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GAMBIA-L Digest 43
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Ebou Jallow`s Case
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
2) Re: demystifying the Myth
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
3) Re: demystifying the Myth
by MJawara@aol.com
4) RE:REPUBLIC OF THE GAMBIA VS EBOU JALLOW
by JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
5) FOOD FOR THOUGHT
by "ALPHA ROBINSON" <GAROB1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
6) New Member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
7) New Members, etc.
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
8) research associate position (fwd)
by njie.1@osu.edu (N'Deye Marie Njie)
9) new member
by njie.1@osu.edu (N'Deye Marie Njie)
10) More Open Position Announcements (fwd)
by njie.1@osu.edu (N'Deye Marie Njie)
11) Dr. Darboe's $24.7 Million Question
by Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
12) The $24.7 million question
by Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
13) forwaring Fatou Khan's posting
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
14) Re: new member
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
15) THE THREE STEPS BACKWARD
by Yaya Jallow <yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
16) Re: Republic of Gambia VS. Ebou Jallow
by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu>
17) New member
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
18) UDP conditions
by Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
19) More light on the Jammeh-Jallow Financial deal????(from Dr.
Darboe)
by Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
20) Re: Dr. Darboe's $24.7 Million Question
by "Inqs." <nfaal@is2.dal.ca>
21) Re: UDP conditions
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
22) Re: UDP conditons
by JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
23) SIERRA LEONE-POLITICS: Rewards for Repentant Rebels
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
24) Re:Swiss bank scandal
by Kevin Connors <kconnors@igc.apc.org>
25) Re: THE FARAFANNI INCIDENT
by SillahB@aol.com
26) Re: UDP conditions -Reply
by Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu>
27) Re:Swiss bank scandal
by "ALPHA ROBINSON" <GAROB1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
28) Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
by JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
29) Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
by TSaidy1050@aol.com
30) Re: Republic of Gambia VS. Ebou Jallow
by Francis Njie <francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com>
31) Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
by "BEYAI" <P.L.Beyai@newcastle.ac.uk>
32) Re: UDP conditions -Reply
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
33) Re: UDP conditions
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
34) Re: UDP conditions -Reply
by Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
35) Swiss Bank Scandal
by Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
36) Re: UDP conditions
by Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
37) Re: UDP conditions
by "Famara A. Sanyang" <famaraas@amadeus.cmi.no>
38) Re: Swiss Bank Scandal
by "Famara A. Sanyang" <famaraas@amadeus.cmi.no>
39) Introduction
by Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu>
40) Re: Introduction
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
41) Re: Swiss Bank Scandal
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
42) Re: UDP conditions
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
43) Re: Introduction
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
44) Re: Swiss Bank Scandal
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
45) A pleasure ...
by Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
46) Re: UDP conditions
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
47) The Dangers of Ignorance
by Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
48) Re: A pleasure ...
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
49) Re: The Dangers of Ignorance
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
50) DV-98 LOTTERY ISSUE
by ndarboe@olemiss.edu
51) Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
by ahmed tijan deen <tijan@wam.umd.edu>
52) Re: A pleasure ...
by "Famara A. Sanyang" <famaraas@amadeus.cmi.no>
53) Re: UDP conditions -Reply
by ahmed tijan deen <tijan@wam.umd.edu>
54) Jobs/grants/internships!!!!(fwd)
by njie.1@osu.edu (N'Deye Marie Njie)
55) Re: Introduction -Reply
by Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu>
56) Mailing list
by CDac@aol.com
57) Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
by "ALPHA ROBINSON" <GAROB1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
58) Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
by "ALPHA ROBINSON" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
59) Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
by TSaidy1050@aol.com
60) Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
61) Communication
by Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
62) Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
63) Unsubscribe Chris da Costa
by sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
64) Re: Introduction -Reply
by njie.1@osu.edu (N'Deye Marie Njie)
65) new membership...
by C_JAGNE@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA
66) New Member
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
67) new member
by BEESEY@aol.com
68) Fwd: SIERRA LEONE-POLITICS: Hope for Peace?
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
69) MY COMMENTARY ON THE EBOU JALLOW CASE
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
70) Re: Communication
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
71) Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
72) MY COMMENTARY ON THE EBOU JALLOW CASE
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
73) [Fwd: MY COMMENTARY ON THE EBOU JALLOW CASE]
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
74) Americans in Senegal warned to be careful (fwd)
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
75) Fwd(2): SIERRA LEONE-POLITICS: Hope for Peace? //correction//
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
76) Re: MY COMMENTARY ON THE EBOU JALLOW CASE
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
77) Re: Introduction
by mmjeng@inform-bbs.dk (Matarr Jeng)
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:21:23 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Ebou Jallow`s Case
Message-ID: <199611170813.RAA18115@mlsv.iuj.ac.jp>
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Gambia-l,
How much speculation has been made on the "Ebou Jallow Case"?. I am
not aware of people in our midst writing statements that can be
considered speculative. Maybe I am wrong.
Alpha, thanks for throwing more light on PIEC's jurisdiction and I
hope opposition parties are able to field in enough candidates.
Otherwise, the blame will rest first on PIEC for the hike before we
look elsewhere. If this increase is not the making of PIEC and if it
is true that most Gambians are dissatisfied with it, then PIEC ought
to let the Gambain people know who initiated the fee increase.
Lamin.
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:40:18 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: demystifying the Myth
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ALPHA ROBINSON wrote:
>
> I have been following the discussions in the list with keen interest.
> I feel the urge to write to clear the thick clouds of
> misinformation looming over cyberspace trying to confuse the fine
> curios minds in search of the truth. In this humble contribution I
> wish to throw light on some myths surrounding the PIEC, the electoral
> process and the democratic process in the Gambia in general. But
> first allow me to quote Abdulrahman Mohamed Babu (may his soul rest
> in peace). In his postscript to Walter Rodney's book "How Europe
> Underdeveloped Africa", Babu wrote: "If by looking into the past we
> have known the present, to know the future we must look into the past
> and the present. Our action must be related to our concrete
> experience and we must not give way to metaphysical hopes and wishes-
> hoping and wishing that the monster who has been after us throughout
> our history will some day change into a lamb, he won't. Freedom of
> the will..means nothing but the capacity to make decisions with
> knowledge on the subject. We know the subject only too well, and he
> is a monster. Do we have the capacity to make a decision..? The
> people must answer"
>
> This text was written in a different context, but it bears relevance
> to Africa today more than ever before. Indeed we know the subject too
> well! This is why Toni wrote "I cannot prove it but my instincts tell
> me that this was not the PIEC'S unilateral decision" (referring to the
> increase of deposit for candidates). We know it so well that it forms
> part of our instincts. The winter sleep is long over. So who increased
> the deposit of candidates from 200 to 5000 Dalasis?
>
> The Chairman of the Provisional Independent Electoral Commission
> (PIEC) Mr. G. J. Roberts wrote in a letter dated October 28 1996
> addressed to Mr. Sidia Sagnia, senior administrative secretary of
> the United Democratic Party (UDP), in response to the conditions put
> forward by that Party (see UDP Conditions in the list): " Before
> commenting on the content of the letter, I would like to restate that
> the Provisional Independent Electoral Commission was created under
> Decree NO.62, with the mandate to conduct elections, including the
> referendum, during the transitional period, culminating in the
> election to the National Assembly and the setting up of an
> Independent Electoral Commission under the new Constitution. It's
> function are guided by the Elections Decree, 1996 (Decree No.78) and
> other related decrees promulgated by the AFPRC. The PIEC does not
> have the power to go beyond the provisions in the decree".
>
> The Election Decree promulgated by the then AFPRC is therefore
> clearly RESPONSIBLE for the increase of the the deposit to be paid by
> candidates from 200 to 5000 Dalasis and NOT the PIEC! The new
> constitution on its part never made mention of 5000 Dalasis
> deposit and is not yet in force anyway since president Jammeh was
> sworn in according to Decree 95. The separation of the 2 Elections
> has no influence whatsoever on the sum nor did the PIEC ever claim
> that the increase was undertaken in order to finance its activities.
> If anything, the separation of the 2 Elections is most likely an
> attempt to initiate what lies in the new Constitution, according to
> which Parliamentary Elections are to be held 3 months after the date
> of election to office of the president.
> There were attempts to reverse this decision from concerned circles
> in the Gambia, but to no avail. The PIEC also attempted to push the
> Presidential Elections to a later date in order to allow candidates
> more time to prepare for the Election, but did not succeed. Its
> decision to allow contesting parties equal coverage on Television
> and over Radio Gambia during the campaige period of the
> Presidential Elections was also nullified.
>
> In my opinion, the PIEC has not made secret its desire to remain
> truly independent while trying to make the best out of its
> restricted powers. In the same letter quoted earlier Mr. Roberts
> wrote: " If any political party violates any directions of the
> commission, the party can be deregisterd or derecognised. But if the
> incumbent government refuses to comply with any directions or
> disregards any regulation framed by the Commission, the options
> available for it are either to call off the Elections or to proceed
> with the Elections in the best possible manner it can, after
> expressing its protest to the government and informing the public
> about it. The PIEC has no powers of coersion". The point is very
> clear!
>
> Of course the high deposit of 5000 Dalasis per candidate has a very
> clear influence on the forthcoming Elections. Putting aside the UDP
> whose conditions are very unlikely to be met, the deposit burden is
> the limiting factor for other parties' participation. The NRP has so
> far announced 3 candidates. Its leader Mr. Hamat Bah was reported
> saying that his party cannot shoulder the financial burden. PDOIS has
> so far announced 9 candidates but is hoping to put up more, depending
> on how much more it can afford to be stretched financially. The APRC
> is expected to put up candidates everywhere. So far the leaders were
> not heard complaining about high deposits. The newly formed Party,
> has not yet made any public statements concerning its number of
> candidates. This is the true picture of the forthcoming Elections in
> which the legislative arm, i.e those who shall be empowered to make
> laws for the country and dismiss the president from office when
> necessary shall be elected.
>
> In a closing note I would like to emphasize the importance of having
> gambian newspapers on the net. That would certainly help to clarify
> things and dispel rumours and false informations and if well
> arranged, the views on the net may be transmitted to the readers at
> home, thus bridging the gap. As we are marching towards a new
> millenium in which the people of the world seem to be asking for
> nothing less than what belongs to them: the power to controll their
> lives, their minds and their resources, no person can stop the sun
> from shining. To uphold otherwise is to err, for the people will
> answer.
>
> Thanks for reading through.
>
> Alpha
Alpha!!
All of us know that no commission can sufficiently coerce an incumbent
government, but that is not what we are expecting. What we are expecting
is an electoral commission that would be decent,
courageous,nationalistic and dignified enough to tender its resignation
when the government has flouted the rules with impunity. There is no
government that can,credibility wise,afford two or three Electoral
Commissions tendering their resignations.So,if your suggestion that the
Commmisson is not happy about the degree of independence they have is
correct,then what is the moral justification
for its members to still be in this job?!
All we want is to be able to Hire and Fire our leaders; and since many
human societies all around the globe have been able to achieve that,
there can be nothing metaphysical about wanting that in the the Gambia
also.It may or may not be achieved now, but achieve, it will and must;as
surely as the Shining Sun you referred to.
Regards Basss!!!
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:33:41 -0500
From: MJawara@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: demystifying the Myth
Message-ID: <961117073340_604186231@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Alpha, I agree with much of what you said, but don't you think members of the
PIEC ought to resign rather than "....make the best out of its restrictive
powers".Apparently, the " best" they provided or are providing benefits one
side---- hence, we question " its desire to remain truly independent ".
After posting news reports and commenting on developments in Gambia with
regards to the release of some detainees and the shoot out at the Farrafenni
barracks, Tombong is strangely silent on the " Mother of all scandals-----
The Jammeh / Jallow Swiss Gate ".
Perhaps Mr. Saidy, the busiest Gambian diplomat has more pressing needs to
attend :)
SOLDIERS WITH A DIFFERENCE / VENGEANCE....A movie in the making starring :
Lieutenant Yaya Jammeh July ' 94 - Dec.' 94
Captain Yaya Jammeh Dec. ' 94 - Sept. ' 96
Skip by EXECUTIVE Order the rank of Major
Retired Colonel Yaya Jammeh Sept ' 96 .....
Just when I thought we wouldn't see another Field Marshall Idi Amin Dada or
Emperor Bokasa, here comes " his holliness" multimillionaire Retired Colonel
Yaya A.J.J.Jammeh.Building a mosque ( Yaya Jammeh Mosque ) in State House has
made him a " devout muslim"
Musa Kebba Jawara
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:13:43 -0600 (CST)
From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE:REPUBLIC OF THE GAMBIA VS EBOU JALLOW
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Tombong, this is musa Bassadi here and I would like to make a brief comments
regarding the JAMMEH/JALLOW Swiss scandal but this time I do not expect an
answer from you.I know that you have already been prodded by list members to
break your eloquent silence on the matter; for my part I want to urge you to
remain silent and let your Boss the mighty Jammeh to do the talking. Friends,
with all fairness to our distinguished diplomat Mr. Saidy, this matter is beyondhim. However, Tombong you will be foolish to come to your Boss' defence on this
one.
One thing is going well for Jammeh though, he has power and he knows how to
apply it on his subjects...a devastating prove of sheer naivete on the part
of Gambian and members of this list are no exception. With this I mean we don't
engage national issues such as the Swiss saga and deliberate on them
effectively. It is fair to say that the Jawara administration also exploited thesame weaknesses of Gambians which led to their outstanding electoral success
over the years...If we are to claim that we belong to the thriving democratic
nations in the new millenium, then it is about time we changed our attitudes
and start thinking a new. Unfortunately, had the previous administration
inculcated into the minds of the average Gambian, the basic tenets of democracy
in which the people engage one another in genuine discussions...no corrupt
polician or leader could get away with a scandal of this magnitude without
facing the verbal lynching of the Gambian people. Remember folks, president
Nixon had to leave office ignominiously on matters that are less serious than
this in my opinion.
As Gambians, we have to understand that this episode.. for lack of a better termgoes beyond our borders and descending through the ears of bureacrats in the
World Bank and the IMF. Given the above proviso, these institution have very
little respect, if any, for black Africa as a whole.
This scandal would not augur well for the Gambia in the international community,at a time when we urgently need their assistance to jump-start the economy
after two years of anaemic growth or fair to say stagnation.
GAMBIA-L, LET US ENGAGE THE ISSUES AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM HERE: TO COMMUNITY
OR DEGRADATION !
NOTE: ...these institutions..
MUSA BASSADI
VANDERBILT.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:01:32 + 0100 MET
From: "ALPHA ROBINSON" <GAROB1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
To: Gambia-L@u.washington.edu
Subject: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Message-ID: <20CDE6A0A8D@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
Dear Bass,
I read your mail with keen interest. This is not a reply as
time does not allow me to elaborate at the moment. Please consider
the following question:
- If the PIEC should resign and opposition parties boycott the
Elections where does Gambia go from there?
- When the going really gets tough (for no innocent head will expect
the APRC to submit itself like a lamb) where will you and I and all
those who call for boycott be?
- Does the country really have a common agenda around which everyone
shall rally?
- Is the Gambia really united ( the army, the language groups, those
who benefited from the old regime vs those who enjoy today etc.
etc.)?
- How do you expect the centre to hold?
- What alternative do you suggest for the Gambia?
Hope these will serve as food for thought for everyone.
Much respect.
Regards,
Alpha
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:45:36 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New Member
Message-ID: <19961118154725.AAA6616@LOCALNAME>
Amadou,
Please add Mr. Garba Diallo to the list, he is a friend from
Mauritania and teaching at the International Peoples College here.
His e-mail is:- GDiallo@dk-online.dk
Peace
Momodou Camara
*******************************************************
URL http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:00:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New Members, etc.
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Gambia-l:
Two new members have been added: Christopher Foxwell and Garba Diallo.
As is customary, we expect intros from them. BTW, many new members are
yet to send us formal intros. We can't compel any one to do so. But
I suggest we post a listing of the membership from time to time so that
many of the regular contributors won't feel too lonely in cyberspace.
Just an idea!
Salaam!
Amadou Scattred-Janneh
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:34:54 -0600
From: njie.1@osu.edu (N'Deye Marie Njie)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: research associate position (fwd)
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>Folks,
>
>here's an opportunity for those of you looking for funding for graduate
>school!!
>
>
>>> POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT
>>>
>>>Position: Research Associate (12 months minimum)
>>>
>>>Responsibilities and Opportunities:
>>>
>>> The successful applicant will work as a key player in an
>>>industry-funded field investigation relating to indoor air quality,
>>>air pollution from agricultural operations and environmental control
>>>of livestock buildings. Responsibilities involve oversight of PC-based
>>>acquisition of data from gas sensors including environmental GCs, ammonia,
>>>hydrogen sulfide, and carbon dioxide, temperature, humidity, static pressure;
>>>wind speed and direction; dust sampling; data analysis; report writing; and
>>>preparation of journal manuscripts. The position offers opportunities to
>>>be a part of a multidisciplinary research team including University faculty,
>>>private consultants, industrial scientists, and full-time field research
>>assistants.
