Let me know if your experience has been different!
Amadou Scattred-Janneh
.....somewhere in the mountains of Tennessee!
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:31:48 -0700
From: sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Air Afrique
Message-ID: <199705052231.PAA22567@thesky.incog.com>
Hi,
I warned this particular passenger about Air Afrique and their business practices before she made her reservations. She told me she was getting a cheaper deal by paying $300.00 less than what the average airlines were asking for. So this shouldn't come as a surprise to her. Cheap doesn't always mean best, security and/or convenience. I only had to learn my lesson once and thats its no more Air Afrique for me. I once boarded Air Afrique from Dakar to New York and they didn't have enough food nor drinks for all the passengers on board. Service was lousy and we delayed overnight until the following evening before we could board a flight to New York. We were put in a nearby hotel alright but no word as to takeoff. We also had to fend for ourselves for a 24 hour period as far as food and drinks were concerned.
As far as I'm concerned I don't beleive in patronizing any African business unless they can deliver like their competitors, only then will they have my business. After all business is business and I want the best services I'm paying for.
Air Afrique has a reputation for lousy management and should therefore get out of this business in my opinion or go do their homework and learn more about operations management and what customer service is all about. If you can't do any of these then you shouldn't be in business in the first place.
I agree with Abdou's approach, take them to small claims court and the more passengers do this, the sooner they will be forced to address their incompetence which will impact their bottom line. If passengers are serious about this, they'll be forced to take corrective measures or simply go out of business. People shouldn't have to put up or tolerate this nonsense.
Sarian
> From tloum@u.washington.edu Sun May 4 13:17:34 1997
> Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 13:11:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Air Afrique
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> Gambia-l,
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> I received a very long letter from a female cousin in New York, detailing
> some of the ordeals she underwent during the last Christmas vacation while
> travelling to The Gambia with Air Afrique airlines. She asked me to post
> it in The Internet. While it was too long, I decided to give you a summary
> of the events that unfolded and then ask some few questions after it.
>
> Along with her 22 month old son, she purchased 2 round trip airline
> tickets on Air Afrique from New York to Banjul and also paid for all the
> excess baggage charges. At Dakar without any advanced warnings, they
> stayed in the airport for three and half hours before getting a flight to
> Banjul. At Banjul, she discovered four of her luggages were left behind
> and one was opened and damaged. She followed the appropriate claims
> procedures with assistance from Gambia Airways personnel. She was informed
> that most luggages were left behind in New York due to the fact that the
> capacity for all luggages checked in by Air Afrique personnel was more
> than the allocated spaces available in The Air Afrique air craft.
> According to her, this revealed mismanagement due to corruption and greed.
> They requested cash for services that could not be delivered regardless of
> the outcome.
> Unfortunately for her, basic necessities for use during her
> vacation were in the luggages left behind. At The Banjul Travel Office,
> she was informed of the unavailability for any inconvenient allowances as
> Air Afrique did not open an office with a representative in Banjul at the
> time. Her luggages finally arrived on New Year's eve.
> By departure time in January, Air Afrique had opened an office in
> Banjul at Hagan Street. She was told by the manager Mr Njogu Secka that
> her name was on the list with a cancelled code. Acccording to her, Air
> Afrique has the bad habit of reselling already sold seats to new
> customers. On Sunday, January 12th, she checked in and paid all the excess
> fees for her flight back to New York. Air Afrique did not have the decency
> to allow passengers with children the priviledge of boarding the aircraft
> first. The departure was scheduled for 12pm but never left until later as
> the original Air Afrique jet never showed up and no explanation and
> apologies were offered.
> At Dakar, things got worse when they were issued no boarding
> passes for the continued flight to New York. They were told that the
> flight was completely full with no more seats available. By this time, she
> was among 17 other passengers ( mostly Gambians ) which included four
> teenagers and two infants. This triggered endless screams and yelling with
> no managers to attend to their needs. Food, water, resting place were not
> offered until 7pm that evening. They were taken to Hotel Ngor which was
> close to the airport. They were then routed at 1am, dropped off at the
> airport and stayed there till 6am before boarding another Air Afrique
> flight to Paris with the promise that that they will be connected to
> another Air Afrique flight to New York. They missed the connecting flight
> at Paris. Screaming and yelling started again until French Police came and
> restrain the situation. They were taken to a Holiday Inn to spend another
> night, off course with no inconvenient allowances. Luckily, Air France was
> able to connect them to another TWA ( Trans World Airlines ) to New York
> the next day, Tuesday January 14th. Upon arrival at New York, they found
> out that their luggages did not arrive and to add insult to injury, there
> was
> no Air Afrique representative for an explanation. The Air France manager
> told them of their disgust the whole week with Air Afrique as no
> communication was coming from them for explanation to angry Air Afrique
> passengers with lost luggages. As of the date, this letter was written to
> me, no phone calls or indications were given by Air Afrique as to when
> they will get access to their luggages.
> A signed letter of complaint by all affected passengers were sent
> to U.S. Senator John MCain, subcomittee chairman on aviation, U.S.
> Representative Bud Shuster, chairman of Transportation committee and
> various Air Afrique managers in Paris, Dakar and Banjul.
>
> In light of the above story, here are some few questions that I am posing
> to group :
>
> 1. Should Air Afrique be allowed to operate under such circumstances when
> they are unable to deliver quality services which their passengers have
> paid for ?
>
> 2. Have you ever experienced similar encounters with Air Afrique or any
> other air lines ?
>
> 3. Should we be bound to patronize Air Afrique just because it is an
> African owned air line or should we spend our money on whoever can give us
> the best services regardless of the national origins of its ownership ?
>
> 4. After this experience, what else can be done to prevent Air Afrique
> of future reoccurences with its passengers ?
>
> I will be looking forward for a discussion on this issue since all
> of us have and will be travelling with Air lines.
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
> ========================================================================
>
> Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
> Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
> 100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
> University of Washington
> Box 353200
> Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
>
> =========================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 20:35:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Just a Thought
Message-ID: <970505203530_-433221587@emout01.mail.aol.com>
Amadou Scattred Janneh wrote:
<<Netters:
Whether it's ALD in the DC area or July 4th in Atlanta, my experience is that
it has been extremely difficult to get our compatriots involved in anything
other than partying and playing/watching soccer. Talk about educational
advancement, political developments, economic self-sufficiency, etc. and the
crowds will be nowhere to be found.
Let me know if your experience has been different!
Amadou Scattred-Janneh
.....somewhere in the mountains of Tennessee!
Amadou,
No, my experience has not been different concerning this very subject. Arm
chair politics and endless criticisms will not get us anywhere as a people or
as a nation. That is why l say if we cannot get down to the nitty gritty of
actually implementing things, we might as well forget it. Best regards to you
and your family.
Jabou.
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:07:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Techical problems
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Gambia-l, we have experiencing techical difficulties with the list during
the last few days. We are working to solve it.
Thanks
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 04:47:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Abdourahman Touray <abdou@cs.columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: List Problems
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Hi Folks,
As some of you know (those whose messages were rejected by the
list), we are experiencing problems with the list. The file that the
server uses to determine membership in the list has been locked by some
program. So until this file is available again, the server will not be
able to accept mail from members as it cannot tell who is a member and who
is not.
We hope we can resolve this problem before long.
-Abdou.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 05:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Test
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If this message gets through .....
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A.TOURAY
Computer Science
Columbia University
New York, NY 10027
MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:12:15 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
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Mr. A. Touray, yes it went through, but I can understand from Momodou
Camara, who I contacted yesterday, that there are problems. I have send
a comment three times, so when You find it on the back up, please cancel
the two of them if possible. Else I will thank you for a fine job.
Asbj=F8rn
>----------
>From: ABDOU[SMTP:at137@columbia.edu]
>Sent: 7. May 1997 11.07
>To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
>Subject: Test
>
>If this message gets through .....
>
>************************************************************************=
*****
>**
>A.TOURAY
>Computer Science=20
>Columbia University=20
>New York, NY 10027
>
>MY URL ON THE WWW=3D http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
>
>A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
>SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
>I WANDER AND I WONDER.
>ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
>************************************************************************=
*****
>**
>
>
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 05:21:15 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Fwd: Zaireans panic after Mobutu's palace is looted
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Zaireans panic after Mobutu's palace is looted
By Alec Russell in Kinshasa =
PRESIDENT Mobutu's luxurious pink marble palace in the jungle was
reported
yesterday to have been looted by his retreating
soldiers as diplomatic efforts intensified
to save the capital, Kinshasa, from the same fate.
With the rebels stepping up the pressure on the city,
the president's spokesman said
last night that Mr Mobutu would be leaving today for
Gabon's capital, Libreville, to
discuss the crisis with the presidents of Gabon, Togo
and Congo.
This prompted renewed speculation that the ailing
Zairean leader would use the summit
to announce a "dignified" exit from power and that he
would not return to his country.
One source close to the president said that he was
officially intending to return "but, if
you ask me, I'd say he has plans to make this a
transit stop on the way to France",
where he has a villa.
But after the endless diplomatic twists and turns of
the past few months, residents of
Kinshasa have long since lost hope of a peaceful
settlement and are nervously
preparing for a final showdown.
Leaflets attributed to the rebels circulated in the
city centre calling on people to stay
calm and to wear white headbands to show their support
for the rebel alliance.
Fears for the days ahead were heightened by reports
that Mr Mobutu's ancestral
village, Gbadolite, known as the "Versailles in the
jungle" had been stripped by army
units retreating before the rebel advance.
Gbadolite was a remote village of about 1,500 people
when Mr Mobutu took power in
1965, but by the mid-eighties it was a small city
reported to have the best water,
electrical, telephone and hospital service in the
country.
In Mr Mobutu's heyday, Gbadolite had a daily Boeing
737 flight to Kinshasa and its
runway was specially lengthened to accommodate a
Concorde to take him to his
dentist in France. When residents in the capital
started to turn against him in 1990, Mr
Mobutu took up permanent residence in Gbadolite. But
he left it for the last time in
January when the rebel advance gathered pace.
According to well-placed regional military sources
government soldiers have stripped
Gbadolite bare, maintaining their record of the past
seven months of looting as they
flee. One of Mr Mobutu's sons was seen yesterday in
the office of Swissair booking a
seat for himself on last night's flight to Europe.
As the end of the regime draws closer, there is a
mounting sense of panic that the
soldiers could out of spite pillage Kinshasa, as they
did in 1991 and 1993, when they
killed hundreds of people and devastated large parts
of the city.
The rebel leader, Laurent Kabila, claims that his
forces are within 40 miles of the
airport, which is 20 miles from the city centre.
The United Nations mission in Kinshasa will begin
evacuating all but key personnel
from the Zairean capital today. The mission had a
staff of more than 60 a few months
ago, but some of these may already have left, sources
said.
=A9 Copyright Telegraph Group Limited 1997
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 05:24:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Test
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Hi folks,
We are presently experiencing problems with the list server. The
problem is that a program is locking the file that the server uses to
determine membership in gambia-l. So this seems to be an interim
solution.
I know many of you have had your messages sent back, so please
resend your messages (if you cannot do so, let me know and I will send
the rejected copy). If the problem persists, please be patient.
We should also stop subscribing new members until when this
problem has been solved in its entirety (hopefully by tomorrow).
Thanks and bye for now,
-Abdou.
*******************************************************************************
A.TOURAY
Computer Science
Columbia University
New York, NY 10027
MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
*******************************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 06:52:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: just a thought (fwd)
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'gambia'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: just a thought
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:13:44 +0200
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Friends, don=B4t make it too serious or difficult. I should go for =
exactly
the same. If we were some danes in west-Africa, and we decided to come
together once in a year in Banjul, Dakar, Accra or another interesting
city, we would first of all chat, have fun, partying, make a really
"danish feast". But I=B4m sure that if we also put 2 hours in between =
for
discussions on "homeland-issues" on a more serious level, that would be
appreciated by most of us (not all), because we as danes living far from
home need to talk about "home" with our own countrymen. But it will be
important that the headlines is something that unite us, and not split
us. Not to say that the agenda should be hoovered for all political
subjects. But as we have seen, also on Gambia-L, we are different when
it comes to political means of action to reach the goals. But I=B4m sure
that we as danes could find 1 or 2 topics to discuss, and find 1 or 2
projects back home to support, because what unit us: We are danes,
comming from the same country, which we love (more than we hate it),
even we for some reasons have to live abroad. And as danes living
abroad, gives us a brillant opportunity to see things from distance,and
sometimes that gives a better view, than standing in the middle of the
"jungle". Why should it be otherwise with gambians. Give it a chance.
Just my comment Asbj=F8rn Nordam=20
Whether it's ALD in the DC area or July 4th in Atlanta, my experience is
that
it has been extremely difficult to get our compatriots involved in
anything
other than partying and playing/watching soccer. Talk about educational
advancement, political developments, economic self-sufficiency, etc. and
the
crowds will be nowhere to be found. Let me know if your experience has
been different! Amadou Scattred-Janneh
.....somewhere in the mountains of Tennessee!
