Alert, Alert, this is not meant to offend!
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Topic author: kassma
Subject: Alert, Alert, this is not meant to offend!
Posted on: 19 Jul 2006 23:37:52
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I found these two versions of the Koran passage, i first came acrossed it in one of my classes, then i researched it and found that this is actually in the Koran. is this untrue, is it a false translation. to the muslims out there, how do you thing about this?
[4.34] Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surly God is high, supreme.
[4.35] And if you fear a breach between a man and his wife, appoint an arbiter from his people and another from hers. If they wish to be reconciled God will bring them together again. Surely God is all-knowing and wise.
[4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
[4.35] And if you fear a breach between the two, then appoint judge from his people and a judge from her people; if they both desire agreement, Allah will effect harmony between them, surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.
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Reply author: kondorong
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 00:09:33
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WELL WE MIGHT NEED A RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY. I AM NO BODY WHEN IT COMES TO RELIGION.
Reply author: kassma
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 03:11:16
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are you muslim though, cause this shocked me when i saw it. even though i'm not muslim, i have a lot of respect for them cause most of the ones i've known have been very disciplined and good people, and then i saw this in one of my textbooks and was shocked. maybe this is why middle easterners are so harsh towards their women
Reply author: jambo
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 11:37:12
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"As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them" 
Kassma it is not only middle eastern men who do this, happens on every continent. If it is written it is practiced maybe not by all but there are many who will believe it because it is written in the Koran and that is the judement book. I am quite sad that this is included in a holy book.
Reply author: Sister Omega
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 12:47:39
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I think one should use their commonsense there are men who beat their wives all over the world regardless of religion, and there are men who withold sex as a form of punishment in disagreements. In most incidences a reasonable man will not raise his hand to his wife with the exception of self defense. But how many would withold sex from their wives to prove a point, is it more than the wife beater or less? May hope is that it is more.
Peace
Sister Omega
Reply author: serenata
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 13:11:38
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The Holy Coran contains measures for almost every situation in life, and things must have been far worse for women before the Prophet gave his codex. But as times have changed the Coran, inter alia an image of its era, needs to be revised and updated. Otherwise I think sooner or later women will turn away from Islam.
Reply author: jambo
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 16:13:31
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sister omega, men who withhold sex as a punishment may find that their wives will look elsewhere. Still sad 
that this is in a holy book.
Reply author: Rainbow
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 16:25:33
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witholding sex as a form of purnisment
then who is purninshing who?
Reply author: serenata
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 18:11:24
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In a polygamous marriage the husband always has a choice, the wife has none. But maybe these women have secret lovers. 
That would serve the men right.
Reply author: Sister Omega
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 18:19:43
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Jambo there are a lot of things that we don't necessarily practice anymore are in Holy Books. That's why we were given the power of reasoning to decide for ourselves what to do for the best. If we were to follow the line of reasoning further about witholding sex in the Qu'ranic verse quoted. I suppose at the time it was seen as a punishment to the woman because her husband had more than one wife. I take your point Rainbow because whilst the cat's away the mouse will play! But if it's sharia law they better play very quietly.
Alternatively muslim women have always had the right to divorce her husband if he can't satify her.
Peace
Sister Omega
Reply author: jambo
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 18:25:58
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Sister omega, I think my point is this what is disobedience it seems to be about inequality. Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other.
Reply author: Sister Omega
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 18:32:44
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I think the verse was talking about dressing in revealing clothes.
Reply author: serenata
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 18:54:29
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No, it was also about superiority and obedience. And, interesting point, this was connected with material dependence...
For me the Coran is very ambiguous: On one hand the Prophet gives women, who were without any rights before, basic rights. On the other he confirms their mistreatment. I find it very difficult for a modern woman to say yes to such a religion without reservation.
Reply author: Babylon
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 19:14:43
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quote:
Originally posted by serenata
In a polygamous marriage the husband always has a choice, the wife has none. But maybe these women have secret lovers.
secret lovers in the drawer maybe..? Who needs a man anyway when there are rabbits nowadays?!! heheee...
Reply author: jambo
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 19:23:18
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you are so rude, rabbits indeed, your mind is elsewhere
Reply author: serenata
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 19:24:24
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RABBITS???? What do you mean?
Reply author: Babylon
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 19:26:57
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LOL! u guys!
Reply author: serenata
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 19:28:33
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A little bit late, but I think I know what you mean. Tss...tssssss....
But, hey, I am not a guy!! I have everything a woman needs - except for obedience...
Reply author: Babylon
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 19:34:37
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Whatīs obdience? See, I canīt even spell it. Were a bit wild here in sweden I guess.
Reply author: serenata
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 19:42:52
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You are true savages, everybody knows that. Running around with knives between your teeth, wearing the bones of slain enemies as a necklace. You drink beer out of your enemies' skulls. Obedience is a foreign word for you Swedish ladies, it is a fiasco.
Reply author: Babylon
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 19:54:17
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True!
Reply author: serenata
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 20:02:32
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To make things worse, the necklace bones are those of your lovers, the drinking skulls formerly belonged to your husbands. But I fear German ladies are not much better.