>>>The Agricultural and Biological Engineering Department has excellent
>>>computing
>>>facilities and a strong program in air quality and air pollution. The
>>department
>>>was recently ranked third in the nation by the U.S. News and World Report.
>>>
>>>Qualifications:
>>>
>>> Master's or doctorate in engineering or related field. Ph.D
>>>students and
>>> post-doctorates are encouraged to apply. The following skills and
>>interests
>>> are required:
>>>
>>> 1. Working knowledge of PC's and data acquisition system software.
>>> 2. Working knowledge of instrumentation and computer interfaces.
>>> 3. Ability to analyze, interpret and report research data.
>>> 4. Ability to work in a team environment.
>>> 5. Interest and experience in building environment and air quality.
>>>
>>>Salary: $25,000 to $30,000 (plus fringe benefits) depending on
>>>qualifications
>>>
>>>Closing Date for Applications: November 25, 1996 or until position is
>>filled
>>>
>>>Application Materials:
>>> Letter of interest, resume, official academic transcripts, and
>>> names, addresses and phone numbers of three references.
>>>
>>>For More Information, Contact:
>>> Dr. Albert J. Heber, P.E., Associate Professor
>>> Agricultural and Biological Engineering Department
>>> 1146 ABE, Purdue University
>>> West Lafayette, IN 47907-1146
>>> Phone: 317-494-1214 FAX: 317-496-1115 e-mail: heber@ecn.purdue.edu
>>>
>>>Purdue University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer.
>>>
>>>
>>>----- End Included Message -----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:44:58 -0600
From: njie.1@osu.edu (N'Deye Marie Njie)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: ndramme@wpo.it.luc.edu
Subject: new member
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Hi Tony/Sarian/Abdou,
Please add a good friend of mine's to the newsgroup. Her name is Ndey
Drammeh and her e-mail address is ndramme@wpo.it.luc.edu. Thanks!!!
N'Deye Marie
-----------------------
N'Deye Marie N'Jie
Graduate Associate
Dept of Food, Agricultural & Biological Engineering
The Ohio State University
614/688-3445 (W); <njie.1@osu.edu>
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:00:30 -0600
From: njie.1@osu.edu (N'Deye Marie Njie)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu, africans@iastate.edu
Subject: More Open Position Announcements (fwd)
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>>
>>Please make the announcement below available to the appropriate people in
>>your department.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>Carl Griffis
>>Bio and Ag Engr
>>Univ of Ark
>>
>>________________________________
>>POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT
>>--- Administrative Approval Pending ---
>>
>>
>>Full-Time Research Specialist
>>Biological and Agricultural Engineering Department
>>University of Arkansas, Fayetteville, AR
>>
>>
>>POSITION DESCRIPTION:
>>This is a non-degree-seeking full-time research position. The person filling
>>this position will be responsible for conducting engineering research in the
>>area of robotics and machine vision in the processing of poultry products.
>>Primary responsibilities will center on the development of robotic motion
>>algorithms for removal of meat cuts from poultry carcasses, interfacing
>>machine vision components with the robot, evaluation of water-jet cutting
>>devices, and comparing microbial contamination among innovative and
>>conventional systems. The position will include significant interaction
>>with technical personnel at major poultry processing companies, in the
>>context of the University of Arkansas Center for Food Processing and
>>Engineering. Specific responsibilities will include procuring and operating
>>scientific equipment and instrumentation, designing and conducting
>>laboratory experiments, computer/robot programming (C language), and
>>preparing and presenting reports and manuscripts.
>>
>>QUALIFICATIONS:
>>The candidate should have an M.S. in Biological/Agricultural Engineering or
>>closely related discipline; however, candidates with a B.S. and suitable
>>experience will be considered. Experience in computer programming (C
>>language) is highly desirable. Laboratory or food processing plant
>>experience is desired. The applicant must have demonstrated communication
>>(written and oral) and interpersonal skills. Applicant must have proof of
>>legal authority to work in the United States.
>>
>>SALARY:
>>Commensurate with experience and qualifications. Full-time with university
>>benefits. Continued employment depends upon continued grant funding.
>>
>>APPLICATION:
>>A letter of application indicating applicant's short- and long-term career
>>goals, a complete resume, university transcripts, and a minimum of three
>>names, addresses, and phone numbers of references should be sent to:
>>
>>Dr. Joel T. Walker, Professor, P.E.
>>Biological and Agricultural Engineering Dept.
>>203 Engineering Hall
>>University of Arkansas
>>Fayetteville, AR 72701
>>Phone: (501) 575-2351
>>e-mail: jtw@engr.uark.edu
>>
>>CLOSING DATE:
>>December 15, 1996 or until qualified candidate is selected.
>>
>>The University of Arkansas is an Affirmative-Action/Equal Opportunity
>>Employer.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:52:10 -0800
From: Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Dr. Darboe's $24.7 Million Question
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The judgement in the case of the Republic of Gambia V Mr. Ebou Jallow,
from a court in Swizerland last month, in which Mr Jallow prevailed, raises
many questions.
1) The judgement made a mention of $20 million, but did not clarify in whose
account or where the said amount was deposited;
2) Who summoned the Swiss Banker to travel to Gambia to open a personal
account for Yahya Jammeh?
3) Where did Yahya Jammeh get $4.7 million deposited in his persoanl account
in less than one year after he took power?
4) Why did Yahya Jammeh authorize Ebou Jallow to transfer $3,000,000 from
his account to that of Ebou Jallow.
5) Since the monies in question were in the personal ac****s of Yahya jammeh
and Ebou Jallow, why was the Republic of The Gambia named plaintiff in the case?
6) How much was the lawyer who represented the Gambia government paid and
where did that money come from?
7) Did the other council members of AFPRC know these financial transactions
or was this strictly an Ebou Jallow- Yahya Jammeh deal?
8) If the $24.7 million belonged to the people of The Gambia, who made the
determination that the sum was safer in the personal accounts of Yayha
Jammeh and Ebou Jallow than in the Central Bank of The Gambia?
The people of the Gambia have the right to ask and demand answers to
these questions. We must remember that Yahya Jammeh justified his overthrow
of the Jawara Regime with the claim to rid Gambia government and society of
rampant corruption. He also takes pride in his government for being
accountable and transparent.
Tombong has been very good in helping The Gambia-L members keep
abreast with the information about the Farafenni incident and we are
grateful. Perhaps, he can also help enlighten us on this $24.7 million
question.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:57:27 -0500
From: Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: The $24.7 million question
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Basssss,
Your contributions on the list on various issues have been very
insightful and I am sure we are all very appreciative. Accordingly, I am
anxious to read your comments about the $24.7 million question.
-yama
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:18:53 -0500 (EST)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: forwaring Fatou Khan's posting
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I think that the UDP's demands are reasonable and if Jammeh is
aiming towards a democratic government he would not hesistate to meet
these conditions.What seems to amaze me is the fact that we still
have the NIA's.I could understand it in a millitary government of
paranoia but in a so called democratic government,Please!
What do they actually do?The last time I heard they were searching
peoples homes for bleaching creams(very important tasks Ha!)
I think it is time for president Jammeh's advisers to tell him to
lose the NIA.
One of my professors asked me if the Gambia is a democratic country
and I told him that we have the perfect version of african
democracy.You do everything in your power to hold to your office
until you die if the millitary do not overtake power.He looked
strangely at me for a moment and said "okay"
Have a nice weekend everybody.
FATOU
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:53:47 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: new member
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Ndey Drammeh has been added. We welcome her and will look forward to her
introduction and contributions.
Thanks
Tony
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100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
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On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, N'Deye Marie Njie wrote:
> Hi Tony/Sarian/Abdou,
>
> Please add a good friend of mine's to the newsgroup. Her name is Ndey
> Drammeh and her e-mail address is ndramme@wpo.it.luc.edu. Thanks!!!
>
> N'Deye Marie
>
> -----------------------
> N'Deye Marie N'Jie
> Graduate Associate
> Dept of Food, Agricultural & Biological Engineering
> The Ohio State University
> 614/688-3445 (W); <njie.1@osu.edu>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:39:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Yaya Jallow <yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: THE THREE STEPS BACKWARD
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Fellas,
I wanna welcome all our new members. I have been dormant for some
time now due to some extraneous circumstances.
Well, fellow gambians, now we know why Jammeh and cohorts overthrew the
former regime. To get a piece of the Gambian pie as soon as possible,
schedule a hastily election that is fundamentally flawed, assume a facade
of legitimate power and continue to milk the Gambian people into the
future. Of course, I'm talking in relation to the Swiss bank scandal. I
join all other Gambians who have voiced their concerns on this matter, to
demand a straight face explanation from Tycoon Jammeh. Otherwise, we might
as well kiss our young democracy good bye. Corruption, my dear friends, is
the root cause of our political and economic underdevelopment. Unless
it is stopped, we are doomed to poverty, backwardness and political
chaos. This is why I have vehemently argued against entrusting any one
single aspect of our nation's economy to government bureaucrats and
politicians.
Good day
Yaya
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:55:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Republic of Gambia VS. Ebou Jallow
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I think that the question we should all be asking is how did President
Jammeh get that amount of money in less than two years. That is what I
call transparency and accountability.
**********************************************
* Anna Secka *
* 312 Barnum Hall *
* University of Bridgeport *
* Bridgeport, CT 06604 *
* Email: secka@cse.bridgeport.edu *
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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Francis Njie wrote:
>
> I am also very curious about the origin of the document. Where did it come
> from mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu ?
>
> - Francis
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:13:17 JST +900
> Reply-To: binta@iuj.ac.jp
> Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu
> From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List"
> <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Republic of Gambia VS. Ebou Jallow
> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961114184827.00667ea4@mail.shepherd.wvnet.edu>
> X-Mailer: AIR MAIL for Windows (V1.6)
> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
>
> Gambia-l,
>
> What do we make of the Geneva ruling? I am confounded by the
> revelations, or am I reading too much into it? Do we have to first
> doubt the authenticity of the report? If all what is in it must be
> taken at face value, which I am doing now, then we are doomed.
>
> What do others think? This is one of the issues that most deserves
> our attention.
>
> On a different note, soliciting money for parties is fine. However,
> will that solve this D200,000 election fee problem? Famara, you are
> right but I do not think the PIEC or AFPRC saw the fee hike as a way
> of consolidating the opposition parties. The hike has the potential of
> diminishing opposition representation in parliament. I do not also
> want to believe that separating the two elections works to the
> advantage of Gambian voters. I will elaborate on this at a more
> suitable time.
>
> Mr. M. Darbo, is the ruling on the Ebou Jallow case available to
> Gambians in the Gambia? I mean newspapers, Bar Association, religious
> bodies and all others? This stuff ought to reach all Gambians.
>
> Lamin.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> Furthermore, because I have no political affiliation, political figures and
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>
>
>
> francis_njie@swissbank.com
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>
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:07:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
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Gambia-l:
Ndey Drammeh added; thanks to N'Deye Marie.
Peace!
Amadou
Scattred-Janneh
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:13:35 -0800
From: Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: UDP conditions
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961102205542.1b8f7444@mail.shepherd.wvnet.edu>
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Reactions of the UDP conditions to participate in the upcoming parliamentary
elections included suggestions by some list members that the conditions are
evidence of the of the party's and leadership's immaturity. Others proposed
that the UDP should not allow the APRC candidates to run unopposed. The
former reaction seems too personal and emotion laden for a rational
response. The latter on the otherhand, can be rationally argued.
The latter suggestion assumes that the presidential elections were
fair and free of fraud. The united Nations, the OAU, the U.S, The Carter
Center, the commonwealth Secretarait and the UDP believe differently. That
being the case, it would be follish for the UDP to participate in the
elections without the being assured that the they will be fair and free of
fraud. The conditions are efforts to achieve or assure the end. Why
contest an election if losing is inevitably predictable.
Remember that the UDP gave the AFPRC government the benefit of the
doubt contrary to the skepticism of the international community by
partcipating in the presidential elections. Unfortunately, the
international community was proved right. Why subscribe to the illegitimate
and undemocratic efforts of the AFPRC to civilianize and legitimize
themselves??????????????????
-yama
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:50:37 -0800
From: Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: More light on the Jammeh-Jallow Financial deal????(from Dr.
Darboe)
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The following is a letter Ebou Jallow sent to the Gambian Press and the
internatioanl media, on the 23rd October, 1995, to enlighten all of us on
the Swiss Bank accounts scandal. Personally, his accounts of the
transactions confused than enlightened me. This is, however, understandable
since he carefully avoided to mention his own account and "take". The story
nonetheless is interesting and should further force Jammeh to tell his side.
You be the judge:
To the Gambian Press abd the International Media
Dear Sir,
I would like to enlighten the general public on the allegations made
on the electronic and print media on Friday October 20, 1995 concerning
transfers to an account with the CREDIT LYONNAIS, SUISSE SA to Mr. Phillippe
Bidawid. The amount involved is rightly quoted as $3,000,000 (three million
US dollars). The transfer was effected by the CENTRAL BANK OF GAMBIA based
on the instruction from the office of the Chairman- REFERENCE AFRPRC/100
DATED 4 SEPTEMBER 1995. I was instructed by the CHAIRMAN OF THE ARMED
FORCES PROVISIONAL RULING COUNCIL (AFPRC) CAPTAIN YAHYA JAMMEH the following
day to proceed to Geneva and administer some business deals which he
described as classified and of natioanl security concern. He instructed me
to withdraw $100,000(one hundred thousand US dollars) from his persoanl
ACCOUNT NUMBER... 00.12854.6.002001, CODE 1960.. CREDIT LYONNAIS, SUISSE SA
to be reimbursed to this account whenever the 3 million US dollars is
available. Phillippe called the Chairman to confirm and double check with
him on my authority to receive the money. The chairman authorized him to
pay the cash to me thereon.
I received the $2,900,000 (two million nine hundred dollars) that
day and paid $1,000,000( one million dollars) to his business dealers upon
his instruction on the 14th of September 1995. In return, his business
partners gave me three heavy cases and two seales bottled chemicals. Two
days later, I hired a CHALLENGER AIRCRAFT FROM AEROLEASING SWISS COMPANY at
the Geneva airport costing 71 thousand US dollars($71,000) which I took and
flew to Yundum International Airport arriving about 1200hrs midnight. From
there, direct from the airport, I was escorted direct to the Chairman's
sitting room in the State House where I DELIVERED ALL THE MONEY, THE THREE
CASES AND THE CHEMICALS. Later during the conversation at the State House,
the Chairman opened the cases which were sealed and showed me some
counterfeit 100 dollar bills which he confessed were supposed to be
processed with $2,000,000.00(two million US dollars--real notes) in order to
produce $10,000,000.00( ten million US dollars) and said that the
technicians were coming from Europe around the 30th September 1995.
Until the day I resigned I did not know anything about this
operation code-named GREEN MEDICINE. Since my resignation, I have been
receiving death threats should I ever make this information public
knowledge. I greatly honour and trust the intelligence of the Gambian
public to deliver this sound judgement.
Thank you all peace loving people.
23rd October, 1995 (CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW)
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:05:23 -0400 (AST)
From: "Inqs." <nfaal@is2.dal.ca>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Dr. Darboe's $24.7 Million Question
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.961119125942.54006F-100000@is2.dal.ca>
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I just wanted to say thanks for voicing the concerns of most of us
list-members, but somehow i doubt that we will get the answers we seek.
Our APRC representative has shown tremendous skill in avoiding questions
that are potenetially damaging to his propaganda scheme. or is it as he
said, what he wanted to say has already been said by the list-members.
Then again, with the 20 emails that he has to reply to daily, the issue
of accountability and transparency in his party, must come way down on the
priority list.....
On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Yama Darboe wrote:
> The judgement in the case of the Republic of Gambia V Mr. Ebou Jallow,
> from a court in Swizerland last month, in which Mr Jallow prevailed, raises
> many questions.
>
> 1) The judgement made a mention of $20 million, but did not clarify in whose
> account or where the said amount was deposited;
>
> 2) Who summoned the Swiss Banker to travel to Gambia to open a personal
> account for Yahya Jammeh?
>
> 3) Where did Yahya Jammeh get $4.7 million deposited in his persoanl account
> in less than one year after he took power?
>
> 4) Why did Yahya Jammeh authorize Ebou Jallow to transfer $3,000,000 from
> his account to that of Ebou Jallow.
>
> 5) Since the monies in question were in the personal ac****s of Yahya jammeh
> and Ebou Jallow, why was the Republic of The Gambia named plaintiff in the case?
>
> 6) How much was the lawyer who represented the Gambia government paid and
> where did that money come from?
>
> 7) Did the other council members of AFPRC know these financial transactions
> or was this strictly an Ebou Jallow- Yahya Jammeh deal?
>
> 8) If the $24.7 million belonged to the people of The Gambia, who made the
> determination that the sum was safer in the personal accounts of Yayha
> Jammeh and Ebou Jallow than in the Central Bank of The Gambia?
>
> The people of the Gambia have the right to ask and demand answers to
> these questions. We must remember that Yahya Jammeh justified his overthrow
> of the Jawara Regime with the claim to rid Gambia government and society of
> rampant corruption. He also takes pride in his government for being
> accountable and transparent.