Amadou, No, my experience has not been different concerning this very
subject. Armchair politics and endless criticisms will not get us
anywhere as a people or as a nation. That is why l say if we cannot get
down to the nitty gritty of actually implementing things, we might as
well forget it. Best regards to you and your family. Jabou.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 15:35:52 +0100
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Subject: No subject was specified.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:38:34 +2000
From: mmjeng@image.dk
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Gambian Delegation In Ghana
Message-ID: <199705071249.OAA02167@ns.image.dk>
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Gambian Delegation In Ghana
May 7, 1997
ACCRA, Ghana (PANA) - A two-man Gambian delegation led by the Minister
of Agriculture, Musa Saihou Mbenga, delivered a special message from
President Yahaya Jammeh to President Jerry Rawlings, in connection
with the forthcoming summit of countries which border the Sahara.
The message was received by Vice President John Evans Atta Mills at
the Castle, Osu, on behalf of President Rawlings who is currently out
of the country.
They held discussions on havoc caused by desertification and control
measures within sub-saharan Africa.
Mbenga said in an interview that he was in Accra partly to seek
support for the next summit of the Frontline States bordering the
Sahara which is slated for Banjul in September this year.
The summit, which is held every three years, focuses on pressing
economic, social and environmental problems in socio-economic the
sub-region.
Countries constituting the frontline states are Chad, Gambia,
Mauritania, Senegal, Burkina Faso, Niger and Mali.
Greetings.
Matarr M. Jeng
Copyright =A9 1997 Panafrican News Agency. All Rights Reserved.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:11:50 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Gambian Delegation In Ghana
Message-ID: <199705071406.XAA00104@mlsv.iuj.ac.jp>
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Gambia-l
Would someone help me understand this message. Apparently, Ghana is
not one of the so-called frontline states affected by the intrusion
of the Sahara. I am not saying that Ghana should keep its fingers
crossed while the Sahara consumes neighbouring countries, but what
support are we seeking from them? To organise the meeting?
Lamin Drammeh.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:37:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>, ;
Subject: Re: Test
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Gambia-l, as already explained by Abdou, we have been experiencing
technical difficulties since Tuesday night ( Pacific time ) May 5th. That
seemed to have been the reason why the list was not functional during the
last few days. Some of you might have received rejection notices of your
postings and probably also a statement indicating that you have been
unsubscribed and not a member of Gambia-l. When things get back to normal,
you can resubmit your postings.
I have a feeling that the problem is almost solved. I received a
complete directory of the list along with the email addresses when I
reviewed it prior to posting this message, something that was lacking
during the last two days. Please respond to this message through the list
to ensure that things are back to normal. Abdou, our technical manager has
been diligently working on the problem while I have informed our UW
computer people about it.
Many thanks to Abdou and for also your patience.
Thanks
Tony
========================================================================
Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
=========================================================================
On Wed, 7 May 1997, ABDOU wrote:
> Hi folks,
> We are presently experiencing problems with the list server. The
> problem is that a program is locking the file that the server uses to
> determine membership in gambia-l. So this seems to be an interim
> solution.
> I know many of you have had your messages sent back, so please
> resend your messages (if you cannot do so, let me know and I will send
> the rejected copy). If the problem persists, please be patient.
> We should also stop subscribing new members until when this
> problem has been solved in its entirety (hopefully by tomorrow).
> Thanks and bye for now,
> -Abdou.
> *******************************************************************************
> A.TOURAY
> Computer Science
> Columbia University
> New York, NY 10027
>
> MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
>
> A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
> SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
> I WANDER AND I WONDER.
> ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
> *******************************************************************************
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:57:36 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Test
Message-ID: <199705071551.AAA01232@mlsv.iuj.ac.jp>
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Thanks to Tony and Abdou for their endurance and much needed
sacrifices.
Lamin.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:57:47 +0100 (BST)
From: "M. Njie" <mn015@students.stir.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Test
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Hello there,
Everything is back to normal now. Thanks for your efforts;
it must have been a terrible time for you. Best wishes.
Pa Modou
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Test
Message-ID: <970507121446_-1533814967@emout03.mail.aol.com>
Touray,
Message got through.
Jabou
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:39:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: Zaireans panic after Mobutu's palace is looted
Message-ID: <970507123940_-1868792133@emout13.mail.aol.com>
Latir,
Thanks for the news on Mobutu and Zaire. What a sad state of affairs we have
here.Another son of Africa who has looted and pillaged his own people, much
in the same way that his soldiers are doing now, and then running out of the
country to go and revel in the blood money he amassed in foreign banks.
Running like a dog with his tail between his legs. And what was his purpose
for stepping up to lead his people again?
Jabou.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 09:48:39 PDT
From: "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: INTRODUCING MYSELF TO THIS FORUM.
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NOW THAT MY IDENTITY IS ESTABLISHED, I AM READY TO SUBMIT MY
>CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS WORTHY FORUM.
>BUT FIRST,MY ALMA MATA IS SAINT AUGUSTINE'S HIGH FROM WHICH I
>GRADUATED IN JUNE 1991. I WENT BACK FOR MY A' LEVELS BUT WAS NOT
>AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO GRADUATE IN '93. I ALSO ATTENTED YUNDUM PRIMARY
>SCHOOL (WHERE I WAS KNOWN AS BAIMUNDOW) AND SAINT PETER'S PRIMARY (IN
>LAMIN).
> I AM A 25YR. YOUNG GAMBIAN AT KENTUCKY STATE UNIVERSITY. I AM IN
>THE MIDDLE OF FINALS OF MY SOPHOMORE YR. AS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE
MAJOR.
>I AM SCHEDULED TO GRADUATE IN MAY OF '99 (2 MORE YRS.!!!!!) MAY
>GOD KEEP US ALL ALIVE LONG ENOUGH TO WITNESS IT IN JAMMA.
>I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT GAMBIA-L SINCE IT GETS A LITTLE LONELY OUT
>HERE SOMETIMES (EVEN WITH 5 OTHER GAMBIAN SISTERS HERE, I AM THE
>ONLY MALE NOW). I MISS TALKING TO GAMBIANS, I MISS BEING GAMBIAN,
>AND I MISS THE BENA-CHINS , MBAHALS , DOMODAS , AND CHU'S. THE ONLY
>TIME I REALLY GET STUFF LIKE THAT IS ON OUR INTERNATIONAL DAY, THE
>RARE OCCASSIONS THAT THE SISTERS HERE TAKE TIME OUT FROM STUDIES TO
>COOK, AND WHEN I GO OUT OF STATE TO VISIT OTHER GAMBIANS. I AM
ALSO
>NOT A PHONE PERSON OR A LETTER-WRITING PERSON, SO IT BECAME VERY
>DIFFICULT FOR ME TO MAINTAIN ALL MY NATIVE CONTACTS. I AM HOPING TO
>RE-ESTABLISH CONTACT WITH OLD FRIENDS LIKE DOCS' MARENA, LAMIN
DRAMMEH,
>AND A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE.
>I HAVE READ SOME USEFUL, ENTERTAINING, INFORMATIVE , AND OR MEANINGFUL
>DISCUSSIONS AND CONTRIBUTIONS HERE. FROM NEWS TO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE
>ALD, FROM POLYGAMY TO APATHY OF THE POLITICAL SITUATION AT HOME,
FROM
>ECONOMIC CONCERNS TO EDUCATIONAL MATTERS. SOME INTERESTING, SOME VAIN,
>SOME AMBIGIOUS AND SOME VERY FOCUSED. BUT I AM STILL GLAD TO SEE
THEM
>ALL.
>THERE ARE SO MANY GAMBIANS OUT HERE AND IN EUROPE, I JUST HOPE THAT
>NONE OF US ABANDONS OUR MOTHERLAND. I MYSELF HAVEN'T BEEN BACK
SINCE
>I GOT HERE, AND HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PLANS OF GOING BACK BEFORE I
>GRADUATE. I HOWEVER, HOPE TO (I AM GOING TO) BE MORE INVOLVED WITH
>THINGS CONCERNING THE GAMBIA BOTH HERE AND BACK THERE. I JUST HAVE
TO
>ESTABLISH MY FINANCIAL AND EDUCATIONAL SECURITY AND GET MYSELF IN
GOOD
>ENOUGH SHAPE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT MYSELF BEFORE I CAN BE OF MUCH
>USE ANYBODYELSE.. I WILL DO WHAT I CAN UNTILL THEN, EVEN IF NOT
>MUCH. I AM PLANNING TO ATTEND THE ALD AND OR THE 4TH OF JULY IN
>ATLANTA. I AM NOT ONE TO SHY AWAY FROM CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE OR
>DISCUSSION AND I WILL GLADLY BE INVOLVED WHEN I SEE IT WORTH MY
>WHILE. MAKE NO MISTAKE HOWEVER, TO SEE SO MANY OF MY COUNTRY MEN
AND
>LADIES TOGETHER WOULD BE A SPECIAL JOY TO ME, TO SEE PEOPLE I
>HAVEN'T SEEN IN YEARS AND RENEW RELATIONSHIPS. I SHALL BE LOKING
>FORWARD TO PARTYING AND HAVING A FELLOWSHIP GOOD TIME, AND A
>GAMBIANLY-RIGOUROUS FOOTBALL GAME. I MISS THE GOOD GAMBIAN LIFE NOW
>THAT I HAVE LIVED SO MUCH OF THIS "WESTERN CIVILISATION".
>THIS SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR NOW AND I WLL E LOOKING FORWARD TO
>CONTRIBUTING IN THE ISSUES THAT CONCERN US ALL.
>
> A GAMBIAN In HILL-BILLY LAND, NJAGA JAGNE.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:55:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: just a thought (fwd)
Message-ID: <970507125544_-830593347@emout20.mail.aol.com>
Abdou,
Partying and then discussing other things in the process is fine, but l think
the problem being addressed here is that it seems besides the partying, all
else that is accomplished is just that and endless discussion without any
real action. Nothing will ever be accomplished without real action.
Jabou
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:06:27 -0400
From: ndeye marie njie <njie.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ndeye.marie.njie@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: JObs Africa (fwd)
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Please e-mail fanjie@gsu.edu for more info, on the information provided below:
>Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 19:47:28 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Fatou N'Jie" <gs01fnn@panther.Gsu.EDU>
>Subject: JObs Africa
>To: "N'Deye Marie N'Jie" <njie.1@osu.edu>
>
>
>I found this website for overseas jobs and came across this address for
>jobs in africa. http://africa.cis.co.za:81/jobs/jobs.html. It is
>advertising for jobs in South Africa. Can you post the address to the
>Gambia list as well as my web page. They can go into Favorite Sites and
>under jobs, go to International jobs - Africa. They can also email me for
>more info.
>
>********************************************
>* Fatou N'Jie *
>* Decision Sciences Department *
>* Georgia State University *
>* *
>* Email: fanjie@gsu.edu *
>* http://www.gsu.edu/~gs01fnn *
>********************************************
>
>
>
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N'Deye Marie N'Jie
Graduate Research Associate
The Ohio State University
260 Agricultural Engineering Bldg
590 Woody Hayes Drive
Columbus, OH 43210
Fax: (614)292-9448
Phone: (614) 688-3445 (W)
E-mail: njie.1@osu.edu
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:10:20 -0400
From: ndeye marie njie <njie.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ndeye.marie.njie@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: More Job opportunities in Africa (fwd)
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>
>
>OPPORTUNITIES IN AFRICA:
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>EMPLOYMENT:
>
>- AMERICAN FRIENDS SERVICE COMMITTEE. Emphasizes African participation and
>self-determination in its development and international affairs work. Normal
>overseas placement is for two years. Contact: American Friends Service
>Committee, 1501 Cherry Street, Philadelphia, PA 19102 (215) 241-7000.
>
>- AMERICAN PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATION (APHA)- International Health Programs.
>International consultation and technical assistance services. Provides
>placement services for health professionals. Contact: APHA International
>Health Programs 1015 15th Street, NW Washington, D.C. 20005 (202) 789-5600.
>
>- CARE. Contact: International Employment- CARE 660 First Ave. New York, NY
>10016 Fax (212) 532-6162.
>
>- CENTER FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT & ENVIRONMENT. Contact: Director,
>CIDE World Resources Institute, 1709 New York Ave., NW, Suite 700
>Washington, D.C. 20006 (202) 662-2532.
>
>- FORD FOUNDATION. Position in Sudan - Arabic fluency Position in NY -
>French fluency (backstopping African programs) Position in Nairobi, Kenya
>(program officer in Human Rights and Social Justice Africa and Middle East
>Programs). Contact: Ford Foundation 320 East 43rd Street, New York, NY
>10017.
>
>- INSTITUTE FOR TRANSPORTATION AND DEVELOPMENT POLICY. Contact: ITDP 1787
>Columbia Road, NW Washington, DC 20009 (202) 387-1434.