Reply author: kassma
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 21:55:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Sister Omega
I think one should use their commonsense there are men who beat their wives all over the world regardless of religion, and there are men who withold sex as a form of punishment in disagreements. In most incidences a reasonable man will not raise his hand to his wife with the exception of self defense. But how many would withold sex from their wives to prove a point, is it more than the wife beater or less? May hope is that it is more.
Alternatively muslim women have always had the right to divorce her husband if he can't satify her.
Peace
Sister Omega
men do beat their wives around the world, but texts like this justify and excuse that kind of behavior. and its not only the Koran, the Bible has some questionable things in their too. although i'm christian, there are some parts of the bible i refuse to acknowledge and believe as the truth.
plus, are you sure a muslim woman can divorce her husband if he can't satisfy her, because these women don't even have the power to deny sex to their husbands let alone that he's no good and she can't stand him.
Reply author: Jack
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 22:51:49
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Dont believe a word of the bible Kassma. It has been written by toubabs. LOL
Reply author: kondorong
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 22:55:41
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there used to be another form of Christianity taught to slaves. the doctrines similar but very different.
Reply author: LEMON TIME
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 23:40:16
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How many times have the Bible been change since Jesus,The Quran never been change.
Reply author: Sister Omega
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 23:42:35
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Islam is the first to give women righs on this earth. it came at a time when men dont just beat their wife but buy them ,sell them ,dispose them ' asign them to their guest to give them sexual satisfaction ,they were just a property of a dad,(who buried their daugters alive because they feel is completely useless to rise someone property) husband or a master.
what does Islam called wife beating? the whip should not be more than a date stick and the man cannot rise his hand, is that wife beating or romantic beating,more importantly muslims follow the practices of
the prophet peace be on him) who never rise his hand towards any
one not even animals.
In Islam women don't have to cook , do laundry or any house work for
their husbands( which men don't like to hear.) If they don't want to and if they do, their is a great reward awaiting.
Islam is the first to give women right to inheritance, divorce etc. most of wat u c today is just from traditions and men jealousy eg a wife is not surpose to work .
Dont mistake me of sister omega am not am a he cal me Ningki. peace.
DO WE HAVE TWO SISTER OMEGAS?
Reply author: Sister Omega
Replied on: 20 Jul 2006 23:56:51
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Kondorong my partner just couldn't resist the topic, and had to come in. But he couldn't register his pseudym independently that's way he posted in under Sister Omega as Ningki.
peace
Sister Omega
Reply author: LEMON TIME
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 00:03:19
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YOUR MAN IS RIGHT SISTER OMEGA.
Reply author: kondorong
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 00:28:21
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I THINK IT IS ONE SISTER OMEGA. LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF POSTINGS THEY ARE THE SAME IN TOTAL. IF THER WERE TWO THE NUMBERS WILL BE DIFFERENT
Reply author: Sister Omega
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 00:47:41
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WONA SISTER OMEGA KOMIN BARODI NYAMATA HAKO YARATAA MONI NJIE HALL PULAR
Reply author: kondorong
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 01:09:24
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HINO MBADON BANDIRABEH. The sister omega who claimed to be of carribean descent seems to be very political now
Reply author: Sister Omega
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 01:29:33
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yes sister omega is african caribbean decent. i am posting under her user name because i cannot register on the bantaba. mowdo famou joni meen ko mbimi wi mi. mbarinke kudehni sister teh te mu mo kuto leti ying
bataba kono
Reply author: kondorong
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 01:42:05
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MI FAMI. JONI, NJOLEN NYAKI
Reply author: kondorong
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 01:42:56
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AAN NON PULAR MA NA FEWI.
Reply author: LEMON TIME
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 03:23:00
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HEH KO HANG,HAK KU NEN ALLAH.
Reply author: kassma
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 04:32:06
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quote:
Originally posted by LEMON TIME
How many times have the Bible been change since Jesus,The Quran never been change.
WHAT'S YOUR POINT??
Reply author: kassma
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 04:43:06
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Yall, this is soo unfair, we cannot have a productive discussion if you guys are writing in another language!!!!!!!!
Reply author: Alhassan
Replied on: 21 Jul 2006 09:51:26
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Originally posted by kassma
Yall, this is soo unfair, we cannot have a productive discussion if you guys are writing in another language!!!!!!!!
Sisters and brothers,
In my opinion, if we start discussing religion here on the forum, we seem to forget that most of us here are not authorities in the Quran or Bible. I find it difficult to discuss because I have Christian and non belivers withn my family. Two of my sons have a Jewish mother. I am a muslim and try to do as much as I can. Whan it comes to the women, I symphatise with them because of the wrong interperations men have been doing. As my Imam tells me, women and men are equal in Islam. When it comes to prayers,education, jobs and prayers we are equal. Women enjoy having exceptions because of their nature. This comes when the woman has her montely periods, underpregnancy and the wife is the only one in the family who can withold her salary to herself and let the husband cater for the whole family. It is the responsibility of the husband to mentain, feed and cloth the family.
I would rather ask a landed person in the quoran for proper interpretation. Sab seems to have a good knoledge in islam. I am just a scholar as we all are.
I hope we men reconsider the interpretations of the holy books.
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