>
> Tombong has been very good in helping The Gambia-L members keep
> abreast with the information about the Farafenni incident and we are
> grateful. Perhaps, he can also help enlighten us on this $24.7 million
> question.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:42:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: UDP conditions
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Gambia-l:
What aspect of the political playing field has changed since the UDP decided
to join the game? Were UDP leaders not aware of the fraudulent nature of the
political process even before they threw their hats into the presidential
contest? Is it just now that the UDP realized it may have contributed to
the regime's efforts to legitimize itself through fraud and intimidation?
Answers, anyone?
Salaam!
Amadou Scattred-Janneh
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:35:44 -0600 (CST)
From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: UDP conditons
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Amadou, I believe you pointed your finger on the right question to be asked
of the UDC leadership. But, what is the alternative to the general question
that should be a point of concern to us all. That is.....NO VIABLE OPPOSITION
TO JAMMEH WITH HIS NEFARIOUS AGENDA WHERE DO WE HEAD TO AS A NATION, ONCE
AGAIN: TO COMMUNITY OR DISASTER ?
VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION ISN'T IT ?
MUSA BASSADI
VANDERBILT.
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Date: 19 Nov 1996 21:12:31 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: SIERRA LEONE-POLITICS: Rewards for Repentant Rebels
Message-ID: <829243100.95526321@inform-bbs.dk>
Copyright 1996 Inter Press Service.
All rights reserved. Distribution via MISANET.
*** 19-Nov-96 ***
SIERRA LEONE-POLITICS: Rewards for Repentant Rebels
by Lansana Fofana
FREETOWN, Nov 19 (IPS) - In a desperate bid to curb resurgent
violence in Sierra Leone, the country's civilian governmen
t is offering incentives to rebels who surrender.
''We encourage people behind rebel lines, including
combattants, to come out of the bush and put down their
weapons,'
' Information and Broadcasting Minister George Banda-Thomas said
at the weekend.
He said President Ahmed Tejan Kabbah's government was
offering cash rewards and jobs in the army and police to rebels
and their supporters who gave themselves up.
''There are five centres scattered in the north, south and
east of the country where former combattants and rebel sym
pathisers could turn in their weapons,'' said Banda-Thomas,
whose statement was broadcast on state radio and television.
The government's offer came in the wake of intensified
attacks by the rebel Revolutionary United Front (RUF) in the n
orth and southeast of the country. Most of the raids have been
against farming settlements and vehicles on highways lea
ding to the provinces.
The RUF, which started its insurgency in 1991, had declared a
two-month cease-fire in March this year.
At talks in April in Abidjan with Tejan Kabba's government,
which replaced Sierra Leone's former military regime foll
owing elections in March, the RUF agreed to extend the cease-
fire.
About a month ago, however, the fragile cease-fire was
breached and the brutal maimings, torture and killings, allege
dly committed by the rebels and by renegade soldiers called
'Sobels', resumed.
This diminished the government's hopes for a negotiated
settlement of the conflict, denting Tejan Kabba's campaign pr
omise to bring the war ''to an early end.''
The escalation of the fighting has also led the Sierra
Leonean president to go on a nation-wide tour to familiarise h
imself with developments, meet victims' families and boost the
morale of government troops.
Kabbah's new strategy of using incentives to encourage the
insurgents to give themselves up appears to have won him t
he sympathy of many people here, including some of its
opponents.
''I hope the rebels accept the general amnesty declared by
the government and come out of the bush. I think the offer
is quite encouraging,'' said Michael Demby, an opposition
politician based in the capital.
Some RUF combattants and sympathisers also seem to have been
convinced by the government's position and are trooping
from the bush to claim the unspecified cash rewards and other
benefits. But this may also be due to setbacks suffered re
cently by the RUF, such as the defection of top officials,
including Dr. Abdulai Wi, a medic who treated rebel casualtie
s.
''I think the president is genuinely committed to the peace
process,'' says political scientist Umar Korom of the un
iversity of Sierra Leone. ''What I doubt is rebel leader Foday
Sankoh's commitment. He doesn't seem to have total contro
l of his men and so anarchy may ensue.''
So far government has agreed to Sankoh's offer to visit his
fighters in the bush in December and convince them to lay
down their weapons, provided his security is guaranteed by UN,
Organisation of African Unity (OAU) and Economic Communi
ty of West Africa (ECOWAS) troops.
Sankoh is currently in Abidjan.
Apart from stopping the bloodletting here, peace would allow
desperately needed reconstruction and development initia
tives to kick off. So far, donors have failed to provide the 211
million dollars the government has requested for quick
action to restore a semblance of normalcy here.
(end/ips/lf/jm/kb/96)
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:14:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Connors <kconnors@igc.apc.org>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu,
"GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re:Swiss bank scandal
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Would someone please recap the scandal involving Jammmeh and the Swiss
bank...I seemed to have missed what is going on and I am very curious.
Abaraka baake.
Kevin Connors
The earth does not belong to us...we belong to the earth
Peace
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:06:30 -0500
From: SillahB@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: THE FARAFANNI INCIDENT
Message-ID: <961119210630_1284678357@emout05.mail.aol.com>
Tombong,
Could these guys be Freedom Fighters instead of Bandits!!!
Sorry, I may be replying to an old posting but whatever...
By the way I was in London last week tried to catch a glimpse of you but no
avail....
Peace
Baboucarr Sillah
Atlanta
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:18:43 -0600
From: Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu>
To: AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us, gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: UDP conditions -Reply
Message-ID: <s29269bf.030@wpo.it.luc.edu>
Gambia L
The UDP members risk thier lives to try to restore peace, justice and
freedom to the Gambia by contesting in the presidential elections. Rather
than blame them for legitamizing the elections, we should all be thanking
them for their patrotism and bravery. Let me remind you that there is
evidence that Jammeh's people tried before unsuccessfully to kidnap
lawyer Darboe. If the kidnapping was successful, I wonder where
lawyer Darboe will be today? Does the names Koro Ceesay and Captain
Hydara ring any bells?
Peace and Love
Ndey K. Drammeh
Loyola University
Chicago, Illinois
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:22:59 + 0100 MET
From: "ALPHA ROBINSON" <GAROB1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu, GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re:Swiss bank scandal
Message-ID: <23D3A145F1D@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
I think it is evident that the reaction or rather "non-reaction" of
the Jammehs alone is a clear indication that the Swiss bank Scandal is
not Untrue. The Jammeh we have come to know who is very quick at
burrying people six feet deep would have hardly kept quite in the
face of such gross accusations. There are still many unanswered
question though and we should perhaps try to go a step further by
proving what is actually true.
There are rumours that the case is actually not quite over yet.
According to information, court rulings are generally available to the
public upon request in Switzerland. I have been asking myself "what
can we contribute to clarify things?". Instead of lamenting,
commenting and speculating (please don't take it personally!)
why don't we try to contribute something.
Did anyone think of trying to get in touch with friends or
organisations in Switzerland who may help us get to the source?
Did anyone think of contacting the lawyer of the Phillipine
government who is helping to get the Marcus millions back. He may be
able to give us useful tips as to how one may go about finding out(as
far as I am informed he lives in America).
Did anyone think of contacting Ebou Jallow (who knows, he may be
willing to speak the truth now)?
A final curious question is:
were you really surprised to hear that Jammeh who feels so insecured
to the extent that his escort includes "rocket launchers" keeps
a few millions somewhere just in case another "soldier with a
difference" may take a walk into the beloved state house?
much respect,
Alpha.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:39:48 -0600 (CST)
From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
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Alpha, your posting this morning is a clear testimony that you do not belong
to the naivete group of Gambians I described in my posting a couple of days
ago. I agree with you intoto....that the Swiss Bank issue be taken a step
further.
Gambia-L, any suggestions for a course of action ?
MUSA B.
VANDERBILT.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:33:04 -0500
From: TSaidy1050@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
Message-ID: <961120123304_1385319314@emout12.mail.aol.com>
Gambia-l
It has been a while, I was in Rome for The World Food Summit which ended
Monday, November 18, and also to consult with President Jammeh(who was on
transit to Taiwan). I came back last night and found a lot of interesting
post, especially on the Ebou Jallow case.
I want Musa Kebba Jawara and the list to know that I am not "strangely
silent". I was away on official duties and did not have access to my E-mails.
I will be reading most of the postings to night and I will give my comments
and also the official line.
Toni, I will double check the E-mail addresses of Banky Njie and Bai-Mass
Taal.
Sal, I will respond to your enquiry on the value of the Dalasi.
I am glad to see Alpha Robinson’s contribution; welcome aboard.
Peace
Tombong Saidy
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 11:32:56 -0600
From: Francis Njie <francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Republic of Gambia VS. Ebou Jallow
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I certainly will be looking to verify the validity of the texts we have seen
thus far... and if they are in fact authentic, I would like to know if the
AFPRC appealed the ruling within the 10-day period specified in the original
document.
Assuming authenticity however, Mr. Jallow's statement deserved a laugh as far
as accounting for the US$23M in question. The fact would stand that Mr. Jallow
has US$3M in an account with Credit Lyonnais (Switzerland) and US$20M at
CitiBank (Switzerland and New York), all in his name. I hardly think these
personal accounts would be for the Gambia's benefit, whether or not the request
to open them originated from State House...
- Francis
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:34:37 GMT0BST
From: "BEYAI" <P.L.Beyai@newcastle.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
Message-ID: <219E4A75FC3@TOWN9.ncl.ac.uk>
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:39:48 -0600 (CST)
> Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
> From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
> Alpha, your posting this morning is a clear testimony that you do not belong
> to the naivete group of Gambians I described in my posting a couple of days
> ago. I agree with you intoto....that the Swiss Bank issue be taken a step
> further.
>
> Gambia-L, any suggestions for a course of action ?
>
> MUSA B.
> VANDERBILT.
>
Fellow members,,
Who are the members of the "naivete group of Gambians"? I have been following
discussions in this net but I must admit that some of the postings
we forward do not actually fit an intellectual environment. Remember, as Africans, a lot of
words normally accepted in the West may not be back home and so we should be
careful in the way we address each other.
The purpose of this " bantaba", I think is to discuss issues in a frank and open manner
and not to attack personalities. Comments like " naivety, you would
be foolish to..." etc should be relegated to the lowest level
possible. We are all Gambians and I am sure each of us is
interested in the progress of our beloved country.
However, we should at the same time maintain mutual
respect and understanding amongst us. I feel there are better
ways of encouraging people to take part in a discussion than labelling them as
being naive.
Thank you for your understanding.
Cordially,
PLB
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:21:47 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: UDP conditions -Reply
Message-ID: <30B0C73A.67E2@QATAR.NET.QA>
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Ndey Drammeh wrote:
>
> Gambia L
>
> The UDP members risk thier lives to try to restore peace, justice and
> freedom to the Gambia by contesting in the presidential elections. Rather
> than blame them for legitamizing the elections, we should all be thanking
> them for their patrotism and bravery. Let me remind you that there is
> evidence that Jammeh's people tried before unsuccessfully to kidnap
> lawyer Darboe. If the kidnapping was successful, I wonder where
> lawyer Darboe will be today? Does the names Koro Ceesay and Captain
> Hydara ring any bells?
>
> Peace and Love
>
> Ndey K. Drammeh
> Loyola University
> Chicago, Illinois
Ndey!
Could you please tell us what the EVIDENCE was to suggest that Jammeh's
people unsuccesfully tried to kidnap Mr.Darboe.
Regards Bassss!!
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:24:11 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: UDP conditions
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Amadou Scattred Janneh wrote:
>
> Gambia-l:
>
> What aspect of the political playing field has changed since the UDP decided
> to join the game? Were UDP leaders not aware of the fraudulent nature of the
> political process even before they threw their hats into the presidential
> contest? Is it just now that the UDP realized it may have contributed to
> the regime's efforts to legitimize itself through fraud and intimidation?
>
> Answers, anyone?
>
> Salaam!
> Amadou Scattred-Janneh
Amadou!
Very good questions indeed!!
Regards Bassss!!
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:26:15 -0500
From: Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
To: KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA
Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: UDP conditions -Reply
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961120202615.00679994@mail.shepherd.wvnet.edu>
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At 09:21 PM 11/20/95 +0300, you wrote:
>Ndey Drammeh wrote:
>>
>> Gambia L
>>
>> The UDP members risk thier lives to try to restore peace, justice and
>> freedom to the Gambia by contesting in the presidential elections. Rather
>> than blame them for legitamizing the elections, we should all be thanking
>> them for their patrotism and bravery. Let me remind you that there is
>> evidence that Jammeh's people tried before unsuccessfully to kidnap
>> lawyer Darboe. If the kidnapping was successful, I wonder where
>> lawyer Darboe will be today? Does the names Koro Ceesay and Captain
>> Hydara ring any bells?
>>
>> Peace and Love
>>
>> Ndey K. Drammeh
>> Loyola University
>> Chicago, Illinois
>
>Ndey!
> Could you please tell us what the EVIDENCE was to suggest that Jammeh's
>people unsuccesfully tried to kidnap Mr.Darboe.
>
> Regards Bassss!!
>
Bassssssssssssssssssss,
I am suprised that you were never aware of the fact that Mr. Darboe,
the UDP leader, was detained for three weeks without a charge. When he was
released-unconditionally, there has not been even an unofficial explanation
for his detention.
Also the attempt to kidnap him is public knowledge in the Gambia.
Actually, the news story was carried in the Gambia papers including the
Gambia Daily. A couple of people were arrested and the police still have
possession of Mr. Darboe's torn clothes as evidence to the case. Even
though Yahya Jammeh publicly stated that the authorities will do a thorough
investigation, nothing has been done since then. It has been over a year
and a half now. I am glad to be able to provide the information you
requested. If you have any doubts of the veracity of this information, you
may ask Tombong or call home.
-yama
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:31:16 -0500
From: Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: kolls567@QATAR.NET.QA
Subject: Swiss Bank Scandal
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Bassssssssssss,
Perhaps you missed my posting requesting your comments on the Swiss
Bank Scandal. Unless we read your comments, you may be inviting the
suspicion that you are an AFPRC supporter and less concerned about the
affairs of the state and the concerns of Gambians. Most regular list
members have said something about the scandal. We have yet to hear from you
and Tombong.
-Yama
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:49:19 -0500
From: Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: UDP conditions
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961120204919.00679ab4@mail.shepherd.wvnet.edu>
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At 12:42 PM 11/19/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Gambia-l:
>
>What aspect of the political playing field has changed since the UDP decided
>to join the game? Were UDP leaders not aware of the fraudulent nature of the
>political process even before they threw their hats into the presidential
>contest? Is it just now that the UDP realized it may have contributed to
>the regime's efforts to legitimize itself through fraud and intimidation?
>
>Answers, anyone?
>
>Salaam!
>Amadou Scattred-Janneh
>
Dr. Janneh,
You must have misread my clarification of the UDP's justifications
for setting down conditions to participate in the upcomimg presidential
elections. Please re-read it. I never said or meant to say that the UDP
naively believed that the playing field in the presidential elections was
level. Actually the contrary was the point. The party just thought that
the regime would prove its detractors wrong.
Unfortunately, Musa (Vanderbilt) and Basssssssss saw your question
as another justifiable attack on UDP. The two of them seem to readily jump
on any bandwagon that has any sign of anti-UDP sentiment. I did, however,
believe that your question was not a deliberate attack on the UDP. I just
thought you misunderstood or misread the posting.
-Yama
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:49:00 GMT+1
From: "Famara A. Sanyang" <famaraas@amadeus.cmi.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: UDP conditions
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Brothers & Sisters,
I am one of those who strongly advocated for the opposition's
participation in the elections. I don't think the "boycott group"
should in anyway use the UDP's participation in the elections against
them. As most of the members of the net know I am not a UDP
supporter, but I think rather than blaming them for participating in
the General Assembly elections, we should support their conditions
for the Presidential elections to get our young "democracy" nearer the
"ideal" most of the members of this Bantaba share.
I think we should also try to look at the alternatives of a total
election boycott. Would that remove Jammeh? I think it is better to
"forge" ahead with a "pseudodemocracy" which could be developed
further, rather than waiting for the "perfect democracy" which I
guess is still ideal. "Democracy", some called it "DERIMOCRACY"
(DERIMO is a giant rat) had also too many flaws. Some of the
conditions demanded by the UDP were existing under the PPP.
Those blaming the UDP for participating can you tell us how
a total boycott will benefit the average voter? We are sitting in
our comfortable homes in "babylon" and advocating things which
are first felt by those at home. When things get tougher
we (in babylon) at least have the possibility to help our relatives,
but remember not everyone in The Gambia have that possibility. Let
us work together to develop the little we have.
Shalom,
Famara.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:12:55 GMT+1
From: "Famara A. Sanyang" <famaraas@amadeus.cmi.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Swiss Bank Scandal
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Brothers & Sisters,
I have been following the discussion on the Swiss Bank Scandal with
interest. I referred to it in one of my postings as RUMOURS. This is
because, as a principle, I believe in giving "the accused" the chance
to explain before I make my judgement, I guess am not alone in this
boat. Francis Njie, asked a very important question which some
members tried to "belittle", and that is the origin of the document?