>
>- INTERNATIONAL FOOD POLICY RESEARCH INSTITUTE. Contact: IFPRI, 1776
>Massachusetts Ave., NW Washington, DC 20036 (202) 862-5600.
>
>- INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL CORPS. International health care organization with
>operations in Angola, Somalia and other African countries has international
>positions for health professionals. Contact: International Medical Corps
>5933 West Century Blvd., Suite 310 Los Angeles, CA 90045 (213) 670-0800.
>
>- MENNONITE CENTRAL COMMITTEE. Openings for individuals skilled in
>agriculture, health, education, social services, peace/justice concerns and
>economic and technical services. Current listings appear bimonthly in the
>Service Opportunities Listing. Contact: Mennonite Central Committee 21 South
>12th Street, Box M Akron, PA 17501 (717) 859-1151.
>
>- MIDWEST OVERSEAS RECRUITING FAIR. Algeria, Botswana, Burkina Faso,
>Cameroon, Egypt, Ethiopia, Gabon, Gambia, Kenya, Liberia, Madagascar, Mali,
>Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, South Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Togo, Tunisia,
>Zaire, Zambia. Contact: Overseas Placement Service for Educators, University
>of Northern Iowa, Cedar Falls, IA FAX (319) 263-6998.
>
>- THE NATIONAL COOPERATIVE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. MBA's fluent in French or
>Portuguese for positions in Africa. Contact: NCBA, 1401 New York Ave, NW,
>Suite 110 Washington, DC 20005.
>
>- THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES IN THE U.S.A. Several offices of the NCC
>provide information on overseas work in salaried or volunteer positions.
>Contact: The National Council of Churches in the U.S.A. Attn.: Overseas
>Personnel Director 475 Riverside Drive New York, NY 10115 (212) 870-2511.
>
>- NATIONAL RESOURCE COUNCIL/NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE. Research Associate-
>develop workshops on issues of democratization in Africa. Requirements: MA
>or MS, written and oral communication skills, administrative experience.
>Contact: Commission on Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education,
>National Resource Council, 2101 Constitution Ave., NW HA 184 Washington,
>D.C. 20418.
>
>- NATIONAL RESOURCE COUNCIL/NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE. Senior Research
>Associate- research & planning for workshops, reports MS or MA social
>sciences, 6 yrs. relevant experience, communication skills, administrative
>ability, experience in Africa, French. Contact: Commission on Behavioral and
>Social Sciences and Education National Resource Council 2101 Constitution
>Ave., NW HA 184 Washington, DC 20418.
>
>- NEW TRANSCENTURY FOUNDATION. Recruits for A.I.D. and African
>government-funded positions in universities and ministries. Publishes JOB
>(The Job Opportunities Bulletin). Projects administered by private American
>organizations. Contact: New Transcentury Foundation 1724 Kalorama Road, NW
>Washington, D.C. 20009 (202) 328-4400.
>
>- OXFAM AMERICA. Positions West and Southern Africa. Contact: Oxfam-America,
>Recruitment Committee-SAFR or WAFR, 115 Broadway, Boston, MA 02116 (617)
>482-1211.
>
>- PROJECT CONCERN'S OPTION SERVICE. A nonprofit personnel service for health
>care professionals. Short and long-term overseas positions are available.
>Contact: Project Concern's Option Service 3550 Afton Road San Diego, CA
>92123 (619) 279-9690.
>
>- SOCIAL SCIENCE RESEARCH COUNCIL- AFRICA PROGRAM. Program Associateships
>and Fellowships in African Studies. Contact: Africa Program, Social Science
>Research Council, 604 Third Ave., New York, NY 10158 (212) 661-0280.
>
>- TECHNOSERVE, INC. A technical assistance organization that works to
>establish self-help enterprises for low-income populations of developing
>countries, including Ghana, Kenya, Rwanda, Sudan, Zaire, Tanzania and
>Nigeria. Contact: TechnoServe, Inc. 148 East Ave. Norwalk, CT 06851 (203)
>852-0377.
>
>- UNITED NATIONS. Will send a list of U.N. specialized agencies. Requests
>for employment should be made to the agency directly. Contact: United
>Nations, General Recruitment Section 1 United Nations Plaza New York, NY
>10017 (212) 963-8876.
>
>- USAID INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT INTERN PROGRAM. This is USAID's
>entry-level program. Candidates must have a BA degree and, in many fields, a
>graduate degree; and at least two years of related professional experience.
>The program is for those who seek to pursue a career as a Foreign Service
>Officer and is therefore highly competitive and selective. Contact: USAID
>International Development Intern Program, AID Recruitment Division, Room
>242, SA-1 2401 E Street, NW Washington, D.C. 30523-0114.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Editor: sisskind@sas.upenn.edu
>
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N'Deye Marie N'Jie
Graduate Research Associate
The Ohio State University
260 Agricultural Engineering Bldg
590 Woody Hayes Drive
Columbus, OH 43210
Fax: (614)292-9448
Phone: (614) 688-3445 (W)
E-mail: njie.1@osu.edu
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debbie Proctor <proctord@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Test
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Message received
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Debbie Proctor, Administrator U of W Conference Housing
(206) 543-8443 McCarty Hall, Box 354471
(206) 543-4094 Seattle, Wa. 98l95
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Wed, 7 May 1997, A. Loum wrote:
>
> Gambia-l, as already explained by Abdou, we have been experiencing
> technical difficulties since Tuesday night ( Pacific time ) May 5th. That
> seemed to have been the reason why the list was not functional during the
> last few days. Some of you might have received rejection notices of your
> postings and probably also a statement indicating that you have been
> unsubscribed and not a member of Gambia-l. When things get back to normal,
> you can resubmit your postings.
> I have a feeling that the problem is almost solved. I received a
> complete directory of the list along with the email addresses when I
> reviewed it prior to posting this message, something that was lacking
> during the last two days. Please respond to this message through the list
> to ensure that things are back to normal. Abdou, our technical manager has
> been diligently working on the problem while I have informed our UW
> computer people about it.
> Many thanks to Abdou and for also your patience.
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> ========================================================================
>
> Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
> Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
> 100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
> University of Washington
> Box 353200
> Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
>
> =========================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 May 1997, ABDOU wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> > We are presently experiencing problems with the list server. The
> > problem is that a program is locking the file that the server uses to
> > determine membership in gambia-l. So this seems to be an interim
> > solution.
> > I know many of you have had your messages sent back, so please
> > resend your messages (if you cannot do so, let me know and I will send
> > the rejected copy). If the problem persists, please be patient.
> > We should also stop subscribing new members until when this
> > problem has been solved in its entirety (hopefully by tomorrow).
> > Thanks and bye for now,
> > -Abdou.
> > *******************************************************************************
> > A.TOURAY
> > Computer Science
> > Columbia University
> > New York, NY 10027
> >
> > MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
> >
> > A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
> > SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
> > I WANDER AND I WONDER.
> > ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
> > *******************************************************************************
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: 07 May 1997 19:30:10 +0200
From: "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.telemax.no>
To: "Gambia-L -Internet... ." <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu> (Return requested)
Subject: Re: Test
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Thanks to Abdou, Tony and the managers for your excellent work.
Alhagi
________________________________________________________
Tony wrote:
Gambia-l, as already explained by Abdou, we have been experiencing
technical difficulties since Tuesday night ( Pacific time ) May 5th. That
seemed to have been the reason why the list was not functional during the
last few days. Some of you might have received rejection notices of your
postings and probably also a statement indicating that you have been
unsubscribed and not a member of Gambia-l. When things get back to normal,
you can resubmit your postings.
I have a feeling that the problem is almost solved. I received a
complete directory of the list along with the email addresses when I
reviewed it prior to posting this message, something that was lacking
during the last two days. Please respond to this message through the list
to ensure that things are back to normal. Abdou, our technical manager has
been diligently working on the problem while I have informed our UW
computer people about it.
Many thanks to Abdou and for also your patience.
Thanks
Tony
========================================================================
Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
=========================================================================
On Wed, 7 May 1997, ABDOU wrote:
> Hi folks,
> We are presently experiencing problems with the list server. The
> problem is that a program is locking the file that the server uses to
> determine membership in gambia-l. So this seems to be an interim
> solution.
> I know many of you have had your messages sent back, so please
> resend your messages (if you cannot do so, let me know and I will send
> the rejected copy). If the problem persists, please be patient.
> We should also stop subscribing new members until when this
> problem has been solved in its entirety (hopefully by tomorrow).
> Thanks and bye for now,
> -Abdou.
>
***************************************************************************
****
> A.TOURAY
> Computer Science
> Columbia University
> New York, NY 10027
>
> MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
>
> A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
> SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
> I WANDER AND I WONDER.
> ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
>
***************************************************************************
****
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 12:46:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Ousman Gajigo <gajigoo@wabash.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: (Fwd) New Book on Niumi History
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 09:17:56 -0400
From: Andy Lyons <alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu>
Subject: New Book on Niumi History
To: gajigoo@WABASH.EDU
Ousman,
Please forward this to the Gambia-L list. Thanks.
=================================================
For those who haven't already seen this, there is a book that has recently
come out about the history of Niumi. It's quite interesting:
The world and a very small place in Africa, by Donald R. Wright. Sources and
Studies in World History. M.E. Sharpe, Armonk, New York. 1997.
>From the back cover: "This fascinating work shows how global events and
world systems have affected people's lives for the past eight centuries in
Niumi, a small area at the mouth of the Gambia River in West Africa.
Trans-Saharan trade, European expansion, the rise of an Atlantic plantation
complex, inperialism, colonialism, political independence, and economic
dependence are among the global phenomena that have influenced the everyday
lives of the inhabitants of this tiny region. Drawing on archival and oral
traditions and writing in a clear and personal style, the author connects
world history with real people, on a local level."
Andy Lyons
The Gambia Resource Page
http://grove.ufl.edu/~alyons
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Morris Hall 107
Crawfordsville, IN 47933
(phone): 765 361 7096
Fax: 765 361 6295
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:12:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Air Afrique (fwd)
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 16:59:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: tloum@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Air Afrique
Tony,
I have had luggage left behind everytime l have taken an Air Afrique flight.
Both l and one other person l know have had a piece of luggage slashed open
with a knife and items removed. l have heard the same story from almost
everyone l know who has flown with them. l do not fly with this airline
anymore, and prefer to go with Swiss Air even though their fares are higher.
l have taken Sabena in the past, but have not done so anymore either since
both my sister and l have lost luggage on their flights as well. The ground
personnel at Dakar were rude to me as well as other customers , especially
the last time l had the unfortunate occasion to fly wiht Air Afrique. In
1991, Michigan State flew my family and l into Dakar on this airline and we
lost three large boxes full of personal items and supplies , including some
very valuable items that we had brought with us for our stay in Senegal. We
never saw these items again and of course never got any cooperation from
their personnel.l got tired of being given the run around everytime l went to
their offices, and just decided to let it go.
Jabou
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:23:09 PDT
From: "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
To: O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk
Cc: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: MY DEAR OMAR... WHAT A SMALL WORLD THIS IS INDEED.!!!
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HI OMAR.
WHERE DO I START??.WELL MAY BE IT WOULD BE PROPER TO TELL U THAT I
THINK I KNOW U, AND THAT WE MIGHT BE A BIT RELATED....SEE NOT ONLY
WERE U MY SENIOR AT SAINTS', BUT U ARE ALSO THE SON OF MY "UNCLE"
FAFA M'BAI. <I THINK>.. HE HAD TOLD ME JUST BEFORE I LEFT THE
GAMBIA TO COME TO THE U.S. THAT U AND YOUR BROTHER ARE IN U.K.
YOUR DAD IS A GREAT MAN.. HE IS ONE OF MY FEW HEROES AND AN
ADEQUATE AND WORTHY ROLE MODEL.....I HAVEN'T WRITTEN OR TALKED TO HIM
SINCE I CAME HERE AND PLEASE SEND ME HIS E-MAIL ADDRESS IF U HAVE
IT SO I CAN THANK HIM....SEEEE.!!
WHAT A SMALL WORLD THIS IS INDEED.IF U GET IN TOUCH WITH YOUR DAD,
TELL HIM I AM THE SON OF YASIN JOBE AND ALH. MAMURR JAGNE..HE WILL
REMEMBER....
NOW
THAKNS FOR MAKING ME SALIVATE. ARE U GONNA COME TO THE ALD..ETC??
I HEARD THERE ARE LOTS OF GAMBIANS IN LONDON (BRITAIN). I GUESS U
ALL SEE EACH OTHER AND FEAST OF BENACHINS.. WELL THE U.S. IS SO
LARGE AND SPREAD THAT ONLY CHANCE MEETINGS OR ARRANGED ONES CAN GET
GAMBIANS TOGETHER....EVERYBODY IS BUSY TOO.SCHOOL. BUSINES. WORK..