Since we now have Tombong back, things will soon be clear, and I
hope President Jammeh will clear the air as soon as possible.
Credibility is very important for any progressive leadership, the
silence is not making things better for the APRC. Some of us who
believed in these "soldiers with a difference" are getting more and
more disturbed
Now to "Prophet" Musa B. Jawara. As far as am concern, these rumours
are just things which happen to fall into your so called predictions
that corruption will be more rampant in the second republic. Was
this what you were referring to when you made that statement? Please
elaborate. Peolple have been blamming Tombong for not answering, but
you have been ignoring this question too long, and you "YOU TOLD US
SO" What did you tell us?
Shalom,
Famara.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:19:57 -0600
From: Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <s29367fd.087@wpo.it.luc.edu>
Hi fellow Gambians:
My name is Ndey Kumba Drammeh. I live in Chicago, Illinois, where I am
pursuing an MBA in Finance from Loyola University. I received my
undergraduate degree in Economics from Roosevelt University, also in
Chicago. I am a Certified Public Accountant as well.
Since joining the group, I have greatly enjoyed the lively discussions that
take place. The exchanges have been very interesting and informative.
To all who contribute to the group, thank you for your inputs.
I would like to thank Yama Darboe for answering the question Bass
addressed to me. Good job, Yama!
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:43:46 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <199611210637.PAA07962@mlsv.iuj.ac.jp>
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Welcome on board, Ndey. As a matter of fact we share the same
surname, have similar undergraduate degrees and we are pursuing the
same discipline(MBA). Wow, what a coincidence! Your
contributions to Gambia-l are most sought.
Your `brother'-in Cyberspace,
Lamin Drammeh.
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:51:20 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Swiss Bank Scandal
Message-ID: <19961121085332.AAA15230@LOCALNAME>
> Bassssssssssss,
> Perhaps you missed my posting requesting your comments on the Swiss
> Bank Scandal. Unless we read your comments, you may be inviting the
> suspicion that you are an AFPRC supporter and less concerned about the
> affairs of the state and the concerns of Gambians. Most regular list
> members have said something about the scandal. We have yet to hear from you
> and Tombong.
>
> -Yama
>
Dear Yama,
You cannot force someone to comment on an issue and even accuse the person of
being "less concerned about the affairs of the state and concerns of
Gambians". What an accusation!
Peace
Momodou Camara
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:32:53 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: UDP conditions
Message-ID: <30B1B8E4.2630@QATAR.NET.QA>
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Yama Darboe wrote:
>
> At 12:42 PM 11/19/96 -0500, you wrote:
> >Gambia-l:
> >
> >What aspect of the political playing field has changed since the UDP decided
> >to join the game? Were UDP leaders not aware of the fraudulent nature of the
> >political process even before they threw their hats into the presidential
> >contest? Is it just now that the UDP realized it may have contributed to
> >the regime's efforts to legitimize itself through fraud and intimidation?
> >
> >Answers, anyone?
> >
> >Salaam!
> >Amadou Scattred-Janneh
> >
>
> Dr. Janneh,
> You must have misread my clarification of the UDP's justifications
> for setting down conditions to participate in the upcomimg presidential
> elections. Please re-read it. I never said or meant to say that the UDP
> naively believed that the playing field in the presidential elections was
> level. Actually the contrary was the point. The party just thought that
> the regime would prove its detractors wrong.
>
> Unfortunately, Musa (Vanderbilt) and Basssssssss saw your question
> as another justifiable attack on UDP. The two of them seem to readily jump
> on any bandwagon that has any sign of anti-UDP sentiment. I did, however,
> believe that your question was not a deliberate attack on the UDP. I just
> thought you misunderstood or misread the posting.
> -Yama
Yama!!
I don't need to jump on anybody's bandwagon.I am perfectly capable of
constructing my own wagons and send them crushing into the UDP tent if
that is what I want.
Regards Bassss!!
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:40:21 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <30B1BAA5.3E75@QATAR.NET.QA>
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Ndey Drammeh wrote:
>
> Hi fellow Gambians:
>
> My name is Ndey Kumba Drammeh. I live in Chicago, Illinois, where I am
> pursuing an MBA in Finance from Loyola University. I received my
> undergraduate degree in Economics from Roosevelt University, also in
> Chicago. I am a Certified Public Accountant as well.
>
> Since joining the group, I have greatly enjoyed the lively discussions that
> take place. The exchanges have been very interesting and informative.
> To all who contribute to the group, thank you for your inputs.
>
> I would like to thank Yama Darboe for answering the question Bass
> addressed to me. Good job, Yama!
Ndey&Yama!!
Are you two people the two sides of the same Gambian Dalasi or what?!
Regards Bassss!!!
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:45:44 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Swiss Bank Scandal
Message-ID: <30B1BBE8.11EB@QATAR.NET.QA>
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Camara, Momodou wrote:
>
> > Bassssssssssss,
> > Perhaps you missed my posting requesting your comments on the Swiss
> > Bank Scandal. Unless we read your comments, you may be inviting the
> > suspicion that you are an AFPRC supporter and less concerned about the
> > affairs of the state and the concerns of Gambians. Most regular list
> > members have said something about the scandal. We have yet to hear from you
> > and Tombong.
> >
> > -Yama
> >
> Dear Yama,
> You cannot force someone to comment on an issue and even accuse the person of
> being "less concerned about the affairs of the state and concerns of
> Gambians". What an accusation!
>
> Peace
> Momodou Camara
Modou!!
Thanks very much.And keep up the good work down there!!!
Regards Bassss!!!
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:41:14 +0100
From: Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: klumpp@kar.dec.com
Subject: A pleasure ...
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Hi,
actually, there is plenty of corruption, theft, an armed attack,
manipulations, accusations, rumours, fear and other not very enjoyable
things happening in The Gambia.
Much respect for all those who keep things going, who are indefatigably
working on many different levels for the progress of the people, the
country and democracy in The Gambia.
It's therefore a pleasure to send you the attached file. It's htm-format
and hopefully readable for all of you.
Regards,
Andrea
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<H1 ALIGN=3DCENTER>CONCERN</H1>
<P><B>CONCERN</B> is a monthly magazine on Tourism. It is published by
the <I>Gambia Tourism Concern</I>, an organisation which has the aim to
ensure that the benefits of tourism is given a chain effect so that many
people who are excluded today may become beneficiaries.</P>
<P>The approach of <I>Tourism Concern</I> is participatory, it wants to
involve as many people as possible in the industry so that both, the shor=
t
term interest and the long term protection of the environment of holiday
areas and socio economic gains of the inhabitants may be assured. To do
this, the magazine is to serve as a forum to educate and inform all secto=
rs
that are involved in tourism about the positive and negative impacts the
industry can have on people and their environment.</P>
<P>Over the years the question of =93Bumsters=94 or beach boys who follow=
tourists
have been of prime concern to all those involved in the industry. What
can be done to understand their situation and evolve a scheme to involve
them in some gainful enterprise is also the concern of <I>Gambia Tourism
Concern</I>. The magazine <B>CONCERN</B> shall be designed to address the=
concerns of such young people land give some them gainful employment: The=
proceeds from the magazine will be divided into three parts. One part sha=
ll
go to the vendors, the other part shall be retained by the organisation
and the other part shall be the contribution towards the cost of the maga=
zine.</P>
<P>The cost of production is very high. <I>Tourism Concern</I> is therefo=
re
hoping that it shall receive the support of all those involved in the ind=
ustry
by advertising with it.</P>
<P>For a start, <B>CONCERN</B> shall be a monthly magazine and shall grad=
ually
be transformed into a weekly. </P>
<P>The magazine <B>CONCERN</B> shall be dealing with all issures of inter=
est
and shall endeavour to promote local initiatives. </P>
<P>We hope to launch the magazine in November 96. </P>
<P>Our co-ordinator or representative shall be meeting different people
and heads of organisations/companies to give details of our plans and see=
k
for advice. Your <B>SUPPORT</B> and <B>CONCERN</B> to this venture is app=
reciated.</P>
<P>Adama Bah, Co-ordinator Gambia Tourism Concern</P>
<P>
<HR WIDTH=3D"100%"></P>
<P>Co-ordinator <I>Gambia Tourism Concern</I>, Adama Bah Interview (in
parts) from =93tourism=94, 2/Third Quarter 1996, UK</P>
<H1 ALIGN=3DCENTER>ON OUR OWN TERMS </H1>
<H3 ALIGN=3DCENTER>The Gambia offers sun, sand and sea unlimited. But the=
re=92s
more to it than that. Adama Bah, founder member of Tourism Concern in The=
Gambia, explains what a more sustainable tourist industry could bring the=
Gambian people - and tourists too.</H3>
<B></B>
<P><B>Q: What are some of the effects of tourism in The Gambia?</B> </P>
<P><B>A.B:</B> Tourism as a formal sector came to The Gambia through a
Swedish investor who came and found The Gambia ideal for tuorism and deci=
ded
to start a business here. Initially there was no drive from the governmen=
t
to create economic development out of tourism. In 1971 a study was carrie=
d
out by the United Nations to find out, how the industry could best be dev=
eloped
to suit visitors comming to The Gambia. But the study did not look at how=
the industry could satisfy the basic needs and aspirations of the Gambian=
people; it was more directed at satisfying investors, so it came up with
a one-sided vision geared only towards the sun, the beach and the friendl=
y
temperament of the people. Following that model has had a lot of negative=
effects. Of course you cannot say that prostitution, druc addiction and
all that was brought in by tourism, but it has certainly escalated and
right now we have a lot of young people who have no employment, no other
ways of survival but to look to the tourists. A culture is developing whi=
ch
is not rally very healthy to the development of young people. That is the=
cultural impact of tourism, where young people are reduced to beggars.
To hassling tourists.</P>
<P><B>Q: At he sme time, can tourism offer a country economic benefits?</=
B>
</P>
<P><B>A.B.: </B>The economic effects of tourism are temendous; a lot of
resources are generated through the develpment of tourism. The point is:
what proportion of those resources stays in the country for the benefit
of the people, and how much does the government use for the development
of the people of that country? In the case of The Gambia, much more is
siphoned off outside the country than stays behind: if you take into acco=
unt
the links between tourism and other areas of the economy it could be as
much as 80 per cent that leaks overseas. I believe tourism must be planne=
d
in such a way that whatever resources are gained must go to help develop
the country=92s other economic sectors like agriculture and industry, so
that in the long run the country becomes self-reliant. That is the whole
idea of ecotourism and sustainable tourism: to see how local people invol=
ved
in the tourist industry can benefit without the destruction of their cult=
ure
or environment. Some tourists who come to The Gambia are not just interes=
ted
in the wine bar and the beach: they are also interested in going inland,
in learning something, in having an exchange. This helps local people bec=
ause
they can build guest houses and small tourist resorts, provide the food
from their own gardens, and manage the whole thing themselves. The other
advantage is that it is environmentally friendly. </P>
<P><B>Q: What lend you to set up Tourism Concern?</B> </P>
<P><B>A.B:</B> Tourism Concern was originally initiated by group of manag=
ers
in the major hotels who thought that something needed to be done after
the British government=92s travel advice in November 1994 that tourists s=
hould
regard The Gambia as an unsafe destination. The advice was devasting for
hotel employees. We didn=92t feel that we could just throw up our hands a=
nd
look on at the situation: we lobbied the Gambian government on behalf of
the hotel employees who had lost their jobs, and met the British High Com=
missioner
to exxpress our dissatisfaction at the travel advice. Eventually the advi=
ce
was changed, but by then the tourist industry had suffered terribly. It
was disastrous.</P>
<P><B>Q: Reports suggested 60 per cent of those working in the tourist
industry were put out of work because of the travel advice.</B> </P>
<P><B>A.B.: </B>I think it could have been even more than that. And in
The Gambia you=92re thinking not only of The people who are directly empl=
oyed,
but the families that depend on their earnings. If 10.000 people (that=92=
s
the estimate) are made unemployed then your=92re thinking in terms of 50.=
0
00 people losing their source of livelihood.</P>
<P><B>Q: What are Tourism Concern=92s (words not readable)?</B> </P>
<P><B>A.B.: </B>There are a lot of misconceptions about tourism in our
country. Sometimes the information tourists get from travel agents may
not be the real, accurate information, so we feel one of the roles of Tou=
rism
Concern is to educate tourists coming to The Gambia. Also, we wish to see=
if there is a role in contributing to policy, in advising the government,=
which will enable us to prevent future problems in the industry.</P>
<P><B>Q.: What sort of misconceptions do you face from Western tourists?<=
/B>
</P>
<P><B>A.B.: </B>There are a lot of misconceptions about how Gambians live=
=2E
People just think: =91Oh, they=92re Africans=92 but Africa means differen=
t countries,
many different cultures. So if you=92ve been to Kenya it does not necessa=
rily
mean you understand what is happening in the Gambia. People need to know
that.</P>
<P><B>Q.: What message would you send to British tourists coming to The
Gambia?</B> </P>
<P><B>A.B.:</B> Learn more about the country and take a critical approach=
:
don=92t just accept lock, stock and barrel everything the government an t=
he
press say. Also take into consideration that your are going to be with
another people: they need to appreciate who you are and what you are. I
think if these lessons are learnt by tourists we will see better people
to people relations and an understanding based on cooperation, not one
person seeing themselves as superior and another inferior.</P>
<P><B>Adama Bah is a founder member of Tourism Concern in The Gambia, and=
personnel manager of one of the main Gambian hotels.</B></P>
<H3>
<HR WIDTH=3D"100%"></H3>
<H3>SEE FOR YOURSELF </H3>
<H3>Deegoo is an association of local tourism businesses in The Gambia
that seeks to enable its members to benefit more from their participation=
in the tourist industry. Afrikan Heritage is organising a trip to The Gam=
bia
in the first week of November to join Deegoo in celebrating its first ann=
iversary.
The trip will highlight the activities of Deegoo members with excursions
to rural community projects to participate in development at work. Call
Afrikan Heritage now on 0171-328 4376 for more information, or write to
them at 608 Rowley Way, London NWS 0SJ</H3>
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:21:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: UDP conditions
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Yama:
You are right! I have no reason to attack the UDP for its decision to join
the race. I simply question their judgment in that case. I reserve my
arsenals for Jawara and Jammeh!
Peace!
Amadou
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:42:01 -0800
From: Yama Darboe <mdarbo01@shepherd.wvnet.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: The Dangers of Ignorance
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Since the emotions about the presidential campaigns have somewhat
simmered down, maybe some background information about Mr. Ousainou Darboe,
the leader of the UDP may help clear some misunderstandings about him.
He has been called a tribalist and this label has even given rise to
a new concept-"Ethnic Politicking". I am not sure of the meaning of this
concept, but I believe it has something to do with appealing for votes along
ethnic lines. In Mr. Darboe's case, this would mean appealing for Mandinka
votes (since he is a Mandinka) by rousing feelings against other Gambian
ethnic groups, particularly the Jolas (since Yahya Jammeh is a Jola).
Considering the percentage of the Mandinka eligible voters, a simple
arithmetic clearly reveals the flaw in this strategy. But that is not the
purpose of this piece.
It is true that Mr. Darboe is a "full blooded" Mandinka (if such an
identity exists) by the broadest definition of ethnicity. However, he has
two wives neither of whom is Mandinka. One is Wolof and the other is Jola.
Yes, Mr. Darboe's other in-laws are Jola. His children speak both Wolof and
Mandinka fluently. His own step-mothers include a Fulani, Wolof and
Mandinka. His father spoke fluent mandinka, Fula, Sarahule and Wolof.
Mr. Darboe attended St. Augustine's High School from form one to
form five. During this period, he was raised, with his brother Dr.Momodou
Darboe, by the late Mr. P.S.Njie, the leader of the United Party. Based on
his last name, P.S. Njie is a Wolof. What was not however obvious to the
very general public, but to members of the family including the Darboe's,
is that Mr. Njie's maternal background is Jola.
Those of you familiar with the Gambian political history, will
recall that one of the most prominent members of the United Party, which was
labeled a Wolof party, was the late Mr. Numukunda Darboe, Ousainou Darboe's
father. Actually, he was the most prominent Mandinka member of the United
party. Infact, PPP leadership's efforts to woo Mr. Darboe to cross carpet
to the Peoples' Progressive Party (a so called Mandinka party) was widely
known. Mr. Numukunda Darboe died a loyal member of the United Party-the so
called Wolof party. Before his death, loyalty was prominent among the many
values he imparted to his children. Unless Mr. Numukunda Darboe failed in
socializing his children properly, Ousainou Darboe does not and cannot fit
the profile of a tribalist. It would, however, be unreasonable to expect
Mr. Yankouba Touray, who is first generation Gambian and a relatively recent
immigrant, to know these facts about the leader of the United Democratic Party.
I hope the facts stated here will convince Mr. Touray and some
members of this list, who accuse Mr. Darboe of being a tribalist, to
reexamine their opinion of him. Mr. Darboe's professional history would
further help clear these misunderstandings about him. That will be next
time. I'll be on Thanksgiving break all of next week, I hope everyone has a
great weekend. I'll return December 2nd.
-Yama
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:50:03 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: A pleasure ...
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Andrea,
Thanks for the information. The tourist industry worldwide is highly
vulnerable to exogenous shocks and can be wiped out within weeks. It
is one not much amenable to domestic manipulation. No wonder the
Brits used it so effectively against the Gambia. This forthcoming
magazine has noble intentions and it deserves our utmost support. But
we must remind ourselves that as far as the Gambia is concerned,
tourism has failed to produce the necessary forward and backward
linkages we craved for. Policy formulation on the industry was at
best simplistic. However, in June 1995 or thereabout, discussion on
setting up a national tourism policy started. I am sure the document
is in place by now. At that discussion, the issue of `Bumpsters' took
centre stage. I hope the issue is treated with care and concern.
One way of addressing this is what is suggested by Mr. Bah.
Lamin Drammeh.
PS: By saying tourism is not amenable to much domestic manipulation I
mean it is easy for tourists to stay away, go elsewhere, and there is
little we can do about it. I read that Kenya benefitted greatly from
the negative travel advice on the Gambia.
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:08:28 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The Dangers of Ignorance
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Yama,
Thanks for enlightening we the "ignorant"--at least those who are
believed to be ignorant about Lawyer Darbo. Nonetheless, our ignorance
about him has long since been replaced with awareness. Your posting,
though informative, has hardly added to our knowledge because all what
you have said were said on this List before. Gambia-l has a very
tolerant culture; one that we stand to defend. In so doing, however,
we must realise that our future lies in our understanding of the other
side. Being at polar ends of the political spectrum is indeed a
blessing, and for once the Machiavellian principle of the end justifying
the means catches some meaning. We need to disagree to agree. The
List encourages the discussion of any topic under the sun provided
some degree of modicum is allowed to prevail but it is not the
political front of any political party. Members discuss issues as it
suits them...an inalienable right!! But for us to see the light and
create a new path for our nation, we need to be open-minded and honest
in our discussions. Giving praise where it is due becomes necessary
for praise is the other side of criticism. They are on the same coin.
Regards to all. Enjoy your Thanksgiving break!
Lamin.
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:43:32 -0600
From: ndarboe@olemiss.edu
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: DV-98 LOTTERY ISSUE
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From: gsiskind@visalaw.com
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:50:14 -0600
Subject: SISKIND'S IMMIGRATION BULLETIN - DV-98 LOTTERY ISSUE
To: visalaw@listserv.telalink.net
SISKIND'S IMMIGRATION BULLETIN
Special DV-98 Lottery Edition
Published by Siskind, Susser, Haas & Chang, Attorneys at Law, 149 Belle
Forest Circle, Nashville, Tennessee 37221, United States of America,
telephone: 800-748-3819 or 615-662-8620, facsimile: 615/646-1858, email:
gsiskind@visalaw.com, WWW home page: http://www.visalaw.com/.
To subscribe to Siskind's Immigration Bulletin, send an email message to
visalaw-request@listserv.telalink.net with the message "subscribe [your
email address]". To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe [your
address]" to the same address. You can also subscribe and unsubscribe from
our web page. Mailing list maintained by Telalink (http://www.telalink.net).
Disclaimer: This newsletter is not intended to establish an attorney
client relationship. Any reliance on information contained herein is taken
at your own risk.
___________________________________________________________________________
NOTE: On November 18, 1996, the Department of State released information on
the next green card lottery. In this special issue, we address the most
common questions and answers people will have about the lottery. If you
would like to see a sample application and envelope, we invite you to visit
our web site at http://www.visalaw.com. SSHC will also again provide an
online registration form at our web site to enable our firm to enter
applicants but we emphasize that most people can successfully enter
themselves in the lottery if they pay close attention to the instructions
outlined below and at our web site.
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT DV-98
This discussion is intended to address most of the major questions many of
you have asked us about the DV-98 Lottery. The discussion includes sample
forms to guide you in completing your own application.
What is the "Green Card" Lottery?
The U.S. Congress has authorized the allotment of 55,000 immigrant visas in
the DV-98 category during Fiscal Year 1998 (which runs from October 1, 1997
to September 30, 1998). Foreign nationals who are natives of countries
determined by the I.N.S. (according to a mathematical formula based upon
population totals and totals of specified immigrant admissions for a 5-year
period) are eligible to apply. The application period will begin at noon
Eastern Time on Monday, February 3, 1997, and will end at noon on March 5,
1997.
Nationals of which countries are excluded?
China-mainland China and Taiwan (nationals of Hong Kong are included)
India
Philippines
Vietnam
South Korea
United Kingdom (natives of Northern Ireland and Hong Kong are
eligible, but natives of Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Caymen
Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibralter, Montserrat, Pitcairn, St. Helena, and
the Turks and Caicos
Islands are not eligible)
Poland
Canada
Mexico
Jamaica
El Salvador
Columbia, and
The Dominican Republic.
How are visas allotted?
The DV-98 program apportions visa issuance among six geographic regions
(Africa, Asia, Europe, North America (other than Mexico), Oceania, and
South America (including Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean). The
world is divided up into
high and low admission regions and each of the six regions is divided into
high and low admission states. A greater portion of the visas go to the low
admission regions than to high admissions regions. High admission states
are entirely excluded from the lottery (those states are listed above) and
low admission states compete equally with other low admission states in the
same region. No single state may receive more than 7% (3,850) of the 55,000
allotted visas. The allotment for this year is as follows:
Africa: 21,179
Asia: 7,280
Europe: 23,213
North America: 8 (only the Bahamas is included)
South America: 2,476
Oceania: 844
Who is eligible to apply for the lottery?
To receive a DV-98 visa, an individual must be a native of a low admission
foreign state (described above). The individual must have at least a high
school education or its equivalent, or, within the preceding five years,
two years work experience in an occupation requiring at least two years
training or experience.
What does it mean to have a "high school education or its equivalent?"
"High School education or its equivalent" means the successful completion
of a twelve year course of elementary and secondary education in the U.S.
or successful completion in another county of a formal course of elementary
and secondary education comparable to complete a 12 year education in the
U.S. or successful completion in another country of a formal cause of
elementary and secondary education comparable to completion of a 12 year
education in the U.S. Passage of a high school equivalency examination is
not sufficient. It is permissible to have completed one's education in less
than 12 years or
greater than 12 years if the course of study completed is equivalent to a
U.S. high school education. Documentary proof of education (including a
diploma or school transcript) should NOT be submitted with the application,
but must be presented to the consular office at the time of formally
applying for an immigrant visa application.
What does it mean to have "two years work experience in an occupation
requiring at least two years training or experience?"
The determination of which occupations require at least two years of
training or experience shall be based upon the Department of Labor's
Dictionary of Occupational Titles. If the occupation is not listed in the
DOT, the Department of State will consider alternate evidence. Please Email
or write me if you need to check the DOT (this will probably not be
necessary for the vast majority of you since most of you have high school
degrees or the equivalent. As with proof of education, documentary proof of
work experience should not be submitted with the application, but must be
presented to the consular office at the time of a formal immigrant visa
application.
Can I be a "native" of a country other than the country in which I was born?
A native is both someone born within one of qualifying countries and
someone entitled to the "charged" to such country under Section 202(b) of
the Immigration and Nationality Act. Thus someone may be (1) charged to the
country of birth of his/her spouse; (2) a minor dependent child can be
charged to the country of birth of a parent; and (3) an applicant born in a
country of which neither parent was a native may be charged to the country
of birth of either parent. If one claims to be a native of a country other
than where one was born, he/she must include a statement to that effect on
the lottery application and must show the country of chargeability on the
application envelope (see discussion of the application form and envelope).
Will applying for the lottery affect one's ability to receive a
nonimmigrant visa?
Probably not. Technically, filing a visa lottery application is equivalent
to filing an immigrant petition. According to source at the Department of
State, a consulate will only be notified IF the person is selected in the
lottery. An individual who is not chosen is
on his honor to state that he/she applied for the lottery. Theoretically,
if your name is selected in the lottery, you may have trouble renewing
nonimmigrant status while waiting for your name to be cleared for
processing (see discussion on the postselection process for securing a
green card). This should only be a temporary problem since permanent
residency should eventually be awarded. There is still a risk that you will
fail to be deemed eligible for the DV-98 visa or the Department of State
will have overestimated the number of individuals to select in the lottery
(see discussion on how the selection process works). However, of all the
lawyers with whom I have spoken, none have ever reported a problem with a
client having entered the lottery. We have instructed our clients to answer
the question on the OF 156 concerning previous immigrant visa applications
as follows: "My lawyer entered me in the DV-98 lottery." We have never had
a problem reported. We have yet to hear of anyone denied a visa because of
a previous lottery application.
Do I need to be in lawful visa status to compete?
An individual who is in the U.S. need NOT be in lawful status to compete in
the lottery. However, the Department of State has indicated that it will
share information with the Immigration and Naturalization Service for the
"formulation, amendment, administration and enforcement" of the country's
immigration laws.
Does it matter whether I am or am not in the U.S.?
Individuals who otherwise meet the requirements for competition in the
lottery, may compete whether they are in the United States or in a foreign
country.
Are there any limitations on the number of entries I can send in for the
lottery?
Each individual is limited to one application in the lottery. If more than
one application is received, the individual will be totally disqualified.
Note: Hundreds of thousands of applications are rejected every year due to
multiple applications.
May a husband and wife each submit a separate application?
Yes. If otherwise qualified, a husband and a wife may each submit one
lottery application. If either is selected in the lottery, the other would
be entitled to derivative status.
If I win, can I get green cards for my family?
Your spouse and unmarried children under the age of 21 are automatically
entitled to the same status as you.
Is there a minimum age to apply for the lottery?
There is not a minimum age to apply for the lottery. However, the
education/work experience requirements will effectively preclude most
people under 18 from applying.
May I adjust status in the U.S. if I am selected?
An applicant may adjust status (switch to permanent residency in the U.S.)
if they meet the normal requirements for adjusting status with the INS
(including not having previously been out of visa status). Applicants who
adjust must first send the forms
they receive from the National Visa Center back to the National Visa
Center. In order to apply for adjustment of status, the INS must be able to
complete action on the case before September 30, 1998.
How does the selection process work?
The National Visa Center in New Hampshire will receive all applications.
Upon receipt, the NVC will place the letter into one of six geographic
regions and assign the letter an individual number. Within each region, the
first letter randomly selected will be the first person registered, the
second letter selected will be the second person registered, etc. When a
case is registered, the applicant will immediately be sent a notification
letter which will give visa application instructions.
About 100,000 persons, both principal applicants and their spouses and
children, will be registered. Since it is probable that some of the first
55,000 persons registered will not apply for a DV-98 visa, this figure is
assumed to eventually be reduced to about 55,000. However, there is a risk
that some applicants will be left out. According to the Department of
State, all applicants will be informed promptly of their place on the list.
Each month visas will be issued, according to registration lottery rank
order, to those ready for visa issuance for that month. Once 55,000 visas
are issued, the program ends. Registrants for this year's lottery will have
to have their visa in hand by September 30, 1997 at the latest. You must be
prepared to act promptly if your name is selected.
How will I know if I was not selected?
The State Department will not notify applicants who are not selected. The
only way you will know that you are not selected is if you have not
received a registration notification letter before the date the INS
officially states that it has stopped notifying people (expected to be done
within three months of March 5, 1997).
Is there an application fee to enter the lottery?
No. There is no government application fee for submitting a lottery
application. If you win the lottery, you will pay a special DV-98 case
processing fee later. Winners will also have to pay regular visa fees at
the time of visa issuance. Certain law firms and immigration consultants
offer application services and the fees for such services may vary. IT IS
NOT NECESSARY TO USE SUCH A SERVICE.
Can someone selected in the lottery receive a waiver of any of the grounds
of visa ineligibility?
No. There is no special provision for the waiver of any grounds of visa
ineligibility other than those provided for in the Immigration and
Nationality Act. Also, holders of J 1 visas with a two year home residency
requirement will not be able to receive a waiver of this requirement by
virtue of being selected in the lottery. A holder of a J visa can still
enter the lottery, but he/she will have to qualify for a residency waiver
in the same manner as is normally required to get such a waiver. Because
all visas must be issued by the end of September 1998, individuals who have
not yet begun their home residency are effectively
precluded (unless they are able to get a waiver of the home residency
requirement quickly).
May someone apply for a DV-98 visa if they are already registered in
another visa category?
Yes.
In what region is my native country assigned?
(1) Africa
Algeria
Angola
Benin
Botswana
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cameroon
Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Comoros
Congo
Cote d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast)
Djibouti
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Gambia, The
Ghana
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Kenya
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Madagascar
Malawi
Mali
Mauritania
Mauritius
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Niger
Nigeria
Rwanda
Sao Tome and Principe
Senegal
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Somalia
South Africa
Sudan
Swaziland
Tanzania
Togo
Tunisia
Uganda
Zaire
Zambia
Zimbabwe
(2) Asia
Afghanistan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Brunei
Burma
Cambodia
China-mainland (not eligible for DV-98)
China-Taiwan (not eligible for DV-98)
Hong Kong
India (not eligible for DV-98)
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Japan
Jordan
Korea, North
Korea, South (not eligible for DV-98)
Kuwait
Laos
Lebanon
Malaysia
Maldives
Mongolia
Nepal
Oman
Pakistan
Philippines (not eligible for DV-98)
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Sri Lanka
Syria
Thailand
United Arab Emirates
Vietnam (not eligible for DV-98)
Yemen
(3) Europe
Albania
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina (including components)
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France (including components and dependent areas overseas)
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands (including components and dependent areas overseas)
Northern Ireland
Norway
Poland (not eligible for DV-98)
Portugal (including components and dependent areas overseas)
Romania
Russia
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Turkey
Ukraine
United Kingdom (not eligible for DV-98; NOTE: natives of Northern
Ireland and Hong Kong are eligible, but natives of Anguilla, Bermuda,
British Virgin Islands, Caymen Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibralter,
Montserrat, Pitcairn, St. Helena, and the Turks and Caicos Islands are not
eligible)
Uzbekistan
Vatican City (an independent city under the jurisdiction of the Holy
See)
(4) North America
Bahamas, The
Canada (not eligible for DV-98)
United States
(5) Oceania
Australia
Fiji
Kiribati
Marshall Islands
Micronesia, Federated States of
Nauru
New Zealand
Palau
Papua New Guinea
Solomon Islands
Tonga
Tuvalu
Vanuatu
Western Samoa
(6) South America, Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Barbados
Belize
Bolivia
Brazil
Chile
Colombia (not eligible for DV-98)
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominica
Dominican Republic (not eligible for DV-98)
Ecuador
El Salvador (not eligible for DV-98)
Grenada
Grenadines
Guatemala
Guyana
Haiti
Honduras
Jamaica (not eligible for DV-98)
Mexico (not eligible for DV-98)
Nicaragua
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Suriname
Trinidad and Tobago
Uruguay
Venezuela
How do I apply for the lottery?
There is no form for the DV-98 lottery. All that is required is that the
proper information is typed or clearly printed in the Roman alphabet on a
plain sheet of paper, the application is signed by the applicant, a proper
photograph is included and the application is sent in a properly addressed
envelope via regular mail.
Each application must contain the following information and documents:
1. APPLICANT'S FULL NAME
Last Name, First Name and Middle Name
(Underline Last Name/Surname/Family Name)
Example: Doe, John James [remember to underline
last name]
2. APPLICANT'S DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH
Date of Birth: Day, Month, Year
Example: 15 November 1961
Place of Birth: City/Town, District/County,
Province, Country
Example: Munich, Bavaria, Germany,
3. NAME, DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH OF APPLICANT'S SPOUSE AND CHILDREN
[Note: Do not list parents as they are not entitled to
derivative status.]
4. APPLICANT'S MAILING ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER (if possible) AND NEAREST
CONSULATE
Be sure the address is complete since this is where notification will be
sent if the application is selected. A telephone number is optional. Also
list location of U.S. Consular office closest to current residence or last
residence prior to entering U.S.
5. APPLICANT'S NATIVE COUNTRY IF DIFFERENT FROM COUNTRY OF BIRTH
6. The Applicant's signature is required on the application
(preferably the bottom). This is a new requirement.
7. A recent 1 1/2 inch by 1 1/2 inch (or 37 mm by 37 mm) photograph of
the applicant. The applicant's name must be printed across the back of the
photograph. This is also a new requirement. Be sure to tape the photo to
the application form using a clear tape. Do not staple or paper clip the
photo.
The application should be placed in an envelope which is between 6 inches
and 10 inches (15 cm to 25 cm) in length and between 3 inches and 4 inches
(9 cm to 11 cm) in width.
In the upper left hand corner of the front of the envelope must be the
country of which the applicant is a native. Typed or clearly printed below
the country must be the same name and mailing address of the applicant as
are shown on the application form.
Example:
New Zealand
James John Doe
1111 Main Street
Nashville, Tennessee 37204
Where do I send the application?
Applications must be sent by regular mail (not by hand delivery, telegram,
or any means requiring acknowledgment such as registered mail or express
mail) to one of the six following addresses, depending upon the region of
the applicant's native country.