,,ETC..>>>>>>>OMAR, I LIKE THE TOPIC THAT U PRESENTED ME WITH...I GOT
SO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT IT.. IT WOULD HOWEVER, BE ONLY MY "EDUCATED"
OPINION IF I SAY SOMETHING NOW.. I WOULD HAVE TO DELVE INTO SOME
MATERIALS TO PROVIDE U WITH THE NECCESSARY AND USEFUL FACTS . AND WHAT
THE EXPERTS ON IT HAVE TO SAY... I WILL POST IT TO U AS SOON AS I
GET IT TOGETHER....I MIGHT HAVE TO DO IT IN MULTIPLE POSTINGS B'CVOS
I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF FINALS...
I BE LOOKING FORWARD TO TALKING TO YOU....WHAT A SMALL WORLD IT IS
INDEED.. ALL THIS TIME AND WE HAVE TO GET ACQUINTED THIS WAY...
ENDU LEEN AK JAMMA..PEACE-OUT..>>>NJAGA JAGNE...
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 21:55:47 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or indifference?
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Dear Ms. Darboe,
I will grant your request, and start the discussion on Gambian politics.
Was it not evident to all parties contesting the elections last year that
the constitution was tailor made for the AFPRC/APRC. Without wanting to
repeat anything that has already been discussed (I only joined in March),
why did the opposition parties not boycott the elections. After the
presidential elections, if I can recall correctly, the leader of one the
opposition parties claimed on BBC Focus On Africa that he had evidence of
fraud in the elections. To this day, as far as I know, that evidence has
never been furnished. Is this apathy or indifference. One would expect
that evidence to be given as proof to the international community.
Apparently, the main topic in The Gambian Parliament these days is the pay
that MPs should get. I guess the MPs are concerned about their monthly
salaries than the welfare of their constituents. Of course it can be
argued that there is nothing wrong with increasing one's own welfare
first.
Pa Sallah Jagne has recently been released and appointed as commissioner
of WD. Apparently he has been given his full pay since July 1994, when he
was detained. There were charges of corruption brought against him at the
time. Have these charges been dropped? If not, is not strange that a man
discredited by the current government, imprisoned, and allegedly tortured,
should be made a commissioner by them. Is Mr Jagne to be accused of
apathy, or indiffernce?
Yours humbly,
Ebrima Jawara.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 20:29:56 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or indifference?
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Ebrima Jawara wrote:
> why did the opposition parties not boycott the elections. After the
> presidential elections, if I can recall correctly, the leader of one the
> opposition parties claimed on BBC Focus On Africa that he had evidence of
> fraud in the elections. To this day, as far as I know, that evidence has
> never been furnished. Is this apathy or indifference. One would expect
> that evidence to be given as proof to the international community.
This could be apathy or indifference on the part of the parties who made
the allegations. It could also be unsubstantiated. The important fact
is that I believe the President has been openly recognized by all
parties so that would indicate that the results of the election were
accepted at the end.
> Apparently, the main topic in The Gambian Parliament these days is the pay
> that MPs should get. I guess the MPs are concerned about their monthly
> salaries than the welfare of their constituents. Of course it can be
> argued that there is nothing wrong with increasing one's own welfare
> first.
I would disagree there. I think it is important that the members of the
Assembly are properly remunerated from the beginning to help prevent
more cases of corruption down the line. For too long, our
parliamentarians have been marginalized in the democratic process that
is supposed to exist. The new constitution, as flawed as it may be,
does provide a greater role for this parliament then before. Apart from
the mandated overseeing committees, the Assembly must also be in session
for a minimum of 150 days a year. That's almost half a year. If we
expect them to maintain proper, effective offices and make a presence in
their constituencies they need to have the cash. We must remember that
the parliament is a new one and we should expect that establishing
matters like this will probably take up most of their time. Hopefully
once these matters are out of the way they can get on to more pressing
issues.
> Pa Sallah Jagne has recently been released and appointed as commissioner
> of WD. Apparently he has been given his full pay since July 1994, when he
> was detained. There were charges of corruption brought against him at the
> time. Have these charges been dropped? If not, is not strange that a man
> discredited by the current government, imprisoned, and allegedly tortured,
> should be made a commissioner by them. Is Mr Jagne to be accused of
> apathy, or indiffernce?
This is a very good question and I suppose that there can be many
reasons, mostly political, why such an appointment could, one, be made
by the same government that imprisoned him, and two, accepted by Mr.
Jagne. I think this is a matter where both the press and the
politicians need to push the government to come out on.
Personally, I think Mr. Jagne was wrongly imprisoned so perhaps like me,
he may see this as a vindication of sorts but he obviously has his
reasons. As far as the government is concerned, this is probably an
appointment of security. I believe they detained him throughout the
transition period because they felt threatened by him and the
appointment follows the same line. Keep him as far away as possible so
he doesn't stir trouble.
These are all interesting issues that I think we should all stop and
think about.
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 21:03:40 -0400
From: LatJor Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: ALD
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>From LatJor Ndow
Greetings to all:
By way of rejoining the 'bantaba', I want to say that I agree with views
represented both by Amadou Janneh and Soffie Ceesay regarding the ALD
(and July 4) issues. Amadou's view (backed by past experiences) that
sports and parties have always overshadowed conferences held during
these events is quite true. Others on his side have even ventured to say
that it is a waste of time. This has been an ongoing problem which
organizers of these events (myself included) have been battling with for
quite some time.
Ya Soffie however points out that the conferences have however had a
positive impact on those few who have attended. They certainly are not
geared to just political debates as some would believe. The previous
African Liberation Day (ALD) weekend the she mentioned is an excellent
example. This discussions ranged from historical (Dr. Nyang) to
Economics (Dr. Sallah) to Science & Technology (LatJor) to yes,
political issues (All). All the topics focused on Gambia and the
gambian. As Ya Soffie mentioned the conference lasted for more than 5
hours.
What was accomplished? Perhaps I should answer this in a two-fold
manner. Individually we all benefitted. It was an educational experience
that gambians rarely shared with each other. I learnt a great deal and
everyone who attended expressed the same sentiment. Collectively, well,
this is where we as gambians have shortcomings in especially when the
task(s) at hand require us to work as a group. (Perhaps Gambia-l is a
marker of the transformation occurring in the gambian personality.) We
failed to galvanise ourselves into a cohesive group which could act as
an agent for progress within our communities and The Gambia.
The information shared at that conference (as well as others) was never
disseminated to the best of my recollection. Though it was recorded on
tape, nothing came of it (someone please correct me if I am wrong). I do
not recall reading about it in the 'Jaliba', the Washington-based
gambian paper nor was it posted on this forum as I had requested. Please
note that while I am focusing on the past ALD, other ALDs and July
Reunions suffered the same fate. I only focus on this past one because
another ALD is going to take place in about 2 weeks. An other conference
is also being planned, I am told.
I for one would like to see the organizers of this ALD conference place
on the agenda the topic of 'how we can take ideas and information and
translate them into action' (or something along those lines).
Finally on a positive note, Gambia-l received a tremendous boost
following the ALD weekend. I was able to disseminate hundreds of flyers
at the conference, park and dance hall, announcing the creation of
GAMBIA-L. The veterans on this list like Tony, Amadou and Lamin (of
Japan) will recall this. Today, not only has Gambia-l gone to higher
heights, but it has helped establish other groups all dedicated to
working for the betterment of out dear beloved motherland. So to those
who choose the easy route of throwing in the towel and say ALDs, July
Reunions, etc., are a waste of time, I say no don't give up. Come,
participate and insist on continuity.
In peace,
LatJor
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "D. Singhateh" <dawdas@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: ALD
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'Kay LatJor Ndow,
I applaud your positive message you posted on the list. I
hope we can all emulate your style and passion you have for The Gambia.
However, I think there is still a lot to be done, fittingly as Sir Isaac
Newton rightly put it (slightly changed to serve the purpose here, "we are
just like small children playing on the seashore trying to distinguish
pebbles when a sea of problems lies before us yet to be solved"). Hence I
encourage you to tightened your belt to the last hole possible and
exercise any influence you may have over ADL organizing committee so that
we can have many brothers and sisters involved in worthy causes.
thanx every one for your time
Dawda Singhateh
On Wed, 7 May 1997, LatJor Ndow wrote:
> >From LatJor Ndow
>
> Greetings to all:
>
> By way of rejoining the 'bantaba', I want to say that I agree with views
> represented both by Amadou Janneh and Soffie Ceesay regarding the ALD
> (and July 4) issues. Amadou's view (backed by past experiences) that
> sports and parties have always overshadowed conferences held during
> these events is quite true. Others on his side have even ventured to say
> that it is a waste of time. This has been an ongoing problem which
> organizers of these events (myself included) have been battling with for
> quite some time.
>
> Ya Soffie however points out that the conferences have however had a
> positive impact on those few who have attended. They certainly are not
> geared to just political debates as some would believe. The previous
> African Liberation Day (ALD) weekend the she mentioned is an excellent
> example. This discussions ranged from historical (Dr. Nyang) to
> Economics (Dr. Sallah) to Science & Technology (LatJor) to yes,
> political issues (All). All the topics focused on Gambia and the
> gambian. As Ya Soffie mentioned the conference lasted for more than 5
> hours.
>
> What was accomplished? Perhaps I should answer this in a two-fold
> manner. Individually we all benefitted. It was an educational experience
> that gambians rarely shared with each other. I learnt a great deal and
> everyone who attended expressed the same sentiment. Collectively, well,
> this is where we as gambians have shortcomings in especially when the
> task(s) at hand require us to work as a group. (Perhaps Gambia-l is a
> marker of the transformation occurring in the gambian personality.) We
> failed to galvanise ourselves into a cohesive group which could act as
> an agent for progress within our communities and The Gambia.
>
> The information shared at that conference (as well as others) was never
> disseminated to the best of my recollection. Though it was recorded on
> tape, nothing came of it (someone please correct me if I am wrong). I do
> not recall reading about it in the 'Jaliba', the Washington-based
> gambian paper nor was it posted on this forum as I had requested. Please
> note that while I am focusing on the past ALD, other ALDs and July
> Reunions suffered the same fate.. I only focus on this past one because
> another ALD is going to take place in about 2 weeks. An other conference
> is also being planned, I am told.
>
> I for one would like to see the organizers of this ALD conference place
> on the agenda the topic of 'how we can take ideas and information and
> translate them into action' (or something along those lines).
>
> Finally on a positive note, Gambia-l received a tremendous boost
> following the ALD weekend. I was able to disseminate hundreds of flyers
> at the conference, park and dance hall, announcing the creation of
> GAMBIA-L. The veterans on this list like Tony, Amadou and Lamin (of
> Japan) will recall this. Today, not only has Gambia-l gone to higher
> heights, but it has helped establish other groups all dedicated to
> working for the betterment of out dear beloved motherland. So to those
> who choose the easy route of throwing in the towel and say ALDs, July
> Reunions, etc., are a waste of time, I say no don't give up. Come,
> participate and insist on continuity.
>
> In peace,
> LatJor
>
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 23:38:54 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: ALD
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LatJor Ndow wrote:
> What was accomplished? Perhaps I should answer this in a two-fold
> manner. Individually we all benefitted. It was an educational experience
> that gambians rarely shared with each other. I learnt a great deal and
> everyone who attended expressed the same sentiment. Collectively, well,
> this is where we as gambians have shortcomings in especially when the
> task(s) at hand require us to work as a group. (Perhaps Gambia-l is a
> marker of the transformation occurring in the gambian personality.) We
> failed to galvanise ourselves into a cohesive group which could act as
> an agent for progress within our communities and The Gambia.
The question about what is accomplished by these discussions, debates or
forums (fora?), is an interesting one. I know there are some who would
like to see them result in something positive like a common or
collective resolution that could then be passed on to appropriate
authorities. This would be quite an accomplishment but I do not think
it should be the goal. I think what is most important is that we try to
get a variety of responses on issues from participants that in turn
allows us to explore our own views further. As Latjor states here, if
anything we get the opportunity to learn.
Peace.
Lat
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 14:18:31 +0100
From: bdukuray@login.eunet.no
To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Zairian
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Zaire: Ten volunteers of the Zairian Red Cross killed in Kenge
Geneva (ICRC) - The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) was
deeply shocked to learn of the death of 10
first-aid workers of the Red Cross Society of the Republic of Zaire,
killed some hours ago in Kenge, a town 200 km east of
Kinshasa. According to information received by the ICRC delegation in
the Zairian capital, the tragedy occurred as the
volunteers were assisting people wounded in the fighting which had been
raging in Kenge. Some 200 civilians were
reportedly killed in the clashes, and 126 wounded have been admitted to
hospital, 25 of them in critical condition.
The ICRC calls on the belligerents to respect all persons not taking
part in the fighting, in particular civilians, prisoners and
the wounded, and also the staff and buildings placed under the
protection of the Red Cross emblem. ICRC delegates and
Zairian Red Cross personnel will attempt to reach Kenge in the coming
hours to provide medical assistance to the hospital.