Note carefully the importance of using the correct postal zip code for each
region:
ASIA: DV-98 Program, National Visa Center, Portsmouth, NH 00210, U.S.A.
SOUTH AMERICA: DV-98 Program, National Visa Center, Portsmouth, NH 00211,
U.S.A.
EUROPE: DV-98 Program, National Visa Center, Portsmouth, NH 00212, U.S.A.
AFRICA: DV-98 Program, National Visa Center, Portsmouth, NH 00213, U.S.A.
OCEANIA: DV-98 Program, National Visa Center, Portsmouth, NH 00214, U.S.A.
NORTH AMERICA: DV-98 Program, National Visa Center, Portsmouth, NH 00215,
U.S.A.
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:52:29 -0500 (EST)
From: ahmed tijan deen <tijan@wam.umd.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961121143144.8359B-100000@rac3.wam.umd.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu wrote:
> Alpha, your posting this morning is a clear testimony that you do not belong
> to the naivete group of Gambians I described in my posting a couple of days
> ago. I agree with you intoto....that the Swiss Bank issue be taken a step
> further.
>
> Gambia-L, any suggestions for a course of action ?
>
> MUSA B.
> VANDERBILT.
>
Musa and Alpha,both of you guys should apologize to the group for calling
us naive. We are not naive we are just trying to get the facts about the
Jammeh/jallow scandals and the only way we can do this is to weight
the
information that's been presented.Secondly I agree with the fact that we
should try and contact the people who are involve in this case to get
their side of the story but do you think someone whose being acuse of a
crime will tell the truth to the acusser I don't think so but since their
is a court case going on Ithink we should be looking forward for an
interesting ending..
Peace
Ahmed Tijan Deen.
UNIV.of.Maryland.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:52:25 GMT+1
From: "Famara A. Sanyang" <famaraas@amadeus.cmi.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: A pleasure ...
Message-ID: <3042C844DE9@amadeus.cmi.no>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Andrea,
Thank you very much for sending us this information. It was
very interesting.
Since tourism is now on the "agenda". I would like to seize the
opportunity to ask our Swedish friend who was once a hotel manager
in The Gambia (or any other person), to confirm, the statement that
"the hotels import almost all their supplies, even those available in
the local market". If the the answer is yes, WHY?
I will wait for an answer before I elaborate.
Shalom,
Famara.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:03:24 -0500 (EST)
From: ahmed tijan deen <tijan@wam.umd.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: UDP conditions -Reply
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961121145349.8359C-100000@rac3.wam.umd.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Ndey Drammeh wrote:
> Gambia L
>
> The UDP members risk thier lives to try to restore peace, justice and
> freedom to the Gambia by contesting in the presidential elections. Rather
> than blame them for legitamizing the elections, we should all be thanking
> them for their patrotism and bravery. Let me remind you that there is
> evidence that Jammeh's people tried before unsuccessfully to kidnap
> lawyer Darboe. If the kidnapping was successful, I wonder where
> lawyer Darboe will be today? Does the names Koro Ceesay and Captain
> Hydara ring any bells?
>
>
> Peace and Love
>
> Ndey K. Drammeh
> Loyola University
> Chicago, Illinois
>
>
>Ndey How are you doing hope O.K.I just want to know what you meant by UDP
risk their life to restore peace in the gambia.You should remember no one
is risking their lifes because it an election and other parties were
involved too, so please the only risk is that we are unfortunate that
Jammeh is the President.
Peace
Ahmed Tijan Deen.
Ps Welcome aboard.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:37:02 -0600
From: njie.1@osu.edu (N'Deye Marie Njie)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu, iastate.edu@pop.service.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Jobs/grants/internships!!!!(fwd)
Message-ID: <v02130503aeba890fe132@[128.146.141.79]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:15:27 -0500
>Reply-To: qketteri@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>Sender: owner-esgpnews@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
>From: qketteri@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>To: esgpnews@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
>Subject: ESGP-Newsletter (55)
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>
>
>
>4) Jobs/Internships
>
> a) Jobs: four technician (II) positions at the University of Georgia
> Marine Institute: 1) Microbial Ecology; 2) Plant Photosynthesis; 3)
> Invertebrate Ecology; 4) Chemistry/Toxicology
>
>5) Grants/Fellowships
>
> a) Call for Preproposals: Great Lakes Protection Fund.
> b) EPA's Great Lakes National Program Office announces availability of
> it FY97 Great Lakes Priorities and Funding Guidance
>==============================================================================
>4) Jobs/Internships
>
>a) Jobs: four technician (II) positions at the University of Georgia
>Marine Institute: 1) Microbial Ecology; 2) Plant Photosynthesis; 3)
>Invertebrate Ecology; 4) Chemistry/Toxicology
>
>A message received via Dr. Jeffrey M. Reutter:
>
>The University of Georgia Marine Institute has immediate openings for four
>to work on a federally-funded research project investigating the sublethal
>responses of several indigenous marsh species to environmental stress. The
>project is funded from October 1996 to September 1999. Specific areas
>required are:
>
>MICROBIAL ECOLOGY: Duties include collecting samples in impacted and
>unimpacted marshes; processing of the samples including reflux extractions
>of sterol, liquid chromotography, direct microscopy of fungal reproductive
>sturctures, measurement of CO2 release; and data recording and reduction,
>including statistical processing via an SPSS computer statistical package.
>Mycological or microbiological training and experience in
>field-microbiological research desirable. Contact: Dr. Steven Y. Newell.
>
>PLANT PHOTOSYNTHESIS: Duties include measuring photosynthetic rates of
>salt marsh plants in the field using an infrared gas analyzer (IRGA);
>counting and measuring plant stems, data reduction and analyses.
>Considerable experience in operating an IRGA is strongly desired. Contact:
>Dr. Steve C. Pennings.
>
>INVERTEBRATE ECOLOGY: Duties include assisting in a project to evaluate
>variation in reproductive potential within a suite of salt marsh
>crustaceans. Applicants should possess organizational skills necessary to
>coordinate the collection and processing of semimonthly field samples from
>multiple locations, be willing to supervise temporary helpers, and be free
>to travel overnight when required. Experience in the collection and
>identification of salt marsh invertebrates is desirable. Contact: Dr.
>Ronald Kneib.
>
>CHEMISTRY/TOXICOLOGY: Duties include conducting laboratory and field
>experiments of the impacts of natural organic matter and perturbants on
>the sensitivity of the standard MicrotoxR assay. Applicants should have a
>strong background in chemistry, analytical techniques, and QA/QC
>protocols. Experience in conducting MicrotoxR assays required. Contact:
>Dr. James J. Alberts.
>
>All applicants should have at least a bachelor's degree in an appropriate
>scientific discipline. Post-baccalaureate experience and training are
>desirable. Successful candidates will be required to reside on Sapelo
>Island in University of Georgia housing. Interested candidates should
>send a CV, and the names, addresses and phone numbers of 3 references to
>the contact person listed above at: The University of Georgia, Marine
>Institute, Sapelo Island, GA 31327. Applications will be considered until
>the positions are filled. The University of Georgia is an equal
>opportunity/affirmative action employer. Message by: James J. Alberts,
>Director, University of Georgia Marine Institute, Sapelo Island, GA 31327.
>jalberts@uga.cc.uca.edu, + 912 485 2221 voice, + 912 485 2213 fax.
>==============================================================================
>5) Grants/Fellowships
>
>a) Call for Preproposals: Great Lakes Protection Fund.
>
>Message received via Dr. Jeffrey M. Reutter:
>
>The Great Lakes Protection Fund announces the first general call for
>preproposals of 1997. Preproposals for this call must be received in the
>Fund's office by 5:00 p.m. Central Time, January 6, 1997. There are no
>exceptions to this deadline. Preproposals submitted via facsimile machines
>will not be accepted.
>
>Eligibility: Non-profit organizations (including universities,
>environmental groups, and trade associations), government agencies,
>private individuals, and proprietary entities are eligible for Fund
>support. Individuals and private, for-profit enterprises must demonstrate
>that the proposed work has clear public benefit and that any related
>financial benefits will accrue to the public good. Government agencies
>must show that Fund support is not being used to replace previously
>available government funds. Successful applicants must maintain open
>access to project data, records, and financial information.
>
>Preproposal Application and Evaluation Process. The two-page preproposal
>is the first step in the Fund's proposal review process. Upon favorable
>evaluation of the preproposal, a full project proposal is invited and peer
>reviewed by a group of technical experts. The decision to invite full
>proposals is made by a committee of the Fund's Board of Directors. The
>fate of each full proposal is decided by the Fund's Board of Directors.
>
>Preproposals are evaluated against the Fund's mission. Successful projects
>will have a tangible environmental outcome and, by their basin-wide
>nature, require significant collaboration among the region's private,
>public, and independent sectors. To be considered, preproposals must
>address at least one of the Fund's three areas of interest and must be
>consistent with the Fund's funding principles (see enclosed Priorities &
>Guidelines brochure for mission statement and areas of interest). The Fund
>regrets that preproposals from Indiana will not be accepted.
>
>GREAT LAKES PROTECTION FUND PRIORITIES AND GUIDELINES FOR FUNDING
>
>Mission and Areas of Interest: The Great Lakes Protection Fund's mission
>is to identify, demonstrate, and promote regional action to enhance the
>health of the Great Lakes ecosystem. To accomplish its mission, the Fund
>seeks projects which address the interdependence of natural ecosystems and
>human economic systems. The Fund invests in efforts to promote the
>resiliency, productivity, diversity, and sustainability of these systems.
>The Fund supports projects in three related areas of interest: 1)
>Pollution Prevention; 2) Natural Resources; 3) Health Effects.
>
>Pollution Prevention: Virtual elimination of the use and discharge of
>toxic substances is essential to the long-term health of the Great Lakes
>ecosystem. Project may focus on specific economic sectors, toxic
>substances, or particularly polluted areas such as those designated as
>Areas of Concern by the International Joint Commission. The Fund supports
>efforts which: - Reduce or eliminate adverse environmental impacts caused
>by businesses, households, municipalities, and/or farms through technical
>assistance, collaboration, negotiation, and/or community action. -
>Demonstrate and promote new production strategies involving chemical
>substitution, product reformulation, production process changes, equipment
>change, and/or maintenance and housekeeping modifications.
>
>Natural Resources: The health of the Great Lakes ecosystem is affected by
>numerous stresses. Collaborative strategies are essential to address the
>sources of these stresses. Strategies must have basin-wide benefit or
>application. The Fund invests in projects to: - Develop and test new
>strategies to protect and improve the health of critical ecological
>communities and processes in the Basin. - Demonstrate and promote economic
>activity that increases the health and productivity of the ecosystem. -
>Prevent the introduction of non-indigenous species. - Restore impaired
>biological function at the species, community, and system scale.
>
>Health Effects: Although many issues require additional research, much
>useful information is available about the health effects of toxic
>pollution. The Fund encourages the use of existing information in
>action-oriented strategies. Accordingly, the Fund support
> .... mail sending aborted by user ....
>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:12:34 -0600
From: Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu>
To: KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA, gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction -Reply
Message-ID: <s294a9c3.025@wpo.it.luc.edu>
Bass wrote on 11/21/96:
Ndey&Yama!!
Are you two people the two sides of the same
Gambian Dalasi or what?!
Regards
Bassss!!!
Bass:
No need for labeling Yama and myself. You
should be enlightened enough to not label a
people you do not know. After all, you do not
know much about me. You should direct your
energy to something constructive not pettiness
and personal attacks.
Happy Thanksgiving to all members!
Kumbis
Ndey Kumba Drammeh
Loyola University
Chicago, Illinois
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:09:17 -0500
From: CDac@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Mailing list
Message-ID: <961122000917_1816446943@emout01.mail.aol.com>
Could you please take me off your mailing list as I am no longer interested
in receiving forwarded mail. There are far too many messages, most of which
do not make much sense to me, and most of which I don't read anyway. Please
delete both my E-mail addresses from your list, i.e cdac@aol.com, and
chrisdacosta@mem.po.com.
No hard feelings,
Regards
C. da Costa
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:14:13 + 0100 MET
From: "ALPHA ROBINSON" <GAROB1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
To: ahmed tijan deen <tijan@wam.umd.edu>, gambia-l@u.washington.edu,
GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
Message-ID: <26D153C2C9B@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
Please read peoples' mails before accusing them. As far as I know I
did not call anyone naive, and I therefore see no point in
apologising for that. If you think that I should apologise for making
the suggestions in my mail then I am very very sorry for sharing
my thoughts with you. I plead guilty for trying to be objective and
for thinking ahead.
respect,
Alpha.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:37:24 + 0100 MET
From: "ALPHA ROBINSON" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
Message-ID: <26E785D390A@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable
> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:52:29 -0500 (EST)
> Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
> From: ahmed tijan deen <tijan@wam.umd.edu>
> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gam=
bia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
> X-To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.wa=
shington.edu>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu wrote:
>
> > Alpha, your posting this morning is a clear testimony that you do not =
belong
> > to the naivete group of Gambians I described in my posting a couple of=
days
> > ago. I agree with you intoto....that the Swiss Bank issue be taken a s=
tep
> > further.
> >
> > Gambia-L, any suggestions for a course of action ?
> >
> > MUSA B.
> > VANDERBILT.
> >
> Musa and Alpha,both of you guys should apologize to the group for callin=
g
> us naive. We are not naive we are just trying to get the facts about the
> Jammeh/jallow scandals and the only way we can do this is to weight
> the
> information that's been presented.Secondly I agree with the fact that =
we
> should try and contact the people who are involve in this case to get
> their side of the story but do you think someone whose being acuse of a
> crime will tell the truth to the acusser I don't think so but since thei=
r
> is a court case going on Ithink we should be looking forward for an
> interesting ending..
>
>
> Peace
> Ahmed Tijan Deen.
> UNIV.of.Maryland.
>
Ahmed Tijan Deen,
Please read people=B4s mails before accusing them. As far as I know I
did not call anyone naive, and I therefore see no point in
apologising for that. If you think that I should apologise for making
the suggestions in my mail then I am very very sorry for sharing my
thoughts with you. I plead guilty for trying to be objective and for
thinking ahead.
respect,
Alpha.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:58:59 -0500
From: TSaidy1050@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
Message-ID: <961122085857_1716648936@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Gambia-l,
Contrary to many believes, the Government has actually issued a statement
pertaining to the Ebou Jallow affair. The statement was published by The
Gambia Daily on Friday November 15, 1996. The press release from the
Ministry of Justice is posted below for your perusal and reactions.
According to the statement, "the President rebutted in a sworn affidavit a
statement by the manager of the Credit Lyonnais in Geneva, that he was
implicated." The Government’s lawyers in Switzerland have confirmed that
there is in fact a Swiss court ruling in its favour. The Government has
therefore made representation for the release of the stolen funds to the
Central Bank of The Gambia. "In an attempt on behalf of Captain Ebou Jallow
to justify ownership of the said account, the manager of the Credit Lyonnais
tried to implicate President Jammeh in his allegation on the issue of the
US$1.7 million. One has to bear in mind that the manager of the said bank is
an interested party in this case, since the reputation of the bank is at
stake. There is however evidence on record that His Excellency Yahya Jammeh
had rebutted the evidence of the manager by sending a sworn affidavit in
reply to our lawyer in Geneva which was transmitted to the tribunal. It is
also on record that our former Attorney General and Minister of Justice went
to give evidence in rebuttal."
Some of us were quick to jump in to conclusions before even reading the
Government’s version. I know some of us, no matter what explanation the
Government gives, they will crucify President Jammeh. I am sure history will
judge all of us fairly.
Peace
Tombong
PRESS RELEASE
14TH NOVEMBER, 1996
THERE HAS BEEN A RECENT PUBLICATION IN THE DAILY OBSERVER DATED TUESDAY 5TH
NOVEMBER 1996 IN WHICH IT WAS ALLEGED THAT THE GOVERNMENT FAILED TO MENTION A
SUM OF D247 MILLION SUSPECTED DEAL WHEN IT PUBLISHED ITS REACTION TO CAPTAIN
EBOU JALLOW`S EXPLANATION OF THE US$3 MILLION AFFAIRS. THE GOVERNMENT OF THE
GAMBIA (GOTG) STRONGLY DENIES THE VERACITY OF THIS ALLEGATION.
SHORTLY AFTER IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW HAS ABSCONDED, THE
GTOG ON THE 12 OF OCTOBER 1995 REFERRED THE MATTER TO THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES
IN GENEVA STATING THAT CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW, EX-SPOKESMAN OF AFPRC, STOLE $3
MILLION FROM THE GOVERNMENT`S SPECIAL ACCOUNT AT THE CENTRAL BANK OF THE
GAMBIA. CONSEQUENTLY, THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES APPLIED FOR AN ORDER TO ATTACH
THE ACCOUNTS HELD BY CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW AT THE CREDIT LYONNAIN (SWITZERLAND)
LTD IN GENEVA. THE SAID ORDER WAS GRANTED ON 17TH OCTOBER 1995 BY THE
EXAMINING MAGISTRATE WHO PRESIDED OVER THE SAID PROCEEDINGS.