Bahary
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:07:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Test
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Hello everyone,
Haven't checked my e-mail in a while hence didn't even know there was a
problem! But I'ld just like to thank Abdou and Tony for the sacrifices made.
Thanks guys.
Ancha.
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:21:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: African AIDS Guinea pigs? (fwd)
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It's not a new subject, but it's one thatt never ceases to amaze and
anger me. Kinda like when they (Westerners) pay an ***** in one of the
African countries ( esp. Nigeria) inorder to dump Radioactive waste in
the country. This is another topic but briefly, a conference was held ( I
don't know the dettails) in which the Nigerian government was asked to
not spill the waste into the Atlantic Ocean or some other body of water.
The waste would have of course greatly affected water as a whole in Africa.
They ( Nigerians) probably don't care abou that as long as they get most
of it out of their country. There were rumors that the container in which
tthe waste originally came with is leaking. WHAT A MESS!!!
(BOSTON GLOBE)
US science's cruelty overseas
By Robert Kuttner, 04/27/97
Thanks to the Public Citizen Health
Research Group, it recently came to light
that US medical researchers are still using
Third World populations as human guinea
pigs, with ethical standards that are
unacceptable in the United States.
The studies, on some 12,000 HIV-positive
pregnant women in the Ivory Coast, Uganda,
Tanzania, Zimbabwe, and other African
countries, are financed by the Centers for
Disease Control and the National Institutes
of Health.
Since 1994, the standard US treatment to
reduce mother-child HIV transmission has
been the drug AZT during the final weeks of
pregnancy. This reduces by about two-thirds
the number of infants who contract HIV from
their mothers.
But in the Third World experiments,
conducted under the auspices of US
researchers, target populations are divided
into several groups. Some receive
variations on the effective AZT treatment.
Others get a dummy placebo. This allows
scientists to measure the efficacy of the
different treatment strategies against a
``control group'' that gets no medication.
The Health Research Group does not object
to the variations in the treatment, only to
the fact that some subjects receive
placebos.
According to Dr. Peter Lurie, who amassed
the data for the Health Research Group,
this unnecessary ``double-blind'' study
will result in about 1,000 more
HIV-positive children, virtually all of
whom will die gruesome deaths. But the
Centers for Disease Control takes the
position that this approach is ethically
defensible because in the absence of the
research, none of the target group would
benefit.
Still, the fact remains that this study
violates ethical standards that are
strictly enforced at home: Treatments known
to be effective are not to be denied human
subjects for the sake of ``research.''
Nobody contends that these research
protocols would have been approved had the
subjects been Americans. That's why they
had to be conducted on Africans.
In a letter to Secretary of Health and
Human Services Donna Shalala, Dr. Sidney
Wolfe, who directs the Health Research
Group, suggested that these experiments
also violate the 1995 Helsinki Declaration
of the World Medical Association, which
requires that the best available therapy be
given human subjects, including those in
control groups, as well as the Nuremberg
Code of Research Conduct, which was adopted
after World War II in response to practices
of Nazi doctors.
Among other provisions, the Nuremberg Code
requires that all research should be ``so
conducted as to avoid all unnecessary
physical and mental suffering and injury.''
Shalala's office has not yet replied.
The evident double standard for medical
research on human subjects raises a much
larger question - the proper relation
between standards that the US values at
home and those we demand in relations
between Americans and the rest of the
world. This issue becomes more pressing as
commerce becomes more globalized.
In general, the US government seeks to
impose US standards on the rest of the
world where the interests of American
property owners are at stake but takes a
far more relaxed position where other
people's interests are involved.
For example, in our relations with China,
American diplomats are extremely upset that
China does not honor US laws regarding
intellectual property. If trade
negotiations break down, it could well be
over Chinese piracy of US patents and
copyrights. But China's treatment of
workers who produce for export to the US
market, including those employed by
subsidiaries or partners of US companies,
is not an issue in the trade negotiations,
nor is the use of child labor or prison
labor, nor is the displacement of US
workers because of substandard Chinese
labor practices.
By the same token, protecting the patent
interests of US pharmaceutical companies
was key to the diplomatic breakthrough that
set up the World Trade Organization.
The property rights of drug companies are
protected overseas, but the products of
those same companies are routinely exported
for uses not approved in the United States.
And they are sometimes tested on human
subjects in ways that violate US standards.
So there is really a double double standard
at work here. It's bad enough that there is
one standard for US-sponsored research on
Americans and another where the subjects
are desperately poor Africans. But the
broader double standard is the enforcement
by the US government of one set of global
rules for powerful American corporations,
wherever they operate, and far weaker rules
for ordinary citizens of the planet,
foreign and domestic.
Robert Kuttner's column appears regularly
in the Globe.
This story ran on page e7 of the Boston
Globe on 04/27/97.
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Joseph N. Khamalah
Tel: (519)888-4567 x 3863
Fax: (519)746-7252
email: jnkhamal@mansci.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
http://mansci1.uwaterloo.ca/~jnkhamal
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If you think you have it tough, read history. - Anonymous.
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 20:47:25 +0100
From: bdukuray@login.eunet.no
To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: ZAIRE
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THE U-S SPECIAL ENVOY TO ZAIRE SAID AFTER TALKS WITH
FRENCH OFFICIALS IN PARIS THURSDAY THAT HE BELIEVES ZAIRE'S
PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE SEKO WILL RETURN TO KINSHASA FOLLOWING
TALKS IN GABON. SEVERAL REPORTS SUGGESTED PRESIDENT MOBUTU MIGHT
INSTEAD DECIDE TO GO INTO EXILE.
THE WAR IN ZAIRE IS A SOURCE OF TENSION BETWEEN FRANCE AND
THE UNITED STATES. FRANCE PRESSED FOR AN INTERNATIONAL FORCE TO
BE SENT THERE AS SOON AS IT BECAME OBVIOUS LAST YEAR THAT
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF REFUGEES WERE IN DANGER. BUT THE UNITED
STATES AND OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES OPPOSED THE PLAN.
FRANCE ALSO BELIEVES THAT THE ETHNIC TUTSI REBELS UNDER LAURENT
KABILA WILL TURN THE BIGGEST FRENCH-SPEAKING COUNTRY IN AFRICA
INTO ANOTHER ENGLISH-SPEAKING NATION.
B.Dukuray
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<BR>TALKS IN GABON. SEVERAL REPORTS SUGGESTED PRESIDENT MOBUTU MIGHT
<BR>INSTEAD DECIDE TO GO INTO EXILE.
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 21:56:46 +0100
From: bdukuray@login.eunet.no
To: "gambia-l@u.washington.edu List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Zaire
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Mobutu Sese Seko
Zairean President
Born: October 14, 1930; Lisala, Belgian Congo (now Zaire)
Education: Student, L'Ecole Centrale de Luluabourg, 1950-52; Institute
of Journalism, Brussels, 1959-60; Institute of Social Studies,
Brussels Military Service: Sgt-Maj., accountancy department, Force
Publique,
Belgian Congo, 1949-56; Occupation: Soldier Family: Wife, Boby Ladawa; 7
children
Religion: Roman Catholic Early Years: Journalist, 1956-58; Named chief
of staff, Congo army, 1960; Named commander in chief,1960 Political
Career: Seized power
with backing of military, assumed presidency, 1965 Office: Office of the
President, Mont
NgaliemaKinshasa, Zaire
D.Bukuray
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 21:54:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: African AIDS Guinea pigs? (fwd)
Message-ID: <970508215400_370006119@emout01.mail.aol.com>
Ancha,
This is not surprising but it is possible only because the governments of
these respective so called "Third World" countries allow this to happen. The
U.S government always protects the interest of big bussiness even against
it's own citizenry as evidenced by the havoc that the tobacco industry
continues to wreck, as well as many terrible things that the pharmaceutical
industry gets away with even in this country.The fault lies with those who
allowed the CDC
to come into their countries to perpetrate these evils on innocent people.
Jabou.
In a message dated 5/8/97 4:00:04 PM, you wrote:
<<It's not a new subject, but it's one thatt never ceases to amaze and
anger me. Kinda like when they (Westerners) pay an ***** in one of the
African countries ( esp. Nigeria) inorder to dump Radioactive waste in
the country. This is another topic but briefly, a conference was held ( I
don't know the dettails) in which the Nigerian government was asked to
not spill the waste into the Atlantic Ocean or some other body of water.
The waste would have of course greatly affected water as a whole in Africa.
They ( Nigerians) probably don't care abou that as long as they get most
of it out of their country. There were rumors that the container in which
tthe waste originally came with is leaking. WHAT A MESS!!!
(BOSTON GLOBE)
US science's cruelty overseas
By Robert Kuttner, 04/27/97
Thanks to the Public Citizen Health
Research Group, it recently came to light
that US medical researchers are still using
Third World populations as human guinea
pigs, with ethical standards that are
unacceptable in the United States.
The studies, on some 12,000 HIV-positive
pregnant women in the Ivory Coast, Uganda,
Tanzania, Zimbabwe, and other African
countries, are financed by the Centers for
Disease Control and the National Institutes
of Health.
Since 1994, the standard US treatment to
reduce mother-child HIV transmission has
been the drug AZT during the final weeks of
pregnancy. This reduces by about two-thirds
the number of infants who contract HIV from
their mothers.
But in the Third World experiments,
conducted under the auspices of US
researchers, target populations are divided
into several groups. Some receive
variations on the effective AZT treatment.
Others get a dummy placebo. This allows
scientists to measure the efficacy of the
different treatment strategies against a
``control group'' that gets no medication.
The Health Research Group does not object
to the variations in the treatment, only to
the fact that some subjects receive
placebos.
According to Dr. Peter Lurie, who amassed
the data for the Health Research Group,
this unnecessary ``double-blind'' study
will result in about 1,000 more
HIV-positive children, virtually all of
whom will die gruesome deaths. But the
Centers for Disease Control takes the
position that this approach is ethically
defensible because in the absence of the
research, none of the target group would
benefit.
Still, the fact remains that this study
violates ethical standards that are
strictly enforced at home: Treatments known
to be effective are not to be denied human
subjects for the sake of ``research.''
Nobody contends that these research
protocols would have been approved had the
subjects been Americans. That's why they
had to be conducted on Africans.
In a letter to Secretary of Health and
Human Services Donna Shalala, Dr. Sidney
Wolfe, who directs the Health Research
Group, suggested that these experiments
also violate the 1995 Helsinki Declaration
of the World Medical Association, which
requires that the best available therapy be
given human subjects, including those in
control groups, as well as the Nuremberg
Code of Research Conduct, which was adopted
after World War II in response to practices
of Nazi doctors.
Among other provisions, the Nuremberg Code
requires that all research should be ``so
conducted as to avoid all unnecessary
physical and mental suffering and injury.''
Shalala's office has not yet replied.
The evident double standard for medical
research on human subjects raises a much
larger question - the proper relation
between standards that the US values at
home and those we demand in relations
between Americans and the rest of the
world. This issue becomes more pressing as
commerce becomes more globalized.
In general, the US government seeks to
impose US standards on the rest of the
world where the interests of American
property owners are at stake but takes a
far more relaxed position where other
people's interests are involved.
For example, in our relations with China,
American diplomats are extremely upset that
China does not honor US laws regarding
intellectual property. If trade
negotiations break down, it could well be
over Chinese piracy of US patents and
copyrights. But China's treatment of
workers who produce for export to the US
market, including those employed by
subsidiaries or partners of US companies,
is not an issue in the trade negotiations,
nor is the use of child labor or prison
labor, nor is the displacement of US
workers because of substandard Chinese
labor practices.
By the same token, protecting the patent
interests of US pharmaceutical companies
was key to the diplomatic breakthrough that
set up the World Trade Organization.
The property rights of drug companies are
protected overseas, but the products of
those same companies are routinely exported
for uses not approved in the United States.
And they are sometimes tested on human
subjects in ways that violate US standards.
So there is really a double double standard
at work here. It's bad enough that there is
one standard for US-sponsored research on
Americans and another where the subjects
are desperately poor Africans. But the
broader double standard is the enforcement
by the US government of one set of global
rules for powerful American corporations,
wherever they operate, and far weaker rules
for ordinary citizens of the planet,
foreign and domestic.
Robert Kuttner's column appears regularly
in the Globe.
This story ran on page e7 of the Boston
Globe on 04/27/97.
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:53:29 +0800 (SGT)
From: Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
To: gambia-l <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: CELEBRATING THE ISLAMIC NEW YEAR 1418 AH. (fwd)
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:53:15 +0800 (WAUST)
From: atiku_garba_yahaya <j-atiku@usm.my>
To: Sulaiman Mahamoud Jalloh <9520073@talabah.iiu.my>,
Senesi Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
Subject: CELEBRATING THE ISLAMIC NEW YEAR 1418 AH.