A FURTHER APPLICATION WAS MADE BY GTOG ON THE 16TH OCTOBER 1995 FOR THE
CONFISCATION OF ALL ASSETS DEPOSITED IN THE NAME OF CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW OR OF
WHICH CAPTIAN JALLOW IS A BENEFICIARY AT THE CREDIT LYONNAIS (SWITZERLAND)
LTD IN GENEVA. AN ORDER IN RESPECT OF THE SAID APPLICATION WAS GRANTED BY
THE OFFICE OF LEGAL PROCEEDINGS ON THE 18TH OCTOBER 1995.
SUBSEQUENTLY, A FORMAL COMPLAINT FOR BREACH OF TRUST TO WIT THEFT WAS LODGED
BEFORE THE STATE PROSECUTOR OF GENEVA BY GOTG. THE COMPLAINT INCLUDED A
REQUEST FOR THE CONFISCATION OF ACCOUNT NO. 49275.1 AT THE SAID BANK OF WHICH
MR. JALLOW WAS THE HOLDER. IT WAS WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE SAID
PROCEEDINGS THAT THE DEPUTY PUBLIC PROSECUTOR ON THE 17TH NOVEMBER 1995,
ORDERED BY REGISTERED MAIL, THE ATTACHMENT OF THE $3 MILLION HELD IN THE
ACCOUNTS OF WHICH CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW IS THE HOLDER OR ENTITLED THERETO AND
ALSO THE ATTACHMENT OF THE ACCOUNT NO. 49275.1.
ON THE ISSUE OF THE $20 MILLION, THE GOVERNMENT OF THE GAMBIA PURPORTEDLY
LODGED A SUPPLEMENTARY COMPLAINT FOR THE AMOUNT AGAINST CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW.
THE SAID COMPLAINT WAS ACCOMPANIED WITH A REQUEST FOR SEQUESTRATION OF
ACCOUNTS OF WHICH CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW IS THE HOLDER OR ENTITLED THERETO BOTH
AT THE CITIBANK (SWITZERLAND) AND CITIBANK N.A., NEW YORK, GENEVA BRANCH.
THE SAID $20 MILLION WHICH WAS ALLEGEDLY PAID INTO CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW`S
ACCOUNT AND REPORTED AS HAVING EARLIER BEEN TRANSFERRED FROM THE CENTRAL BANK
OF THE GAMBIA IS WRONG. IN FACT, THE $20 MILLION ISSUE, RAISED BY THE
GAMBIAN CHARGE D`AFFAIRS IN GENEVA WAS BASED ON SUSPICION WHICH RESULTED IN
THE LODGEMENT OF THE SUPPLEMENTARY COMPLAINT AFORESAID. THIS LED TO THOROUGH
SEARCHES MADE IN BOTH GAMBIAN BANKS AND BANKS IN GENEVA TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER
THIS SUM WAS EMBEZZLED BY CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW. THE SEARCHES PROVED NEGATIVE,
AND AS SUCH THE ISSUE WAS DROPPED DURING THE COURSE OF THE PROCEEDINGS IN
GENEVA.
A RULING WAS MADE ON THE 7TH OCTOBER 1996 LIFTING THE ATTACHMENT ON CAPTAIN
EBOU JALLOW`S ASSETS. THIS IS IN FAVOUR OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE GAMBIA AS
THE FUNDS WOULD THEN BE RETURNED TO GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO ITS APPLICATION
FOR THE SAID RESTITUTION ORDER DATED 14TH AUGUST 1996 AFORESAID.
CAPTAIN JALLOW HAS APPEALED AGAINST THE DECISION OF THE INVESTIGATING JUDGE
TO RELEASE THE FUNDS TO THE GOTG. LEAVE HAS BEEN OBTAINED FOR THE
APPLICATION TO BE HEARD.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT BY A LETTER DATED 6TH NOVEMBER 1996 ADDRESSED TO THE
ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL AND MINISTER OF JUSTICE OUR LAWYERS IN GENEVA HAVE
FURTHER CONFIRMED THAT THERE IS A RULING IN FAVOUR OF GOTG LIFTING THE
ATTACHMENT ORDER AND THAT THEY HAVE ACCORDINGLY MADE REPRESENTATION TO THE
CHAMBER D`ACCUSATION AND SURVELLANCE AUTHORITY OF THE BANKRUPTCY OFFICE FOR
THE RELEASE OF THE FUNDS TO THE CENTRAL BANK OF THE GAMBIA. IN FACT IT IS ON
THIS BASIS THAT CAPTAIN EBOU JALLOW AND NOT THE STATE HAS APPEALED.
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL`S CHAMBER
THE MINISTRY OF JUSTICE
BANJUL
THE GAMBIA
Tel: 220-228-450
Fax: 220-225-352
Peace
Tombong Saidy
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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 00:11:12 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
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Tombong,
What was provided to us before was a `copy' of the ruling. To help
us clarify issues and perhaps extricate our leaders, can you request
a copy of the ruling that was in favour of the Gambia Government and
post it on the List for us?
Additionally, would anyone on the List, including Tombong, explain to
us how the Bank's reputation was at stake. Let us recall that some
members reminded us that banks are money managers and not moral
upkeepers.
Lamin.
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:00:16 +0100
From: Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Communication
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>Musa and Alpha,both of you guys should apologize to the group for calling
>us naive. We are not naive we are just trying to get the facts about the
>Jammeh/jallow scandals and the only way we can do this is to weight
>the information that's been presented.
snip
>Ahmed Tijan Deen.
JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu wrote:
>
snip
>
> One thing is going well for Jammeh though, he has power and he knows how to
> apply it on his subjects...a devastating prove of sheer naivete on the part
> of Gambian and members of this list are no exception. With this I mean we don't
> engage national issues such as the Swiss saga and deliberate on them
> effectively.
snip
>
> MUSA BASSADI
> VANDERBILT.
If Musa had to apologize, I think he should apologize to himself, too,
for calling himself naive (... WE don't engage ...)
Then, Musa wrote:
> > Alpha, your posting this morning is a clear testimony that you do not belong
> > to the naivete group of Gambians I described in my posting a couple of days
> > ago. I agree with you intoto....that the Swiss Bank issue be taken a step
> > further.
> >
> > Gambia-L, any suggestions for a course of action ?
> >
> > MUSA B.
> > VANDERBILT.
Here, he referred to a GROUP of naive people. I don't know, who belongs
to the group he means. But obviously somebody felt put inside. And as
Alpha did not even mention the word naivete, I think none of them should
apologize.
I agree with Alpha: please read mails properly.
I would suggest to confirm the own impression (particularly if it is a
negative one) by asking: did I get you right, did you mean this and
that, before judging and accusing. Misunderstandings frequently occur
without the bad-will of any party involved, but they can cause severe
damage. To listen/read properly, to confirm the own impression (or
indicating something like: As I understood ...) and to answer after
thinking a while (to avoid emotional over-reactions) could help to
ensure a peaceful communication.
I heard you got Thanksgiving break. Lucky you, we don't. I hope it'll
not be too silent on the list.
Enjoy it!
Andrea
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:50:43 -0500
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu
Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
Message-ID: <199611221650.LAA24497@oak.ffr.mtu.edu>
After hearing from "both-sides of the issue", I must say that a few things really disturb me.
1) the existence of a special account in the Central Bank of the Gambia. Who set up that account, why was it set up and who had access to it? It appears that perhaps we might not get this far if there was no such account.
2. The Government of the Gambia's referral of the matter to the Swiss Authorities shortly after Ebou jallow's departure. Was the existence of personal foreign accounts by officials a common knowledge (atleast among the AFPRC) for it to be able to act within hours of a member's departure? In other words do they (the AFPRC members know about each other's foreign accounts for them to be able to locate monies so quickly? If so then what do we make of Ebou Jallow's side of the story.
3. Lastly, what happened to our accounting system in the Gambia until we could not accertain the disappearance of 20 million dollars. Do we have to wait for a search in international Banks to know that we have lost 20 MILLION DOLLARS?
Perhaps as one member suggested earlier on. It may be worth a while to pursue the matter further.
Malanding
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:02:10 -0800
From: sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Unsubscribe Chris da Costa
Message-ID: <199611221802.KAA09524@thesky.incog.com>
All,
Chris da Costa has been removed from the list as requested.
Sarian
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:32:49 -0600
From: njie.1@osu.edu (N'Deye Marie Njie)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction -Reply
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Ndey!!!!
Welcome to the group. Your comments/thoughts on gambian related issues
have always been interesting! I hope the group will find them as
interesting. Looking forward to them!!! Peace
N'Deye-Marie
---------------------
>Bass wrote on 11/21/96:
>
>Ndey&Yama!!
>
>
>Are you two people the two sides of the same
>Gambian Dalasi or what?!
>
> Regards
> Bassss!!!
>
>
>Bass:
>
>No need for labeling Yama and myself. You
>should be enlightened enough to not label a
>people you do not know. After all, you do not
>know much about me. You should direct your
>energy to something constructive not pettiness
>and personal attacks.
>
>Happy Thanksgiving to all members!
>
>
>
>Kumbis
>
>
>Ndey Kumba Drammeh
>Loyola University
>Chicago, Illinois
>
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:45:29 -0400 (AST)
From: C_JAGNE@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: new membership...
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List Managers,
Ya Harr Njie is interested in joining the list. Could you kindly add her on:
hfn194@soton.ac.uk
Many thanks,
Cho.
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:25:46 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New Member
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Musa Sohna has been added to the list. We welcome him and will forward to
his introduction and contributions.
Thanks
Tony
========================================================================
Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
=========================================================================
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:45:13 -0500
From: BEESEY@aol.com
To: Gambia-L@u.washington.edu
Subject: new member
Message-ID: <961122234512_605028742@emout11.mail.aol.com>
Hi,
Sarian, could you please add my brother-in-law, Dawada Ceesay to the
list. His e-mail address is dceesay@aol.com
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Date: 23 Nov 1996 10:14:08 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: SIERRA LEONE-POLITICS: Hope for Peace?
Message-ID: <3021668318.113892411@inform-bbs.dk>
Forwarded by Momodou Camara.
---forwarded mail START---
Subject: Fwd: SIERRA LEONE-POLITICS: Hope for Peace?
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Copyright 1996 Inter Press Service.
All rights reserved. Distribution via MISANET.
*** 22-Nov-96 ***
SIERRA LEONE-POLITICS: Hope for Peace?
By Lansana Fofana
FREETOWN, Nov 22 (IPS) - After five years of civil war, peace
could be finally in sight in Sierra Leone, following the d
ecision by rebel leader Foday Sankoh to go on a mission which,
he said, was aimed at ending the fighting in the West Afr
ican country.
On Friday, Sankoh left Abidjan for rebel-held areas in Sierra
Leone via Guinea on board an International Committee of
the Red Cross (ICRC) flight. His mission is to brief his
fighters about his stated intention to call for an end to the
hostilities.
''I believe it is imperative for me to visit my combattants
on the ground and explain to them the need for peace,'' S
ankoh had said Thursday from his residence in Abidjan, where he
has been staying since March, when peace talks began bet
ween his Revoltionary United Front (RUF) and the government of
President Ahmed Tejan Kabbah.
''We believe it is time for peace and national
reconciliation,'' he said. ''We need to put the past behind us
and com
e together to rebuild the country.''
His mission has been seen by some observers here as a sign
that peace might not be that far away, despite the sporadi
c violence that has broken a cease-fire declared by the RUF and
then agreed between the rebels and the government in Mar
ch.
Since October, there have been more than 10 rebel attacks on
hinterland towns and highways. Although the RUF has refu
sed to take responsibility for the cease-fire violations, there
has been evidence of the rebel movement's involvement in
the raids.
The hopes for peace have also been fuelled by the response to
a general amnesty for all rebels and their sympathisers
, declared earlier this month by Tejan Kabbah, who also
announced a plan to integrate ex-combattants into the army and o
ffered unspecified cash rewards to those who gave themselves up.
''We are having encouraging signs as the rebels have been
trooping in from the bush in their hundreds,'' said a senio
r government official. ''This is a clear indication that the
rebels, like the government, are eager for peace.''
Eight months ago, hardly anyone would have thought this
possible. Immediately after polls in March, which saw a civil
ian government replace a military junta, the RUF had rejected
Tejan Kabba's election. It also called for the scrapping o
f the results and the setting up of an interim government. Both
calls were rejected by the new administration.
The RUF had also said that, for there to be peace, all
foreign troops -- Guinean and Nigerian soldiers and mercenarie
s from Executive Outcomes, a South African company -- would have
to be withdrawn from Sierra Leone. This demand was also
rejected.
According to some reports, it costs about 100,000 U.S.
dollars to keep each Executive Outcomes officer in the country
This is money the country can ill afford, according to
University of Sierra Leone political analyst Maligie Brima.
''I wonder how long the government will keep the mercenaries
when our economy is in the doldrums,'' he told IPS.
But Brima feels that the insecurity that led the previous
military government to resort to the mercenaries and troops
from Guinea and Nigeria could continue. He thinks it is too
early for optimism.
''As it stands now, I am a bit sceptical about the RUF's
commitment to peace,'' he said. ''They are elusive and have
always backtracked on their pledges.''
Not everyone shares his scepticism. Another political
analyst, Ken Sesay, believes peace is clearly in sight. ''Recen
t developments have convinced me that the RUF now means
business,'' he told IPS. ''We have seen the surrender of hundred
s of rebel fighters. Corporal Sankoh and President Kabbah have
agreed to meet in Abidjan on Nov. 29 and then sign a form
al cease-fire in December.''
Defections by prominent rebels, including Dr. Abdulai Wai, a
medical doctor who treated RUF casualties, and the fact
that more and more young fighters are tired of living in the
bush are also important factors, according to Sesay.
Most Sierra Leoneans would welcome the end of a war that has
claimed an estimated 10,000 lives, displaced about 1.7 m
illion people out of a total population of 4.5 million and
devastated the country's economy -- annual per capita gross n
ational product has declined from 200 U.S. dollars in 1991 to
around 150 dollars.
The war effort itself has been costly. In addition to paying
the mercenaries and a regular army whose strength is est
imated at between 12,000 and 13,000, the government has also
been maintaining a force of local hunters called Kamajors.
Once peace is achieved, the country will be faced with the
arduous task of reconstruction, for which it has been requ
esting donor assistance, so far with little success.
Still, some here feel the future is not gloomy. Economist
Samuel Conteh is one of them. ''I think there are brilliant
prospects for Sierra Leone if the war comes to an end,'' he
told IPS. ''The private sector is still virgin and investor
s may flock in once they are sure of stability.
(END/IPS/LF/KB/96)
---forwarded mail END---
Momodou Camara.
--- OffRoad 1.9r registered to Momodou Camara
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 14:11:19 +-300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
To: "'GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU'" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: MY COMMENTARY ON THE EBOU JALLOW CASE
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:01:12 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Communication
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Andrea Klumpp wrote:
>
> >Musa and Alpha,both of you guys should apologize to the group for calling
> >us naive. We are not naive we are just trying to get the facts about the
> >Jammeh/jallow scandals and the only way we can do this is to weight
> >the information that's been presented.
> snip
> >Ahmed Tijan Deen.
>
> JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu wrote:
> >
> snip
> >
> > One thing is going well for Jammeh though, he has power and he knows how to
> > apply it on his subjects...a devastating prove of sheer naivete on the part
> > of Gambian and members of this list are no exception. With this I mean we don't
> > engage national issues such as the Swiss saga and deliberate on them
> > effectively.
>
> snip
> >
> > MUSA BASSADI
> > VANDERBILT.
>
> If Musa had to apologize, I think he should apologize to himself, too,
> for calling himself naive (... WE don't engage ...)
>
> Then, Musa wrote:
> > > Alpha, your posting this morning is a clear testimony that you do not belong
> > > to the naivete group of Gambians I described in my posting a couple of days
> > > ago. I agree with you intoto....that the Swiss Bank issue be taken a step
> > > further.
> > >
> > > Gambia-L, any suggestions for a course of action ?
> > >
> > > MUSA B.
> > > VANDERBILT.
>
> Here, he referred to a GROUP of naive people. I don't know, who belongs
> to the group he means. But obviously somebody felt put inside. And as
> Alpha did not even mention the word naivete, I think none of them should
> apologize.
>
> I agree with Alpha: please read mails properly.
>
> I would suggest to confirm the own impression (particularly if it is a
> negative one) by asking: did I get you right, did you mean this and
> that, before judging and accusing. Misunderstandings frequently occur
> without the bad-will of any party involved, but they can cause severe
> damage. To listen/read properly, to confirm the own impression (or
> indicating something like: As I understood ...) and to answer after
> thinking a while (to avoid emotional over-reactions) could help to
> ensure a peaceful communication.
>
> I heard you got Thanksgiving break. Lucky you, we don't. I hope it'll
> not be too silent on the list.
>
> Enjoy it!
>
> Andrea
Andrea!!
Good tips there! thanks for the good work.
Regards Basss!!
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 15:55:19 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: SWISS BANK SCANDAL
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ALPHA ROBINSON wrote:
>
> Please read peoples' mails before accusing them. As far as I know I
> did not call anyone naive, and I therefore see no point in
> apologising for that. If you think that I should apologise for making
> the suggestions in my mail then I am very very sorry for sharing
> my thoughts with you. I plead guilty for trying to be objective and
> for thinking ahead.