In the name of Allah, most compassionate, most merciful, who says:
The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (in a
year) - so ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the
earth; of them four are sacred: That is the right religion.
(Qur'an, 9:36)
On the occasion of celebrating the Islamic new Year 1418 AH, one deems it
fit to:
1. Join other Muslims in celebrating it and to wish them the very
best of luck and Allah's guidance.
2. Once again remind ourselves of the significance of the HIJRA
calendar by situating its place in especially Islamic history.
HIJRA CALENDAR IN HISTORY.
The custom of referring to events as happening before or after the HIJRA
by the Muslims began during the life time of the Prophet (SAW). The
method in the beginning was such that a year was referred to around an
important incidence eg year of permission - the year in which Allah's
command for migration from Makka to Madina was received. The second was
known as the year in which JIHAD was made compulsory. The third year was
known as the year of affliction; etc.
However, the system of reckoning a year after its important event, did
not last long. Perhaps this could be due to the occurrence of many events
of significance in successive order, eg the battle of Badr, Uhud, etc.
Consequent upon this, therefore, another method came into use. In the new
method, HIJRA, on accounts of its being the sole reason for all later
events of great importance in the history of Islam, became regarded as
the starting point for mentioning all happenings, and it used to be said
that such and such took place so many month(s) after HIJRA. For example,
concerning fasting in the month of Ramadan, it is stated that it was made
compulsory eighteen months after the HIJRA.
It is important to point out that the Arabs were familiar with the method
of constructing history by referring to important events. Even though it
may not be claimed that in the whole of Arabia there existed a uniform
system of time reckoning in the early days, yet it is found out that the
pre-Islam Arabs had been using memorable events as the starting point for
their oral history narration. Once an important event was adopted by the
Arabs, it remained in use till such a time when another event of
significance, according to them, took place. For example, the death of
Ka'ab b. Luwaiy (the ancestor of Banu Hashim) was an important event for
the Arabs, who, therefore, used th year of his death as the starting
point of recounting their history. Later on, the attack of Abraha on the
Ka'aba with a fully equipped force having a contingent of elephants was
considered an important event which the Arabs called the year of elephant.
Hence they started recounting their history by referring to it and would
say eg this happened so many months or years before or after the year of
elephant. This use, seems to be substituted by the year in which the war
of Fijar took place.
The HIJRA of the Prophet (SAW) from Makka to Madina was not only one of
the most important events, but also the first in order of occurrence in
the history of Islam. Soon after its occurrence, it occupied the minds of
the Muslims, who attached greatest importance to it. There was no better
way to remember its importance than to count it as the starting point for
recounting their history. It was Caliph Umar al-Khattab who, as a Caliph,
regularised the HIJRA calendar.
IMPORTANCE OF HIJRA CALENDAR.
The months of the Islamic calendar are lunar and they are twelve.
Muharram is the first month and the twelveth being Dhul Hijja. The months
of the Islamic calendar are unique in the sense that each contains some
particular activities for us to carry out. And each month is equally
significant as the other. The significance of Muharram, for instance, to
the collective spiritual experience of mankind, lies in the fact that the
month witnessed so many major historical events in the history of
mankind. Of particular importance is the 10th of Muharram (Day of Ashura)
which has featured unique occurrences in man's history. Every muslim is
expected to fast on this day as a mark of appreciation because Allah
(SWT) turned mercifully to many Prophets on this day. For example:
1. Allah (SWT) turned with mercy on this day to Prophet Adam (AS) on
earth after his exile from paradise.
2. Prophet Nuh (AS) and his companions on the ark were delivered on
this day.
3. The fire in which Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was placed by the pagan
infidels was extinguished by Allah (SWT) on this day.
4. Allah (SWT) spoke to Prophet Musa (AS) and sent the law to him on
this day.
5. Prophet Yunus (AS) was saved from the belly of the fish on this day.
6. Prophet Isa (AS) was saved from crucification on this day.
7. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was sent Allah's special blessings through
Angel Jibril on this day.
FINALLY, I pray to Allah (SWT) to guide us to and in the right path.
Ameen.
Thank you and Wassalam.
---Atiku.
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 00:05:54 -0500
From: Francis Njie <c3p0@xsite.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: The Observer Online: Additional Demo Issues
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Gambia-L...
Please find additional demo issues (from April) of the Observer Online at...
http://www.xsite.net/~c3p0/observer
Thanks...
- The Observer Online Team
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:51:40 + 0200 MET
From: "ALPHA ROBINSON" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or indifference?
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> Dear Ms. Darboe,
>
> I will grant your request, and start the discussion on Gambian politics.
> Was it not evident to all parties contesting the elections last year that
> the constitution was tailor made for the AFPRC/APRC.
Is there any evidence to support this contention? Please enlighten us.
Thanks,
Alpha
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:30:52 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Tailor made constitution.
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Mr Robinson,
My mistake for not supplying any evidence of flaws (as Lattir
Downes-Thomas put it) in the new constitution. By saying that the
constitution is tailor made for the APRC/AFPRC, I was trying to say that
the constitution gives the party in power extraordinary powers. It was
obvious that the APRC was going to win. To me it is clever of the present
government. Make a constitution that is going to give you extraordinary
powers, pretend you are not going to contest, once the constitution is
accepted, announce that you will be contesting. Did you personally
believe that the APRC were going to lose the elections? Was it not obvious
that the new cabinet was going to be almost the same as before.
I can't really give any evidence without a copy to quote from. However if
any patriotic Gambian out there has a copy, why don't they send it to the
list, and let everyone make their own judgement.
I am sure Alpha, being the patriotic Gambian you are, that you must have
one handy. Till then.
Yours humbly,
Ebrima Jawara.
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 08:31:42 -0400
From: SIGGA JAGNE <SJ044947@gwmail.kysu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Test -Reply
Message-ID: <s372e129.056@gwmail.kysu.edu>
HI,
MY NAME IS SIGGA JAGNE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE LIST IS
OPERATING NORMALY NOW. I SENT A SELF INTRODUCTORY
MESSAGE AS A NEW MEMBER, BUT IT WOULD NOT GO THROUGH.
THIS WAS ON TUESDAY 6TH.
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 08:40:54 -0400
From: SIGGA JAGNE <SJ044947@gwmail.kysu.edu>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: NEW MEMBER-MISS SIGGA JAGNE
Message-ID: <s372e34b.057@gwmail.kysu.edu>
DEAR GAMBIA-L MEMBERS,
MY NAME IS MISS SIGGA JAGNE. I HAVE
BEEN ENLISTED FOR SOME TIME NOW, BUT I HAVE NOT HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. BUT I AM VERY IMPRESSED
BY THE RESPONSES AND DISCUSSIONS THAT MEMBERS HOLD ON
GAMBIA-L. ALLOW ME TO COMMEND YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO
BEING AN ACTIVE MEMBER.
MISS SIGGA JAGNE
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:08:45 +0000
From: "NJIE OMAR E" <964NJIE@alpha.nlu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Test -Reply
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Sigga:
Your message came through. Welcome to the bantaba. I'm sure you'll
enjoy the forum. I hope all is going well with you, Annie, and all
the Gambians at KSU. Send me a private mail if you have the time.
Omar.
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Date: Fri, 9 May 97 12:28:37 CET
From: "Edrissa Jarju" <edjarju@usaid.gov>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: re: The Observer Online: Additional Demo Issues
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I checked it out and it looks very good... can't belief we'll all finally
keep up with what's going on in TG, maybe others print media in TG can
follow later. Keep up the good work..
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New Member.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970509093057.26556F-100000@saul2.u.washington.edu>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Lamin Bojang, brother of veteran Gambia-ler Sarjo Bojang has been added
to the list. We welcome him and will be looking forward to his
introduction and contributions.
Subscription managers can now resume adding on new members.
Thanks
Tony
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:02:40 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970509180457.AAA31130@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Musa Manneh has been added to the list. Welcome to the Gambia-l
Musa, we look forward to your contributions. Please send an
introduction of yourself to:
gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Regards
Momodou Camara
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http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:49:56 -0700
From: sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <199705091749.KAA26113@thesky.incog.com>
All,
Baboucarr Jallow has been added to the list. Welcome aboard and please send in your intro to the list.
Sarian
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:53:09 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Tailor made constitution
Message-ID: <33737294.890B23F0@earthlink.net>
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ALPHA ROBINSON wrote:
>
> > Dear Ms. Darboe,
> >
> > I will grant your request, and start the discussion on Gambian politics.
> > Was it not evident to all parties contesting the elections last year that
> > the constitution was tailor made for the AFPRC/APRC.
>
> Is there any evidence to support this contention? Please enlighten us.
The best evidence to support this contention would be the the second
part of the Constitution titled, Shedule 2. It pretty much exonerates
the AFPRC from being questioned on any of their activities during the
transition period and also allows the decrees created under the AFPRC to
continue thus giving the President and his government powers that
normally they would not have.
I think this is what allows various institutions of the government to
act they way they have recently against members of the opposition.
This is also an example of how flawed the entire document is because of
the ambiguity caused here and the contradiction that this part of the
constitution presents with respect to other parts.
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 12:21:28 PDT
From: "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
To: 9210077@talabah.iiu.my
Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: CELEBRATING THE ISLAMIC NEW YEAR 1418 AH. (fwd)
Message-ID: <199705091921.MAA05471@f32.hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:53:15 +0800 (WAUST)
>From: atiku_garba_yahaya <j-atiku@usm.my>
>To: Sulaiman Mahamoud Jalloh <9520073@talabah.iiu.my>,
> Senesi Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
>Subject: CELEBRATING THE ISLAMIC NEW YEAR 1418 AH.
>
>
>In the name of Allah, most compassionate, most merciful, who says:
>
> The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (in a
> year) - so ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the
> earth; of them four are sacred: That is the right religion.
> (Qur'an, 9:36)
>
>
>On the occasion of celebrating the Islamic new Year 1418 AH, one deems it
>fit to:
>
> 1. Join other Muslims in celebrating it and to wish them the very
> best of luck and Allah's guidance.
>
> 2. Once again remind ourselves of the significance of the HIJRA
> calendar by situating its place in especially Islamic history.
>
AS SALAAM ALAIK..ATIKU.....
MAY YOU BE BLESSED.
YOUR POSTING WAS UNEXPECTED AND VERY SPECIAL TO ME. I am a muslim
not so well versed in the quran and islamic texts. any such
information would therefore, be greately appreciated. i am so caught up
in the western life here that i did not even know that the islamic
new year was near or is here. may i please print this posting of
yours and really go over it methodically. i am not literate in
arabic so i cannot read arabic texts. i do not also like to read
the translations and the transliterations of the quran into english. i
always feel that somehow, no matter what little i know, there is
something missing from them.. they seem so much less authentic.
much of what i learned in the DARA doesn't do me much good now and
almost everything i come accross seems to be new to me. i will be
looking forward to more postings from you.
njaga jagne.........a gambian in hill-billy land..
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: GREETINGS FROM THE GAMBIA (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.970509154001.22375B-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>
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FORWARDE MESSGE FROM MR. TOMBONG SAIDY.
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Thu, 8 May 1997 17:17:34 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:17:34 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <970508171549_-997128774@emout06.mail.aol.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: GREETINGS FROM THE GAMBIA
Gambia-L,
It has been a long time since you last heard from me. I have been in The
Gambia since early February, but due to circumstances beyond my control, I
could not sign on. It took a while before I could get my computer to The
Gambia, and it took a while to settle as well.
Thank Allah, I am now settling down and hopefully I will resume my
contributions in the "BANTABA".
I have been promoted and posted to the Ministry of Trade, Industry and
Employment. I am the Deputy Permanent Secretary responsible for
Administration and Direct Foreign Investment promotion.
I miss you all. I also miss the discussions as well. Since I am now on the
ground, I will try to provide first hand and timely information. It is rather
expensive to log in because, I have to call long distance to do so.
CompuServe, which was serving The Gambia, has stopped doing so because of a
dispute with GAMTEL. I am trying to persuade America Online to set up a note
in The Gambia to replace or compete with CompuServe. Until I found a cheaper
way of signing on, I will be accessing my E-mail sparingly.
My contact numbers are: Office (Direct Line) Tel/Fax: (220) 228-169
Cellular: (220)
990-744
Best regards.
TOMBONG SAIDY
PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 13:14:08 PDT
From: "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
To: aeujawra@reading.ac.uk
Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Tailor made constitution.
Message-ID: <199705092014.NAA21280@f33.hotmail.com>
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>I can't really give any evidence without a copy to quote from. However if
>any patriotic Gambian out there has a copy, why don't they send it to the
>list, and let everyone make their own judgement.
>
>I am sure Alpha, being the patriotic Gambian you are, that you must have
>one handy. Till then.
>
>Yours humbly,
>
>Ebrima Jawara.