>
> respect,
>
> Alpha.
Alpha!!
And even if you do,what is the big deal? All of us must realise
that this is a democratic forum;and for it to bear the fruits it is
supposed to bear,all of us must have a sense of humour and a big
reservoir of game spirit.
Regards Basss!!
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:31:40 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: MY COMMENTARY ON THE EBOU JALLOW CASE
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YAMA!!
Well, just as I am about to sit down and comment on your pet
project,the so called Ebou Jallow Scandal that I have learnt that you
are about to be packing your bags and heading for your Thanksgiving
Holidays.So,I pray that you have a nice and joyful Thanksgiving ,so that
when you return you will be much more relaxed and clear headed as you
read my position on this issue;that is if some other event has not
already pushed it aside and grab from it the centre stage it is now
assuming on the List.'Cause one week is a very long time in the life of
politics,especially the politics of a country that is just emerging from
three decades of stagnation, rot,inertia and decadence,or, in
short,emerging from the political middle ages of its history.
You know, ever since I have decided to write on this issue,there is one
Wollof proverb that keeps on popping into my head,as if insisting that
it has a central role to play in what I have to say on this subject.And
it goes as follows: "Satan Never Tells The Truth,But He Almost Always
Poisons Your mind And Confuses Your Thinking Whenever He Decides To Open
His Big And Fouled Mouth To Say Something."The first name of this
particular Satan is EBOU, and his family name is JALLOW. And what is his
profile? A former Gambian military officer who illegally deserted his
military duties and now on the run in a foreign country; a greedy and a
power hungry thief who has stolen tens of millions of hard earned
dollars from his tired and impoverished countrymen and women;a spy and a
propagandist extraordinaire who used to lead the dangerous double life
of a trusted friend and confidant of our president in addition to being
the official spokesperson of the AFPRC, while at the same time selling
the secrets of the revolution to members of the Ancien Regime,mainly
FaFa Jawara & Saihou Sabally-the founding fathers of thievery in the
Gambia.
Yama,history has taught us that every revolution has its heroes and
villains, and the amount of havoc a particular villain or traitor could
cause to a revolution depends on how higher up he had succeeded in
getting into the upper echelons of power. Now,all of us know what
happened when JUDAS betrayed and gave away the secrets of his friend,
JESUS CHRIST.The frightening thing for those of us who can neither
forget nor overlook Mr. Jammeh's monumental achievements and who want so
badly this revolution to succeed is that Gambia's Judas was closer to
the leader of the Gambian Revolution than JUDAS the Iscariot was to
JESUS. So, innocent or guilty Mr. Jammeh is in a No-Win situation
here,for his reputation would be devastatingly hurt and most especially
on this List.Many of our Gurus here are CJDS so that it cannot matter
whatever Mr. Jammeh will have to say.He is guilty,period. No, CJDS is
not the European desease Creutzfelt Jacobs Desease;this one is worse,it
is a Gambian desease dicovered there immediately after the coup, and it
means Compulsive Jammeh Detractor Syndrome. So, once a Gambian is
infected with it, he develops a mind frame that is, at best, impervious
to anything good that could come from Mr.Jammeh or his adminstration,and
,at worse, sarcastic and dismissive towards it.And anything bad, large
or small, that could come from Mr. Jammeh or his adminstration is more
than ample evidence that the begining of the end of the Jammeh
Revolution has just dawned upon the Gambian people.For these people,the
ARCH is is a senseless wastage of scarce Gambian resources; the tv.
station, the show stopper airport,the university,the countless clinics
and countless high schools in all the regions of the country,the
Jahali-Pacharr Rice Project ,the neat and asphalted roads and streets in
the major cities and towns of the country - all of these things and many
more not mentioned were not undertaken by Mr. Jammeh because he loved
his MotherLand ,but because he wanted to manipulate the Gambian people
into allowing him to civilianize himself.
As a gifted and an eloquent demagogue,the devil called Ebou Jallow must
have learnt by instinct a very important principle in Mass Psychology
while he was working as the official spokesperson of the AFPRC,
namely"Credo Quia Absurdum Est" meaning "I believe because it is
absurd";but let us listen to the psychologist ,Eric Fromm to explain it
further:"If somebody makes a statement which is rationally sound,he does
what, in principle,everyone else can do. If,however, he dares to make a
statement which is rationally absurd,he shows by this very fact that he
has transcended the faculty of comon sense and thus has a magic power
which puts him above the average person."And how absurd can you get when
you allege that the cleaner extraordinaire of the Gambian House who is
indefatigably hunting down the thieves in the Gambia is not only a thief
himself, but a drug dealer and a money launderer.The sheer magical
powers and attraction of this outrageous claims has had such a numbing
effect on the minds of so many members of this List that they don't only
believe that it is true, but they believe that it is so true that
Tombong ran away from the List just to avoid being lynched by the anti-
Jammeh Ku Klux Klan.
So,YAMA, to tell you What I personally think about all this, I want to
say the following.Whereas I would still be very interested to know what
Mr. Jammeh would say in his own defence,I wouldn't want to hear anything
from or about Mr. Jallow,except if he decides to return the 27mn dollars
he has stolen from the Gambian people.To me,he is a traitor ,a spy, a
thief and the enemy of the Gambian people,and I will never allow myself
to be manipulated by his demagoguery.Those of us who are so concerned
about every shilling and every penny illegally taken away from the
Gambian National Purse should start giving a little bit time and space
to the hundreds of millions of dollars FaFa Jawara, Saihou Sabally &
Co.have defrauded our beloved country.Those ,with the likes of Ebou
Jallow, are the scum bags that deserve all the verbal savagery that our
computer keyboards could muster; as for the Jola Boy from Buyam (Mr.
Jammeh),regardless of his human limitations, he is basically a decent
youngman working under very difficult and tense enviroment to translate
the collective dream and vision of the Gambian people into reality and
that includes the dream of even the people who love to hate him and what
he stands for.I cannot recall ever reading or hearing any black African
president,before Mr. Jammeh, promising his people that the only day he
would be able to sleep well in his bed, is the day every little village
in the lenght and bredth of his motherland has electricity,clean water
and adequate medical facilities.This of of course,is a very tall
order.It is not even tall,it is an impossible order given that no
African leader has ever had the courage to promise it, let alone take
the necessary practical steps towards achieving that goal.I am sure Mr.
Jammeh knows that reaching for such a huge and high goal would neither
be easy nor harmless, and that is why I want him to take heart and read
with me what the Greek Philosopher,SPINOZA wrote a very long time ago:
"If the way which,as I have shown,leads hither seems very difficult,it
can nevertheless be found.It must indeed be difficult since it is so
seldom discovered; for if salvation lay ready to hand and could be
discovered without great labour, how could it be possible that it it
should be neglected almost by everybody? But all noble things are as
difficult as they are rare"
Regards Bassss!!
..
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:44:54 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: [Fwd: MY COMMENTARY ON THE EBOU JALLOW CASE]
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:31:40 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
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YAMA!!
Well, just as I am about to sit down and comment on your pet
project,the so called Ebou Jallow Scandal that I have learnt that you
are about to be packing your bags and heading for your Thanksgiving
Holidays.So,I pray that you have a nice and joyful Thanksgiving ,so that
when you return you will be much more relaxed and clear headed as you
read my position on this issue;that is if some other event has not
already pushed it aside and grab from it the centre stage it is now
assuming on the List.'Cause one week is a very long time in the life of
politics,especially the politics of a country that is just emerging from
three decades of stagnation, rot,inertia and decadence,or, in
short,emerging from the political middle ages of its history.
You know, ever since I have decided to write on this issue,there is one
Wollof proverb that keeps on popping into my head,as if insisting that
it has a central role to play in what I have to say on this subject.And
it goes as follows: "Satan Never Tells The Truth,But He Almost Always
Poisons Your mind And Confuses Your Thinking Whenever He Decides To Open
His Big And Fouled Mouth To Say Something."The first name of this
particular Satan is EBOU, and his family name is JALLOW. And what is his
profile? A former Gambian military officer who illegally deserted his
military duties and now on the run in a foreign country; a greedy and a
power hungry thief who has stolen tens of millions of hard earned
dollars from his tired and impoverished countrymen and women;a spy and a
propagandist extraordinaire who used to lead the dangerous double life
of a trusted friend and confidant of our president in addition to being
the official spokesperson of the AFPRC, while at the same time selling
the secrets of the revolution to members of the Ancien Regime,mainly
FaFa Jawara & Saihou Sabally-the founding fathers of thievery in the
Gambia.
Yama,history has taught us that every revolution has its heroes and
villains, and the amount of havoc a particular villain or traitor could
cause to a revolution depends on how higher up he had succeeded in
getting into the upper echelons of power. Now,all of us know what
happened when JUDAS betrayed and gave away the secrets of his friend,
JESUS CHRIST.The frightening thing for those of us who can neither
forget nor overlook Mr. Jammeh's monumental achievements and who want so
badly this revolution to succeed is that Gambia's Judas was closer to
the leader of the Gambian Revolution than JUDAS the Iscariot was to
JESUS. So, innocent or guilty Mr. Jammeh is in a No-Win situation
here,for his reputation would be devastatingly hurt and most especially
on this List.Many of our Gurus here are CJDS so that it cannot matter
whatever Mr. Jammeh will have to say.He is guilty,period. No, CJDS is
not the European desease Creutzfelt Jacobs Desease;this one is worse,it
is a Gambian desease dicovered there immediately after the coup, and it
means Compulsive Jammeh Detractor Syndrome. So, once a Gambian is
infected with it, he develops a mind frame that is, at best, impervious
to anything good that could come from Mr.Jammeh or his adminstration,and
,at worse, sarcastic and dismissive towards it.And anything bad, large
or small, that could come from Mr. Jammeh or his adminstration is more
than ample evidence that the begining of the end of the Jammeh
Revolution has just dawned upon the Gambian people.For these people,the
ARCH is is a senseless wastage of scarce Gambian resources; the tv.
station, the show stopper airport,the university,the countless clinics
and countless high schools in all the regions of the country,the
Jahali-Pacharr Rice Project ,the neat and asphalted roads and streets in
the major cities and towns of the country - all of these things and many
more not mentioned were not undertaken by Mr. Jammeh because he loved
his MotherLand ,but because he wanted to manipulate the Gambian people
into allowing him to civilianize himself.
As a gifted and an eloquent demagogue,the devil called Ebou Jallow must
have learnt by instinct a very important principle in Mass Psychology
while he was working as the official spokesperson of the AFPRC,
namely"Credo Quia Absurdum Est" meaning "I believe because it is
absurd";but let us listen to the psychologist ,Eric Fromm to explain it
further:"If somebody makes a statement which is rationally sound,he does
what, in principle,everyone else can do. If,however, he dares to make a
statement which is rationally absurd,he shows by this very fact that he
has transcended the faculty of comon sense and thus has a magic power
which puts him above the average person."And how absurd can you get when
you allege that the cleaner extraordinaire of the Gambian House who is
indefatigably hunting down the thieves in the Gambia is not only a thief
himself, but a drug dealer and a money launderer.The sheer magical
powers and attraction of this outrageous claims has had such a numbing
effect on the minds of so many members of this List that they don't only
believe that it is true, but they believe that it is so true that
Tombong ran away from the List just to avoid being lynched by the anti-
Jammeh Ku Klux Klan.
So,YAMA, to tell you What I personally think about all this, I want to
say the following.Whereas I would still be very interested to know what
Mr. Jammeh would say in his own defence,I wouldn't want to hear anything
from or about Mr. Jallow,except if he decides to return the 27mn dollars
he has stolen from the Gambian people.To me,he is a traitor ,a spy, a
thief and the enemy of the Gambian people,and I will never allow myself
to be manipulated by his demagoguery.Those of us who are so concerned
about every shilling and every penny illegally taken away from the
Gambian National Purse should start giving a little bit time and space
to the hundreds of millions of dollars FaFa Jawara, Saihou Sabally &
Co.have defrauded our beloved country.Those ,with the likes of Ebou
Jallow, are the scum bags that deserve all the verbal savagery that our
computer keyboards could muster; as for the Jola Boy from Buyam (Mr.
Jammeh),regardless of his human limitations, he is basically a decent
youngman working under very difficult and tense enviroment to translate
the collective dream and vision of the Gambian people into reality and
that includes the dream of even the people who love to hate him and what
he stands for.I cannot recall ever reading or hearing any black African
president,before Mr. Jammeh, promising his people that the only day he
would be able to sleep well in his bed, is the day every little village
in the lenght and bredth of his motherland has electricity,clean water
and adequate medical facilities.This of of course,is a very tall
order.It is not even tall,it is an impossible order given that no
African leader has ever had the courage to promise it, let alone take
the necessary practical steps towards achieving that goal.I am sure Mr.
Jammeh knows that reaching for such a huge and high goal would neither
be easy nor harmless, and that is why I want him to take heart and read
with me what the Greek Philosopher,SPINOZA wrote a very long time ago:
"If the way which,as I have shown,leads hither seems very difficult,it
can nevertheless be found.It must indeed be difficult since it is so
seldom discovered; for if salvation lay ready to hand and could be
discovered without great labour, how could it be possible that it it
should be neglected almost by everybody? But all noble things are as
difficult as they are rare"
Regards Bassss!!
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:02:16 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Americans in Senegal warned to be careful (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:31:50 PST
From: Reuters <C-reuters@clari.net>
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Subject: Americans in Senegal warned to be careful
WASHINGTON (Reuter) - Americans in Senegal have been warned
to take security precautions because violence is possible during
Sunday's elections in the west African nation, the State
Department said Friday.
``Due to country-wide and municipal elections scheduled for
Sunday, Nov. 24, the U.S. Embassy in Dakar reminds all American
citizens to take prudent security precautions and to keep their
movements to a minimum.
``It is possible that there could be individual acts of
violence and that political gatherings could become unruly,''
the embassy said in a statement to the approximately 800
Americans in Senegal.
``Americans should avoid, if possible, travel into and out
of Dakar,'' the statement added. All U.S. citizens in Senegal
were encouraged to register with the embassy to obtain updated
information on travel and security.
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Date: 23 Nov 1996 21:38:25 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd(2): SIERRA LEONE-POLITICS: Hope for Peace? //correction//
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Copyright 1996 Inter Press Service.
All rights reserved. Distribution via MISANET.
*** 22-Nov-96 ***
SIERRA LEONE-POLITICS: Hope for Peace? //correction//
//Attention editors, paragraph 11 of the abovementioned story,
moved earlier from Freetown, should read:
According to some reports, it costs about 100,000 U.S.
dollars a month to keep each Executive Outcomes officer in the
country. This is money the country can ill afford, according to
University of Sierra Leone political analyst Maligie Br
ima.//
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:09:57 -0500 (EST)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: MY COMMENTARY ON THE EBOU JALLOW CASE
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Hi folks,
I think Bass's response falls short of answering the serious
questions raised by the Swiss affair namely ; " did Jammeh steal any money
from The Gambian people ?" . Instead, it is an appeal to the emotional
side of us.
To reiterate some of the questions raised by Malanding, how can
The Gambian govt not miss almost 10% of its expenditure ? How did the
government know so much about the accounts opened by Jallow given the
legendary secrecy of Swiss banking ? Why would a bank manager lie and
claim that he opened an account for Jammeh when in fact he has not ? Why
risk the inherently bad publicity ?
If you consider these questions and others, Bass's arguments
appear to be skirting the issues. Also, what does a person's character
have to do with the validity of their reasoning ???? Even a person who
suffers from CJD is likely to tell the truth from time to time albeit the
liar s/he is ! And folks, don't you think that The Gambia would be a
boring place if all everyone did was sing the praises of Our Great Leader
President Colonel (Rte) Alhagi Yaya A.J.J. Jammeh ? I thought the good
old days of 99.99% of a people supporting their government went out
with communism.
I think The Gambia will remain underdeveloped until the day when
we as a people develop a healthy scepticism of our leaders and realise
that the government is nothing but a representative of the people and that
messiahs are but myths from the hazy days of the Medieval Ages.
Thanks and bye for now,
-Abdou.
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A. TOURAY.
at137@columbia.edu
abdou@cs.columbia.edu
abdou@touchscreen.com
(212) 749-7971
MY URL's ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
http://www.psl.cs.columbia.edu/~abdou
A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
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Date: 23 Nov 1996 22:17:08 GMT
From: mmjeng@inform-bbs.dk (Matarr Jeng)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction
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>Hi fellow Gambians:
>
>My name is Ndey Kumba Drammeh. I live in Chicago, Illinois, where I am
>pursuing an MBA in Finance from Loyola University. I received my
>undergraduate degree in Economics from Roosevelt University, also in
>Chicago. I am a Certified Public Accountant as well.
>
>Since joining the group, I have greatly enjoyed the lively discussions that
>take place. The exchanges have been very interesting and informative.
>To all who contribute to the group, thank you for your inputs.
>
>I would like to thank Yama Darboe for answering the question Bass
>addressed to me. Good job, Yama!
>
>
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