>
******greetings Ebrima and fellow gambia-l'ers.************
i am not one to say that i knew anything of the Gambia's
constitution when the Gambia was still a "demacracy" (in my opinion)
even if this peaceful and serene nation was misused and abused by the
jawara regime. but if there is anything i know, it is that the old
constitution was drawn with no intent to give any group of people
comand of power for thirty years**( even if that was what
happened)**** That constitution had given Gambians a lot of rights and
a peace of mind inherently denied today by the jammeh regime....The
only thing i supported jammeh with was that he had helped to oust
an old, out of date and "each man for himself regime". he had also
helped to realise my prediction that oonly the bullet or death in old
age could make the old man give up power. Sir dawda was a true
gambian leader who got stricken by the "old African leader"
syndrome. He messed up. he could have done much better... he let too
much happen that should not have....People should deserve more than a
paid vacation when they embezzle the nation's funds.
Yaya however, is also aflling prey to the destructive "military regime
syndrome" He is not only gonna self-destruct, but i am afraid he is
gonna take the gambia along with him..i pray to God that we do not
become another liberia or sierra leone, and the likes of somalia. Yaya
had a chance to be a hero, but he blew it when he also greedily
held on to power "by all means neccessary!!!!".... and started to put
his fellow gambians "six-feet under" when challenged. REMBER YAHYA>>>> "
POWER CORRUPTS......AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY"... IT is
almost an irony to me to realise that that i am going to also apply
my prediction of Jawara's fate to the man that made it true.. if you
think that your "safo's" are all-powerful, yahya!!!ask around... the
all-mighty is watching....i hope that you will son come to your senses
and realise that soldiers' hands are too heavy to belong to anywhere
else but the barracks and geared towards the protection of the nation
from external aggression. it is almost invariable that the short-sighted
man always trips on his own feet becausehe is peering too intensely
ahead... Jawara created the army after the failed attempts of kukoi.. the
gambia did not need one even if it provided much-needed jobs. it is
the same army that brought about his downfall. Yyyyyaaahhyyaaaa.....???
what is gonna be yours???
*>>>>>>>this should be enough for now, i will look faward to a
response..... i will also look foward to a copy of the current
constitution if anybody can post it......
NJAGA JAGNE......>>>>A GAMBIAN IN HILL-BILLY LAND......****
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:56:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Tailor made constitution
Message-ID: <970509165511_1719813506@emout04.mail.aol.com>
In regards to the AFPRC having built- in safeguards for themselves in the
constitution, a friend and l were discussing this very issue last night. We
both agreed that this is the kind of thing that inevitably ensues whenever
power is siezed. We all agree or at least l hope so, that we definitely
needed a change in The Gambia , and given the situation we had for the past
thirty years, perhaps a coup was the only way to at least begin this change
(l do not know) However, those who sieze power by force are always plagued by
the fear that they have set a precedent, and that someone else, either within
their own organization, or outside of it, will attempt to do the same. This
becomes the motivation for many a contradictory stance. Unfortunately, this
is the situation that the present government is in. When you have to
constantly look behind your back, one tends to make decisions that are geared
more towards protecting oneself as opposed to being in the best interest of
all concerned. What do the rest of you think?
Jabou.
In a message dated 5/9/97 1:53:11 PM, you wrote:
<<ALPHA ROBINSON wrote:
>
> > Dear Ms. Darboe,
> >
> > I will grant your request, and start the discussion on Gambian politics.
> > Was it not evident to all parties contesting the elections last year that
> > the constitution was tailor made for the AFPRC/APRC.
>
> Is there any evidence to support this contention? Please enlighten us.
The best evidence to support this contention would be the the second
part of the Constitution titled, Shedule 2. It pretty much exonerates
the AFPRC from being questioned on any of their activities during the
transition period and also allows the decrees created under the AFPRC to
continue thus giving the President and his government powers that
normally they would not have.
I think this is what allows various institutions of the government to
act they way they have recently against members of the opposition.
This is also an example of how flawed the entire document is because of
the ambiguity caused here and the contradiction that this part of the
constitution presents with respect to other parts.
Peace.
Lat
>>
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:18:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Test -Reply
Message-ID: <970509161902_1122554342@emout10.mail.aol.com>
SIGGA JAGNE,
Git your intro.
Jabou
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:19:31 +0200
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:36:50 +0100
From: bdukuray@login.eunet.no
To: "gambia-l@u.washington.edu List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Help
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because some time I get problem to send massege to the list.
Thanks
B.Dukuray
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:13:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: To Understand Zaire, Follow the Money!!
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Zaire Official Accused of Fraud
By Stephen Buckley
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, May 9, 1997; Page A28
KINSHASA, Zaire, May 8, 97... Zaire's prime minister reportedly
has converted all of the country's hard-currency assets into $7
million in cash and appears to be preparing "for a speedy
departure from Kinshasa with a couple of large suitcases of
cash," according to a confidential State Department cable.
The cable sent to Washington by the U.S. Embassy here
quotes "a well-informed source" in the Zairian financial
community as saying that Gen. Likulia Bolongo, appointed
prime minister April 13 by President Mobutu Sese Seko,
drained the government's overseas petroleum accounts and has
taken "personal control" of the assets.
"While there is no direct evidence," the cable says, "the
circumstances point to the possibility that Prime Minister
Likulia has prepared for a speedy departure from Kinshasa
with a couple of large suitcases of cash."
It adds: "For the moment, he seems to be avoiding diversions,
such as preparing the defense of Kinshasa, and concentrating
on raising as much cash as possible, either for his own use, the
use of other senior military officials, or President Mobutu."
The prime minister could not be reached for comment tonight,
and U.S. Ambassador Daniel Simpson refused to comment.
A rebel force seeking to overthrow Mobutu for the past seven
months and heightened political chaos here in the capital have
Mobutu's regime teetering and some top officials fleeing, or at
least attempting to. The rebel Alliance of Democratic Forces
for the Liberation of Congo-Zaire controls about three-fourths
of this country of 46 million and are now about 125 miles east
of the capital.
Zaire's political elite has become increasingly alarmed as rebels
have drawn closer to the capital. They are applying for visas to
European countries and sending their families abroad.
Numerous relatives of Mobutu left the country two or three
months ago.
The most publicized defection in recent weeks was that of
former prime minister Kengo wa Dondo. Kengo, who fled the
country on April 13 and is believed to be in Europe, was
accused on April 16 of having taken several million dollars
originally meant for Zaire's campaign against the rebels.
But the State Department cable suggests Likulia may have
helped himself to the country's war fund accounts just before
being appointed prime minister.
The funds were withdrawn by a high-ranking military official
who reports directly to Likulia "and have not resurfaced," the
cable states, adding that perhaps accusations thrown at Kengo
quickly died because "if Likulia himself actually stole the funds,
he would have little interest in keeping the story alive."
According to the cable, the source said Likulia asked for the
country's hard-currency assets to be converted into cash
shortly before he took over as prime minister. After most of the
money was shipped in from Europe. Zaire's commercial
banks reportedly had only $700,000 in hard currency a
military armored car delivered the money to the prime
minister's compound.
The cable takes care to note that Zairian leaders have long
been known as some of the world's most corrupt and that the
scramble for cash in what appears to be Mobutu's final days
may be more fierce than ever.
"Given senior Zairians reputation for extreme greed, it seems
likely that the prime minister is now concentrating on his own
pension fund," the cable said.
Copyright 1997 The Washington Post Company
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:20:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: U.S. asks Nigeria to detain Gaddafi.
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.c The Associated Press
> WASHINGTON (AP) - The United States, accusing Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi
> of violating United Nations sanctions, asked Nigeria to detain the aircraft
> on which Libyan leader Gadhafi flew to that country.
>
> Gadhafi was aboard one of four aircraft that flew Friday to the Nigerian
> capital Abuja after an initial stop in neighboring Niger.
>
> State Department spokesman Nicholas Burns said the United States is asking
> officials in Niger and Nigeria about the facts of the case.
>
> ``We will be very disappointed with both of those governments if in fact they
> aided and abetted the Libyan dictator to fly in violation of the U.N.
> sanctions to both of those countries,'' Burns said.
>
> Afterward, he said, the United States will go to the he U.N. Security Council
> and the U.N. Sanctions Committee to seek condemnation of Libya.
>
> The Security Council banned flights to and from Libya in 1992 to force the
> surrender of two Libyans wanted in the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over
> Lockerbie, Scotland, which killed 270 people.
>
> Burns said he is confident Gadhafi's travels will undercut countries that
> advocate lifting the sanctions.
>
> Libya violated the sanctions in March by sending a plane with 105 passengers
> to Saudi Arabia for the annual Muslim hajj pilgrimage without first obtaining
> U.N. permission. It was the third year in a row that Libya defied the United
> Nations. Gadhafi has vowed never to ask permission from ``Christians'' in the
> Security Council for his people to perform their Muslim duties.
>
> In Nigeria, Gadhafi was greeted by Gen. Sani Abacha, the country's military
> leader, and by thousands of school children. He led prayers before a crowd
> estimated at 50,000.
>
> ``It is not a secret that America and Europe are leading a campaign to insult
> and belittle the Islamic peoples,'' Gadhafi, dressed in a white robe, turban
> and sunglasses, said in his sermon at Friday prayers.
>
> He told the crowd he wanted to demonstrate Islam's strength against Europe
> and America.
>
> ``We want to mobilize the millions of Muslims from the start of this
> (Islamic) year to show off our power. We want to show Islam's power and its
> ability to challenge and return the insults to those who voice them,'' he
> said.
>
> Gadhafi showed the crowd photos of children he said were killed in U.S. air
> raids on Libya in 1986 and in Israeli attacks in southern Lebanon.
>
> ``These are the symbols of terrorism and barbarianism,'' Gadhafi said. ``The
> Israelis are still occupying Lebanon after these attacks, and they don't
> withdraw because the Americans are with them.''
>
> AP-NY-05-09-97 1637EDT
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WASHINGTON (May 9, 1997 09:02 a.m. EDT) -- Another of America's kept
anti-communist dictators has gone sour -- looting, butchering, oppressing
his own people -- and so U.S. foreign policy has actively sponsored remov=
al
of Zaire's President Mobutu Sese Seko.
As a propped-up defender of America's interests against America's enemies=
in
Africa, Mobutu had a rewarding 32-year run before coming into disfavor,
certainly longer than many other onetime U.S. allies who found themselves=
at
odds with changing U.S. politics and global intent.
One dimly-remembered ally, for example, was North Vietnam's Ho Chi Minh w=
ho,
in what must have seemed the blink of an eye in 1945, changed in the
American view from a patriot fighting alongside Americans against the
Japanese to an instrument of worldwide communism.
Americans were not much concerned with his politics during World War II w=
hen
Ho and his communist guerrillas battled the Japanese in what was then
Indochina and shared victory with the Western allies. The celebrations en=
ded
quickly, though, when American policy came down on the side of attempts t=
o
shove the Vietnamese aside and return French colonialism.
In that shameful business Japanese troops were allowed to remain under ar=
ms
in Indochina and under Western allies' orders to fight Ho and his army. T=
he
post war Western mission was to preserve economic plundering for French
nationals, many of them the same French citizens whose Vichy government -=
-
after the French surrender to Nazi Germany -- had willingly served both
Germany and Japan, America's enemies.
The line that runs between an American double-cross of a onetime friend a=
nd
fighting ally in Vietnam and the 32-year American support of the Zairian
despot Mobutu is communism.
In the official American view, communism demonized Ho, who, nevertheless,
died a loved, respected and finally victorious patriot among his own peop=
le.
And communism, in another way, made Mobutu one of Africa's richest and mo=
st
hated leaders, encouraged to rob and victimize his country because
succeeding American governments admired what was seen as his staunch
anti-communism.
Tragically, the lost war in the name of anti-communism in Vietnam cost mo=
re
than 58,000 American lives and hundreds of thousands -- if not millions -=
-
of Vietnamese lives. Fortunately -- for America -- U.S. troops were never
sent to Zaire to save our bought and paid for anti-communist, Mobutu.
But political upheavals in Africa, fed mightily by rival shipments of Sov=
iet
and American arms, have killed, starved, left homeless, brutalized and
embittered millions of Africans, many of whom probably have a clearer
picture of what U.S. policy has done than U.S. policy-makers.
It's been much of the same mixed success elsewhere in the world. American=
s
and American money came to the side of self-advertised anti-communists in
South and Central America to help them kill communist rebels and guerrill=
as
who posed no threat to America and with whom Americans had no quarrel.
In Afghanistan we again proved our anti-communism, feeding billions of
dollars in American arms to our friends, that same breed of "freedom
fighters" who've often shown up as our proxies and in Afghanistan
successfully battled invasion by the dying Soviet Union.
As it turned out, the Afghanistan victory was somewhat dimmed when our
victorious freedom fighters turned against one another in ecstasies of
religious warfare and -- still using our weapons -- slaughtered each othe=
r
and reduced the country to a smoking ruin.
There've been other American anti-communist adventures since we handed Ho
Chi Minh the thank-you cigar that went off in his face. We had big
investments in Asia, the Middle East, Europe, places we've known about an=
d
places we'll probably never know about.
Now, after more than 50 years of the American fight against the worldwide
menace of godless communism that, we were told, threatened to dominate th=
e
world and infiltrate our country and its institutions right down to Littl=
e
League baseball and the PTA, it looks like we've won.
The Soviet Union and Communist Eastern Europe went belly-up and now plead
for help to turn themselves into free enterprise democracies. China is a
surviving Red menace but increasingly dependent on trade and help from
Westerners.
So it's a fitting time to wash our hands of Zaire's Mobuto, hopefully the
last of the worst anti-communist despots we'll ever have to buy.
(Leonard E. Larsen writes this column twice weekly for Scripps Howard New=
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 15:59:53 GMT
From: oleary@arminco.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Request for recipes
Message-ID: <199705101559.PAA13255@arminco.com>
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This may sound like a strange request but I have a Gambian Visitor here in
Armenia and I want to make some Gambian Dishes. I'm a pretty fair cook and
just whipped up a nice domoda.....
I'm looking for a recipe for Coucha (however it is spelled)....We are able
to get sorrel in the local market here. Any other recipes would be
greatfully appreciated. I may have to adapt them to the local produce but
I'll try.
Thanks to you all
MKJ
Sean O'Leary
USAID/Yerevan
Washington,DC
20520-7020
Home Phone:(3742)151371
E-mail address: oleary@arminco.com
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Date: Sat, 10 May 97 15:33:37 -24000
From: "Edrissa Jarju" <edjarju@usaid.gov>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: re: Request for recipes
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Hey Sean,
You can try using spinnach (if that's the right spelling) to make the
"coucha". It works amazingly.. & anybody invited???
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 16:32:38 GMT
From: oleary@arminco.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: re: Request for recipes
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Yeah....we can get sorrel here which is the right stuff but I need the full
recipe...
N'Janko say hi to you. He is right here now and wonders why you are working
on Saturday evening. He invites you for Domoda...it smells real good..
Are you coming on the 4th??
Did you see Kim....
Sean O'Leary
USAID/Yerevan
Washington,DC
20520-7020
Home Phone:(3742)151371
E-mail address: oleary@arminco.com
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:34:36 PDT
From: "ebrima drameh" <njogou@hotmail.com>
To: aeujawra@reading.ac.uk, gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Deja Vu: Apathy or indifference?
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>Dear Ms. Darboe,
>
>I will grant your request, and start the discussion on Gambian politics.
>Was it not evident to all parties contesting the elections last year that
>the constitution was tailor made for the AFPRC/APRC. Without wanting to
>repeat anything that has already been discussed (I only joined in March),
>why did the opposition parties not boycott the elections. After the
>presidential elections, if I can recall correctly, the leader of one the
>opposition parties claimed on BBC Focus On Africa that he had evidence of
>fraud in the elections. To this day, as far as I know, that evidence has
>never been furnished. Is this apathy or indifference. One would expect
>that evidence to be given as proof to the international community.
>I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR JAWARA. MR DARBO DID SAY THAT HE HAD SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE THAT THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS WERE RIGGED.HE SAID THIS IN A BBC
PROGRAMME,TALK ABOUT AFRICA.COINCIDENTALLY HE WAS REPLYING TO ME.I TOOK PART IN
THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAMME ALONG WITH MR DARBO,PAP CHEYASSIN SECKA AND ZAYA YEBO,
A FORMER GHANAIAN MINISTER.I WAS IN THE STUDIOS IN LONDON ALONG WITH MR YEBO
WHILE MR DARBO AND MR SECKA WERE JOINED BY TELEPHONE.THE TOPIC CENTRED ON THE
WAY FORWARD FOR THE GAMBIA AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.
WE HAVE STILL NOT SEEN ANY OF THE SO CALLED PROVES FROM MR DARBO AS PROMISED.
THANKS,EBRIMA DAMEH.
>Apparently, the main topic in The Gambian Parliament these days is the pay
>that MPs should get. I guess the MPs are concerned about their monthly
>salaries than the welfare of their constituents. Of course it can be
>argued that there is nothing wrong with increasing one's own welfare
>first.
>
>Pa Sallah Jagne has recently been released and appointed as commissioner
>of WD. Apparently he has been given his full pay since July 1994, when he
>was detained. There were charges of corruption brought against him at the
>time. Have these charges been dropped? If not, is not strange that a man
>discredited by the current government, imprisoned, and allegedly tortured,
>should be made a commissioner by them. Is Mr Jagne to be accused of
>apathy, or indiffernce?
>
>Yours humbly,
>
>Ebrima Jawara.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:09:57 PDT
From: "ebrima drameh" <njogou@hotmail.com>
To: Gunjur@AOL.COM, gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Tailor made constitution
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>
> In regards to the AFPRC having built- in safeguards for themselves in the
>constitution, a friend and l were discussing this very issue last night. We
>both agreed that this is the kind of thing that inevitably ensues whenever
>power is siezed. We all agree or at least l hope so, that we definitely
>needed a change in The Gambia , and given the situation we had for the past
>thirty years, perhaps a coup was the only way to at least begin this change
>(l do not know) However, those who sieze power by force are always plagued by
>the fear that they have set a precedent, and that someone else, either within
>their own organization, or outside of it, will attempt to do the same. This
>becomes the motivation for many a contradictory stance. Unfortunately, this
>is the situation that the present government is in. When you have to
>constantly look behind your back, one tends to make decisions that are geared
>more towards protecting oneself as opposed to being in the best interest of
>all concerned. What do the rest of you think?
>
>Jabou.
WITH REGARDS THE CONSTITUTION BEING TAILOR MADE TO SUIT WHOEVER COMES INTO
POWER,I THINK THERE IS NOT MUCH TO DO ABOUT IT NOW.IF ANY ACTION SHOULD HAVE
BEEN TAKEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE DURING THE DRAFTING STAGES.AT THAT POINT THE
EUPHORIA WAS STILL BLOWING IN THE WIND AND THERE WAS TALK THAT DARBO WOULD COME
INTO POWER. I BELEIVE THAT THIS WAS THE REASON WHY THE OPPOSITION DID NOT DO
MUCH TO AVOID WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY.MR DARBO LIKE ANYONE DESIRING TO COME TO
POWER DOES NOT WANT LAWS THAT WOULD BIND HIS/HER HANDS TOGETHER.
IN ORDER TO BE AN EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION,PERSONAL INTERESTS WILL HAVE TO BE
FOREGONE. I ONLY HOPE THAT MR DARBO AND OTHERS HAVE LEARNT.
>
> THANKS:EBRIMA DRAMEH
>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 5/9/97 1:53:11 PM, you wrote:
>
><<ALPHA ROBINSON wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Ms. Darboe,
>> >
>> > I will grant your request, and start the discussion on Gambian politics.
>> > Was it not evident to all parties contesting the elections last year that
>> > the constitution was tailor made for the AFPRC/APRC.
>>
>> Is there any evidence to support this contention? Please enlighten us.
>
>The best evidence to support this contention would be the the second
>part of the Constitution titled, Shedule 2. It pretty much exonerates
>the AFPRC from being questioned on any of their activities during the
>transition period and also allows the decrees created under the AFPRC to
>continue thus giving the President and his government powers that
>normally they would not have.
>
>I think this is what allows various institutions of the government to
>act they way they have recently against members of the opposition.
>
>This is also an example of how flawed the entire document is because of
>the ambiguity caused here and the contradiction that this part of the
>constitution presents with respect to other parts.
>
>Peace.
>
>Lat
>
>
>
>>>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 18:38:06 +-200
From: Hamedou Drammeh <h.e.drammeh@habo.mail.telia.com>
To: "'GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List'"
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Test
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Hallo every body:
I have send a not before, but it was retutned to me . Can some one tall me, what was problem.
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:49:01 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: The Art Of War.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.970510204332.6110A-100000@suma3.reading.ac.uk>
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'IN PEACE PREPARE FOR WAR, IN WAR PREPARE FOR PEACE. THE ART OF WAR IS OF
VITAL IMPORTANCE TO THE STATE. IT IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH. A ROAD
EITHER TO SAFETY OR RUIN. HENCE IT IS A SUBJECT OF INQUIRY WHICH CAN ON NO
ACCOUNT BE NEGLECTED...'
Taken from the Art of War, written by Sun-Tzu in 500 BC.
Thanks to Lattir for supplying the parts of the constitution as requested
by Alpha. Good piece of writing Mr. Drammeh. As Bass would put it, "Keep
up the good work".
Have a good weekend.
Yours humbly,
Ebrima Jawara.
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:56:35 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Adama S. Njie" <njie@online.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: In search of a friend
Message-ID: <199705101956.VAA25104@online.no>
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Please can anyone help me find an old friend by the name of Yama Ceesay.
She might be living in Atlanta according to sources in Oslo, Norway. Yama
used to live in Lancaster Street before moving to Serekunda/Dippakunda.
My name is Saite Gaye and I knew Yama while working at the RVH. I am
presently residing in Oslo, and can be contacted at Phone no. 47 31 28 47
24(private) or at work 47 32 75 10 00.
Messages regarding Yama's whereabouts may be sent "njie@online.no".
Thanks
Adama S Njie
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:45:21 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: FWD: Introduction from Hamedou Drammeh
Message-ID: <19970510214753.AAA27802@LOCALNAME>
**/The following message is an introduction from Hamedou Drammeh/**
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From: Hamedou Drammeh <h.e.drammeh@habo.mail.telia.com>
To: "'Momodou Camara'" <Mcamara@post3.tele.dk>
Subject: VB: my introduction
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:49:08 +-200
Hallo Modou:
Thank you again for your latest note. I will try to introduce my self
here.
My name is Hamedou. I`m 46 years of age, i came from Taifa village in
the Central River Division The Gambia. I came to Sweden 1979 since
then I live here in Stockholm. During this years I have gone to many
occupational training schools. I was graduated at a technical high
school 1986 as operational technician specialized in power supply. I
was enrolled same year,at the Stockholm royal institute of technology
for Engineering course, a course I never completed, because
of family conditions. My hobby is amongst others, reading, going
out in the nature and meeting other people. My major interest is
communal work and politics. I used to be a very active member of
the Gambian organisation in Sweden. Infact I was at one time
chairman of that organization. I work at the Swedish state railway
as mechanic. I`m member of the executive section of our trade
union there. I am very glad to be in this forum.
My regards.
Hamedou
Hamedou Drammeh
Spovv{gen 41
147 33 B}lsta
Tel:0171 674 82
E-mail h.e.drammeh@habo.mail.telia.com
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:04:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: CELEBRATING THE ISLAMIC NEW YEAR 1418 AH. (fwd)
Message-ID: <970510200427_-598607023@emout11.mail.aol.com>
Mr Jagne (in hill billy land)
Anytime a translation is done, one almost always looses some of the meaning,
but in the case of the Qu'ran, it is so important as a Muslim to know what we
were being taught in the DARAS all those years, and what is in the Qu'ran,
that we must read the translation anyway. May l suggest a new translation
that was completed last year. This translation is an 8 volume work that
contains portions of Sahih Al-Buhari's 8-volume compilation of the authentic
Hadiths of the Prophet. There is a condensed version in one volume. The
Hadiths are included as foot-notes and reading them along with the Qu'ranic
text will open up a whole new world of Islam for you. It is entitled as
follows:
INTERPRETATION OF THE MEANINGS OF THE NOBLE QUR'AN
IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. A SUMMARIZED VERSION OF
AT-TABARI, AL-QURTUBI AND IBN KATHIR, WITH COMMENTS
FROM SAHIH AL-BUKHARI.
SUMMARIZED IN ONE VOLUME BY;
Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din AL-Halali,Phd (Berlin)
Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan. (both of the Islamic
University
of Al-Madina Al-Munawwara in Saudi Arabia)
YOU CAN ORDER A COPY FROM IQRA' BOOK CENTER, 2701 W. DEVON AVE. CHICAGO,
IL,60659. PH. 1-800-521-4272. They have many fine publications on Islam that
you and l never knew existed, ranging from Hadith to biographies of the
Prophet to things halal and haram etc, etc. If you call them, they will be
glad to send you a catalog of their publications. Another source is the
ISLAMIC SOCIETY OF NORTH AMERICA in INDIANA. I will post their address when l
find it , or perhaps some of you out there may know of them.
Assalaamu Alaikum Warahmatullah.
Jabou Joh.
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Date: Sat, 10 May 97 19:30:49 PDT
From: MAKE THAT VISION A REALITY <ABARROW@rr5.rr.intel.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: Request for recipes
Message-ID: <9705110230.utk24924@RR5.intel.com>
Sean:
Let me know if you have the recipes. I would love to try cooking them too. I
hope you still have my personal e-mail.
Brother,
Pa-Abdou
Albuquerque
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